From Women to Kids - AP Indicted on Child Abuse

[CTBasketball]

Whatever that family does is there business. Not mine, not yours, not the governments. If that's how they discipline their kids, then so be it. I don't want to waste taxpayer money to launch an investigation, then waste more money in courts. All to have AP cleared of all charges because he's AP.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Yes, you already made your point that being rich means he can do anything he wants to them.

You act as if AP just beats his sons willy nilly just because he wants to. That's not the case. Get a grip. He said he tells his son what he did wrong, beats him, and explains again why it was wrong. It is a true form of discipline from a caring father doing the things he was taught when being raised.

 

[Leebo]

Crazy people.

 

[EricSD]

So if your 4 year old mauled another child at the park, that's OK to you? He'll learn by just saying, "Stop, we're leaving." Or does he need to be disciplined?

Seriously? As Leebo said, first, the 4 year old mauled no one. Second, the kid was 4 - how much mauling can a 4 year old really do? 3rd, I don't think anyone would argue a smack on the bottom to instantaneously stop really egregious behavior is unwarranted. But you would beat the kid bloody with a stick? Good lord that's insane.

The bottom of the arm (tricep) and ear of a child is very sensitive. If a kid is seriously misbehaving at a park, store, or some other place in public, "grabbing" that part of a child's body to vamoose them from a situation is almost as painful and nothing like the beating or hitting a child over and over and over and over and over. I honestly can't even believe people are actually arguing this point.

The fact that several see nothing wrong with what AP did is disturbing beyond words. Insanity.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Crazy people.

I'm sorry your to closed minded to understand other peoples POV and think your way of raising kids is the only way.

 

[Leebo]

*you're
*too

 

[Gurleyman]

Whatever that family does is there business. Not mine, not yours, not the governments. If that's how they discipline their kids, then so be it. I don't want to waste taxpayer money to launch an investigation, then waste more money in courts. All to have AP cleared of all charges because he's AP.

Why exactly do you think the mom was on board? She's the primary caregiver. He was only visiting "Daddy Peterson" (as he called him to the police). Seems to me that she brought him to the doctor, allowed the authorities into the picture and handed over text messages.

Hopefully, AP loses visitation rights and will stick to just sending checks in his bid for father of the year.

 

[SWHuskyFan]

I'm sorry your to closed minded to understand other peoples POV and think your way of raising kids is the only way.

The one with the closed mind is the one who refuses to give up on the point of view that's been proved horribly wrong by hundreds of studies. Seriously, try reading a little.

 

[tzznandrew]

Those who approve of this on the "it's his child, let him do whatever he wants" ground, where's the line?

Can AP decide to starve his kid as punishment? Who are we to say anything, right?
Can AP lock his kid outside in a snow storm for the night as punishment? If that's how they discipline their kids, then so be it, right?

I can go on making more extreme examples, but the point is that somewhere you would say the state has to step in to protect the child, and once you concede that, you acknowledge that society has some role in the protection of children from their parents.

Perhaps you think a child should be beaten bloody. You're wrong. But you have to justify why it is okay to bloody your child beyond "let parents do whatever they want."

 

[Rocktheworld]

I'm sorry your to closed minded to understand other peoples POV and think your way of raising kids is the only way.

Would you question my POV if I still believed the way to prevent a building from collapsing was to sacrifice children and bury them in the postholes? Or honor killing your child if they were found to be homosexual? Because both (and many more hideous practices towards children) were once common practice. You're sticking to ARCHAIC IGNORANCE of the kind that has lasting negative psychological effects throughout the victim's life. You treat choosing whether or not to beat a child as punishment like choosing whether or not to enroll them in private school. You're also ignoring the now massive evidence coming from psychological science that universally agrees on and points to the fact that violence is no way to "discipline" anyone, especially children. Not only is it not effective and implemented incorrectly, it can be (and very often is) psychologically damaging. Again, you need to join us in the 21st century. And the craziest part is that you're the one telling us we're closed minded; your gross detachment from considering the emotional and physical well-being of children is disgusting and borders on psychopathy.

Please tell me you don't have (and don't plan on having) children. I hope you make your opinion in this regard clear to whomever is stupid enough to be lured in to any kind of potential sexual relationship with you, because no woman worth anything would tolerate this thinking or stick around long.

 

[bellairehusky]

Would you question my POV if I still believed the way to prevent a building from collapsing was to sacrifice children and bury them in the postholes? Or honor killing your child if they were found to be homos e xual? Because both (and many more hideous practices towards children) were once common practice. You're sticking to ARCHAIC IGNORANCE of the kind that has lasting negative psychological effects throughout the victim's life. You treat choosing whether or not to beat a child as punishment like choosing whether or not to enroll them in private school. You're also ignoring the now massive evidence coming from psychological science that universally agrees on and points to the fact that violence is no way to "discipline" anyone, especially children. Not only is it not effective and implemented incorrectly, it can be (and very often is) psychologically damaging. Again, you need to join us in the 21st century. And the craziest part is that you're the one telling us we're closed minded; your gross detachment from considering the emotional and physical well-being of children is disgusting and borders on psychopathy.

Please tell me you don't have (and don't plan on having) children. I hope you make your opinion in this regard clear to whomever is stupid enough to be lured in to any kind of potential s e xual relationship with you, because no woman worth anything would tolerate this thinking or stick around long.

I have tried really hard to resist posting anything on this topic. Seems like anything one says somehow gets used against them at some point (we've swung too far). But I personally am sick of hearing people point to these "hundreds of studies" concluding that "if you use corporal punishment to punish your children...they will be screwed up for life." GIMME A BREAK. Where do these studies come from? Maybe they only interview the people in prision most of whom probably endured physical punishment as a kids. Of course that will be the case of that demographic group. But I refuse to believe that the reason these people turn bad is because of a DISCIPLINARY switch. I emphasize the word disciplinary because I am willing to bet that most people who grew up where their parent whacked them now and then but who now or then understood that it resulted from negative behavior, view that such punishment method helped them in life. I don't need a "scientific study" to know that when I talk to my doctor, lawyer, businessmen, professional, trade professional and laborer friends who are successful/productive, many of them received physical punishment growing up and pretty much all of those, like me, viewed that it helped in life. Go ahead, ask some of your SUCCESSFUL friends that received physical punishment if they are screwed up now.

Life is about choices, and making the right ones...unfortunately we don't blame actions of bad actors on their choices, we blame it on how their parents screwed them up. I am not naive - I know that some situations are extreme and truly impacts adulthood, but I will never ever believe that physical punishment done selectively and properly where the punishment to the bad action is recognized, can screw anyone up.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I have tried really hard to resist posting anything on this topic. Seems like anything one says somehow gets used against them at some point (we've swung too far). But I personally am sick of hearing people point to these "hundreds of studies" concluding that "if you use corporal punishment to punish your children...they will be screwed up for life." GIMME A BREAK. Where do these studies come from? Maybe they only interview the people in prision most of whom probably endured physical punishment as a kids. Of course that will be the case of that demographic group. But I refuse to believe that the reason these people turn bad is because of a DISCIPLINARY switch. I emphasize the word disciplinary because I am willing to bet that most people who grew up where their parent whacked them now and then but who now or then understood that it resulted from negative behavior, view that such punishment method helped them in life. I don't need a "scientific study" to know that when I talk to my doctor, lawyer, businessmen, professional, trade professional and laborer friends who are successful/productive, many of them received physical punishment growing up and pretty much all of those, like me, viewed that it helped in life. Go ahead, ask some of your SUCCESSFUL friends that received physical punishment if they are screwed up now.

Life is about choices, and making the right ones...unfortunately we don't blame actions of bad actors on their choices, we blame it on how their parents screwed them up. I am not naive - I know that some situations are extreme and truly impacts adulthood, but I will never ever believe that physical punishment done selectively and properly where the punishment to the bad action is recognized, can screw anyone up.

So let's ignore your intellectual suicide and fallacies of willful ignorance and denigrating of evidence which is replaced by your anecdotal evidence.

Is physically beating a child sufficient and necessary for them to learn how to conduct themselves in a socially appropriate manner?

 

[Deepster]

What he did wasn't "discipline". It's child abuse. And it's against the law. That's why he was arrested.

 

[Leebo]

beating children
properly

 

[Walker11]

Physically disciplining your child is one thing. I don't agree with it but I can understand cultural differences. That said, AP beat the sh_t out of a 4 year old. Thats beyond acceptable.

I think Gurleyman's point was important as well. This is a kid being raised by his mother, who goes to see his absentee father on a vacation and comes home bruised and battered. I would be more open to the rationalizing (but would still disagree) if AP was actually raising the kid. Providing for his son financially does not give him the right to assault his son.

 

[UConniki]

My main point is don't try to tell a man who is being a great provider for his family how to discipline his kids. Keyword: DISCIPLINE.

Discipline in your world = child abuse to most of us and thankfully you and people like you are in the minority on this topic ! What exactly does money have to do with this conversation (great provider) ? So if your an NFL player you get to do what ever you want, got it .

 

[8893]

Wow, hadn't heard this part:

"Last year, Peterson's other son died after allegedly being abused by another man.

Authorities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, found the 2-year-old boy unresponsive, and later determined he'd suffered injuries to his head consistent with abuse."

 

[Leebo]

Wow, hadn't heard this part:

"Last year, Peterson's other son died after allegedly being abused by another man.

Authorities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, found the 2-year-old boy unresponsive, and later determined he'd suffered injuries to his head consistent with abuse."

Hey, we can't pass judgment on how people discipline kids!

 

[Robertelamin]

I doubt this ever sees the inside of a courtroom. It clearly looks like abuse to me but not to many others and I think using a switch is more accepted in the south/Texas. I bet he gets a plea deal and his punishment will be like taking parenting classes and any visits by the child will be supervised.

 

[bellairehusky]

"So let's ignore your intellectual suicide and fallacies of willful ignorance and denigrating of evidence which is replaced by your anecdotal evidence.

Is physically beating a child sufficient and necessary for them to learn how to conduct themselves in a socially appropriate manner?"

"beating children
properly"]

This is why I hate posting on these topics rationalizing a different viewpoint...people twisting words so that they can make some some extreme contradictory point. "Scientific Evidence?" How many planets did we have when you grew up? Stress causes ulcers? The universe is static? The earth is flat? Geocentric universe? Sugar makes kids hyperactive? Yeah, lots of scientific studies supporting those at some time.

You all use the word "beating" which has a negative connotation. But I am not going to get into semantics or try to rationalize or explain a POV on a divergent topic. I don't think you or I will change the other's view on physical discipline no matter how much we say. I am just giving a personal opinion. But, I will leave with an actual "anecdote" which Leebo can mischaracterize and/or belittle and Rocktheword can dismiss, but I will at least answer your question:

- We are out at dinner at a friends house a few months ago. My six year old son sees that they have a small dog and proceeds to pick up the dog by the belly. My concerned buddy's wife runs over and asks my son to please not handle or pick up the dog and she explains to him that the breed of dog cannot be picked up that way or else it will get injured. I also reiterate to my son not to pick up the dog again - I recall that I said that we are guests and we have to respect the wishes of those that lived there. A few minutes later my 8 yo comes up to me and says that his brother is picking up the dog again. I seek him out and once again ask ask him to please not pick up the dog again. I reiterated that the dog could get hurt and Mrs. _____ would be extremely upset. Just a few minutes later, I go and check up on him (because I know him and I know how he is) and spot him in a corner looking around and then seemingly thinking that he is not being watched, proceeds to pick the dog up again. I hustled over there and pulled him aside and told him that he had been asked to not do that - I then spanked him twice on his tush - enough for him to feel a sting. I saw in his eyes - he knows exactly what he did wrong, why he got spanked. I know he correlated the spanking to his deliberate bad action. He did not go near the dog again that evening.

So yes, I do believe that physical punishment (not beating) when done properly and with purpose was necessary for my child to conduct himself in a socially appropriate manner that evening...belittle away!

 

[Rocktheworld]

Only attempt to use one possible method of achieving a desired effect
It is successful
Therefore it is necessary

Excellent logic

 

[tzznandrew]

This is why I hate posting on these topics rationalizing a different viewpoint...people twisting words so that they can make some some extreme contradictory point. "Scientific Evidence?" How many planets did we have when you grew up? Stress causes ulcers? The universe is static? The earth is flat? Geocentric universe? Sugar makes kids hyperactive? Yeah, lots of scientific studies supporting those at some time.

You all use the word "beating" which has a negative connotation. But I am not going to get into semantics or try to rationalize or explain a POV on a divergent topic. I don't think you or I will change the other's view on physical discipline no matter how much we say. I am just giving a personal opinion. But, I will leave with an actual "anecdote" which Leebo can mischaracterize and/or belittle and Rocktheword can dismiss, but I will at least answer your question:

- We are out at dinner at a friends house a few months ago. My six year old son sees that they have a small dog and proceeds to pick up the dog by the belly. My concerned buddy's wife runs over and asks my son to please not handle or pick up the dog and she explains to him that the breed of dog cannot be picked up that way or else it will get injured. I also reiterate to my son not to pick up the dog again - I recall that I said that we are guests and we have to respect the wishes of those that lived there. A few minutes later my 8 yo comes up to me and says that his brother is picking up the dog again. I seek him out and once again ask ask him to please not pick up the dog again. I reiterated that the dog could get hurt and Mrs. _____ would be extremely upset. Just a few minutes later, I go and check up on him (because I know him and I know how he is) and spot him in a corner looking around and then seemingly thinking that he is not being watched, proceeds to pick the dog up again. I hustled over there and pulled him aside and told him that he had been asked to not do that - I then spanked him twice on his tush - enough for him to feel a sting. I saw in his eyes - he knows exactly what he did wrong, why he got spanked. I know he correlated the spanking to his deliberate bad action. He did not go near the dog again that evening.

So yes, I do believe that physical punishment (not beating) when done properly and with purpose was necessary for my child to conduct himself in a socially appropriate manner that evening...belittle away!

Wait, so you didn't grab a switch and beat him bloody?!? Would that have been acceptable?

If not, I'm not sure what your disagreement is here. Some disagree with a spanking...but I'm not sure that discussion is at all relevant to what Peterson did.

 

[bellairehusky]

Only attempt to use one possible method of achieving a desired effect
It is successful
Therefore it is necessary

Excellent logic

I bow down to your all knowing greatness and logic.

See, I can do it too! thanks for proving my point.

 

[Leebo]

It's much easier to understand why people are defending Peterson when you realize that they are often defending themselves by proxy.

I would like to see those scientific studies about the Earth being flat though, if you don't mind. The whole angle of that part of your rant is funny, since the reason science changes is because it's improving our knowledge base. Pluto didn't disappear, our understanding of it improved.

 

[bellairehusky]

Wait, so you didn't grab a switch and beat him bloody?!? Would that have been acceptable?

If not, I'm not sure what your disagreement is here. Some disagree with a spanking...but I'm not sure that discussion is at all relevant to what Peterson did.

For the record, I think that what AP did was wrong. I was merely responding to the those that say that ALL forms of physical discipline, not matter what situation, no matter what circumstance, is unacceptable.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I bow down to your all knowing greatness and logic.

See, I can do it too! thanks for proving my point.

Pointing out your absence of logic is not an assertion that I am all knowing. Speaking of proving someone's point, completely illogical, irrelevant, and deflective response.

 

[Leebo]

For the record, I think that what AP did was wrong. I was merely responding to the those that say that ALL forms of physical discipline, not matter what situation, no matter what circumstance, is unacceptable.

I think it's easier to say "Yeah, why don't we not hit kids" as a society, than try to parse this line of exactly how much hitting is the "right" amount of hitting.

If you open the door to every family getting to decide that line for themselves, then you have to accept what people like AP did.

 

[bellairehusky]

Pointing out your absence of logic is not an assertion that I am all knowing. Speaking of proving someone's point, completely illogical, irrelevant, and deflective response.

You're right. But I got too tired of typing - I'm not big into getting into this types of discussions online - its much easier to reach for facetiousness or ad hominem. It's much better discussed over food and drink.

EDIT: And I know my son, you can take away his pokemon cards, video games, stuff he loves to do...for some reason he responds to a little smack on the tush.

 

[bellairehusky]

I think it's easier to say "Yeah, why don't we not hit kids" as a society, than try to parse this line of exactly how much hitting is the "right" amount of hitting.

If you open the door to every family getting to decide that line for themselves, then you have to accept what people like AP did.

Agree, its nice to have everything black or white and not gray but like most things there is always gray. I guess its up to judge and jury to decide now.

 

[Leebo]

In this case, there's white and gray. It's quite easy to stay on the white side.

AP describes the result of his action as "unintentional." Is he acknowledging that something "wrong" happened? Did he mean to go lighter on him? There's an easy solution to that.