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cryjeremiah said:
This story is front page on FoxNews.

Regardless of constitution/faith (blah, blah and say what you will about FoxNews), bad press is bad press. Not laying blame, but there is no silver lining so far.
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metsfan2323 said:
and this is one of the reasons you keep religion out of the work place, it's impossible to discuss religion without politics creeping into it. Fake News and their minions can go _________ themselves. Look how this subject has brought us all together, in Jesus' name, Amen.

and the right wingers who are mad at Herbst should root for a different school, she did the right thing.
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Well, I tried nicely to provide a simple, unbiased, non-inflammatory little update post............. and you promptly ram it violently up your own arse with vitriolic flourish.

I've intentionally stayed completely out of this foolishness, but seriously, how do you not see the raging hypocrisy in your post? And that goes for the people on the other side of the fence as well.

Nevermind, I'm checking back out of this cesspool.
 
Other than trusting Diaco's judgement, I haven't seen any personal knowledge in this thread that Jones is a great coach. And if we all trust Diaco, he says the resignation is not related to the Jesus kerfluffle. So good luck in the future, next.

I bet Dez will have an article giving Jones' explanation soon.
 
tjhusky said:
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Classic!!!
 
Diaco said that issue had been dealt with swiftly and that Jones' resignation was unrelated to the issue.
"The university administration and the department were extremely supportive and provided education to me [that] I passed along to the staff about speaking on behalf of the university as a university representative," Diaco said. "The fact of the matter is life happens. And things arise in people's lives that need attention and this is entirely, 100 percent coincidental."
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Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Personally, I will take Diaco at his word, until he gives me reason otherwise. I urge the rest of you to do so as well.
 
cryjeremiah said:
Well, I tried nicely to provide a simple, unbiased, non-inflammatory little update post... and you promptly ram it violently up your own arse with vitriolic flourish.

I've intentionally stayed completely out of this foolishness, but seriously, how do you not see the raging hypocrisy in your post? And that goes for the people on the other side of the fence as well.

Nevermind, I'm checking back out of this cesspool.
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It was an attempt to make it clear what religious discussion in the work place can do for everyone. It's so productive and always brings workers closer together because there is one thing we can all agree on and that is religion.
 
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Waquoit said:
No way he got canned for just the original comments alone.
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So you're all in that he got canned/fired as opposed to he resigned on his own accord for a personal reason?
 
Waquoit said:
Right, let's stop beating around the bush. The reason why this issue stings so bad is that it reflects poorly on coach, it's his first big misstep. He shouldn't have brought this guy into the program and his doing so puts his judgement into question. Jones was fired by his alma mater, a school right smack dab in the middle of the Bible Belt for crying out loud. The moral being that maybe you want Jesus in the huddle, but you better keep your hands out of the till. Fired for malfeasance and contumacious conduct. I had never heard the word contumacious before. As a matter of fact, when you enter "malfeasance and contumacious conduct" into Google the first thing you get is a definition of contumacious. The 2nd entry is a legal brief titled "Jones v. Alcorn State University" which should be mandatory reading for this board.

BTW, contumacious means " openly insubordinate and willfully obstinate--exhibiting stubborn rebelliousness". I wonder if after his Diaco had his talk with Jones, Jones responded with some contumacious conduct which necessitated his resignation. No way he got canned for just the original comments alone.
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It's really time this discussion be shelved in favor of boobies. Leave the explanation for the resignation at social religious cultural stuff that is nonsense really, rather than the possibility that a guy was hired and post hire, a history of stuff like establishing illegal $10k+ slush fund accounts for recruiting and donor concession and other stuff like that was discovered.

Yup - he resigned over the religion comments - ok - everybody? Give the guy his dignity.

Now:

Boobies. Sweater Puppies.




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Carl Spackler said:
Leave the explanation for the resignation at social religious cultural stuff that is nonsense really, rather than the possibility that a guy was hired and post hire, a history of stuff like establishing illegal $10k+ slush fund accounts for recruiting and donor concession and other stuff like that was discovered.
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C'mon - You really, really think that this wasn't known before he was hired? Sounds like the Doug Williams etal issue @ Grambling .
 
LRock34 said:
The man is a devout christian and the University and State asked him to keep that information to himself while he was at work.

Only in Connecticut. This man would have helped us tremendously in recruiting young christian men from the South. But we don't want to offend some soccer mom in Hartford. Unbelievable.

Wonder who they will hire to replace him.
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Yes. It has nothing to do with state representatives trying to do their job and uphold the laws and constitution. Just a desire not to offend soccer moms.

Every time you think the board can't go further off the deep end ....
 
huskymedic said:
So you're all in that he got canned/fired as opposed to he resigned on his own accord for a personal reason?
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No, all I am saying his comments to Dez is not why he is no longer a coach at UConn. Those comments aren't going to get you fired at UConn, just a slap on the wrist. But also can't say that he left on his own accord, as leaving for "family reasons" and the like are almost cliche these days. But it could be the case. My gut says that his subsequent reaction to the wrist slap is what brought the issue to a boil.
 
Waquoit said:
Wrong again, bill. James Madison, Father of the Constitution, was a devout man. But his insistence of a strict seperation of church and state was such that he wanted the post offices open on Sunday. The fathers knew that injecting faith over reason in Government is a recipe for disaster.
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Similarly, Jefferson, Governor of Virginia, President, Ambassador, author of the Declaration of Independence held the following view: "it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. .." and it was Jefferson who coined the phrase "a wall of separation between Church and State" in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. The founders were a decidedly mixed in their religious outlook. Samuel Adams was a strict Calvinist.New England Congregationalist. Franklin had views which were difficult to was a diest, although John Adams once said the Catholics thought him a Catholic, Presbytarians a Prysbertarian, the Church of England claimed him as one of their own..." At one point he wrote ""I think opinions should be judged by their influences and effects; and if a man holds none that tend to make him less virtuous or more vicious, it may be concluded that he holds none that are dangerous, which I hope is the case with me." Later in life he returned to organized religion but not any particular one. He was a supporter of organized religion in general but not any one in particular. Thomas Paine, on the other hand, writer of the highly influential Common Sense, was a deist and a freethinker who was strongly opposed to any form of organized religion. Washington believed that all religious beliefs were beneficial to a society. He himself was an Anglican, but as Commander of the Colonial Army he forbade Guy Fawkes day celebrations among his troops which were anti-Catholic in color, and during the invasion of Canada he ordered his commanders to treat the French Catholics with respect, partly to generate support for the rebellion, its true. For what its worth, General Arnold ignored those orders. He rarely attended church services, though during his presidency he was once reportedly criticized from the pulpit for regularly leaving early when he did. Charles Carroll, a leader of the Maryland delegation was a Catholic. His younger brother John was the first American Catholic bishop.

Final note. The founding fathers had a wide range of religious views. One reason that it gets confusing. A second reason is that like many people, sometimes views changed over time. Finally, there were certain customs, or writing styles which tended to use religious references as a style, particularly in political documents. The Declaration of Independence is a great example of this. But if you compare it to the Constitution, which is much more of a "technical" document about how government should operate, I don't think you will find a single reference to a Supreme Being. The single reference to religion is a negative one, in the First Amendment rather than the original document, that Congress shall make no laws regarding it. For what it is worth, if you've ever read the Articles of confederation, they are a similar "technical" document without reference to a deity
 
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Confident Carl said:
2,000 years ago government officials didn't like what Jesus was saying so they crucified him. Not much has changed.
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Right... a football coach deciding maybe he'd rather coach at a university that explicitly endorses religion instead of a university that asks people in positions of authority to not use their authority to proselytize to students, is the exact same thing as the Romans driving giant nails in the hands and feet of the Son of God.
 
Our friend Joe Zone (Logan Marchi rant) At WFSB had to chime in last night and he is of the opinion that it was Jones's religion remarks that got him removed. He ended the short segment but saying he wouldn't offer anymore of a comment lest he also be given his walking papers. Again a Local reporter turd showing no trust in the new regime. I just hope Ernest T. did leave for personal reasons that do not involve health issues. I was hoping to see what he could have done on the engagement side. Lord ( pardon the term) knows College athletics need all the good news it can get.
 
jackl said:
Our friend Joe Zone (Logan Marchi rant) At WFSB had to chime in last night and he is of the opinion that it was Jones's religion remarks that got him removed. He ended the short segment but saying he wouldn't offer anymore of a comment lest he also be given his walking papers. Again a Local reporter turd showing no trust in the new regime. I just hope Ernest T. did leave for personal reasons that do not involve health issues. I was hoping to see what he could have done on the engagement side. Lord ( pardon the term) knows College athletics need all the good news it can get.
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That Zone guy is a PGDL lackey.

Anyone who thinks that Jones resigned on his own accord is just out of their minds. I don't know what it entailed but I'm guessing the Jesus stuff combined with the Alcorn St. findings........should've been vetted better by the school.
 
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This fascination our society has with assigning blame to everything is really unhealthy. Sometimes s%it happens. Ernest decided to leave. Was he uncomfortable because of the comments and backlash? Probably, but we dont know. Maybe he hated Storrs, he wouldn't be the first. Maybe he wasn't thrilled with winter in New England, God knows I'm not at the moment.

The guy decided to move on. I'm sure all of you have done that at some point. Rarely is it any one thing, it's just a decision you make. There is no point looking for anybody to blame here, as nobody has done anything wrong. Jones made one comment that I'm sure in hindsight, he knew he shouldn't make and that's it. Herbst said what needed saying. There is no villain in this movie. No bad guy responsible for it. Let's stop overanalyzing it.
 
jackl said:
Our friend Joe Zone (Logan Marchi rant) At WFSB had to chime in last night and he is of the opinion that it was Jones's religion remarks that got him removed. He ended the short segment but saying he wouldn't offer anymore of a comment lest he also be given his walking papers. Again a Local reporter turd showing no trust in the new regime. I just hope Ernest T. did leave for personal reasons that do not involve health issues. I was hoping to see what he could have done on the engagement side. Lord ( pardon the term) knows College athletics need all the good news it can get.
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Zone should be denied access to anything UConn. Period.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
That Zone guy is a PGDL lackey.

Anyone who thinks that Jones resigned on his own accord is just out of their minds. I don't know what it entailed but I'm guessing the Jesus stuff combined with the Alcorn St. findings...should've been vetted better by the school.
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All due respect Jimmy, but if Coach Jones did not resign on his own accord, it could get really ugly for UConn, more so than it already has. Religion is a protected class and if the University "forced" him out, he has grounds for a wrongful termination suit, regardless of how he was separated. Hostile work environment can apply to religion just as much as it can to s*xual harassment. That is why I have no reason not to take Coach Diaco and President Herbst at their respective words and the two incidents are unrelated. I really hope it doesn't play out like that. At the end of the day, Coach Jones has to be comfortable with his actions.

It may also be irresponsible to even speculate as such, lest it draws unrelated advocates to Northeast Connecticut that don't really belong there.
 
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uconnbill said:
No that a man lost his job is my biggest problem. I was very interested in how he was going to bring players out into the community to help make them not only better players but better men. That is what all universities should be doing or try to do.
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Now you say he "lost" his job? And you "know" this how? Do you have a special hotline? If he was going to be dismissed by UConn it would have been when he made his statements. They didn't do it then, but you are sure it has happened now? If he truly couldn't deal with the heathens at UConn, then he did the right thing by leaving. Maybe Liberty or Bob Jones U. has an opening.
 
Husky25 said:
All due respect Jimmy, but if Coach Jones did not resign on his own accord, it could get really ugly for UConn, more so than it already has. Religion is a protected class and if the University "forced" him out, he has grounds for a wrongful termination suit, regardless of how he was separated. Hostile work environment can apply to religion just as much as it can to s*xual harassment. That is why I have no reason to take Coach Diaco at his word and the two are unrelated. I really hope it doesn't play out like that. At the end of the day, Coach Jones has to be comfortable with his actions.

It may also be irresponsible to even speculate as such, lest it draws unrelated advocates to Northeast Connecticut that don't really belong there.
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Firing someone for their religious beliefs is a VERY different thing than firing a state employee for making inappropriate public comments. Assuming there is even a connection.
 
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Husky25 said:
All due respect Jimmy, but if Coach Jones did not resign on his own accord, it could get really ugly for UConn, more so than it already has. Religion is a protected class and if the University "forced" him out, he has grounds for a wrongful termination suit, regardless of how he was separated. Hostile work environment can apply to religion just as much as it can to s*xual harassment. That is why I have no reason to take Coach Diaco and President Herbst at their respective words and the two incidents are unrelated. I really hope it doesn't play out like that. At the end of the day, Coach Jones has to be comfortable with his actions.

It may also be irresponsible to even speculate as such, lest it draws unrelated advocates to Northeast Connecticut that don't really belong there.
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We'll probably never know the complete story. And people are free to discuss their opinions and disagree on a message board.
 
jackl said:
He ended the short segment but saying he wouldn't offer anymore of a comment lest he also be given his walking papers.
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News reporters never discuss their personal faith or politics on the air because they know they would get canned quickly. Maybe Joe Zone is saying his boss told him not to comment.
 
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jackl said:
Our friend Joe Zone (Logan Marchi rant) At WFSB had to chime in last night and he is of the opinion that it was Jones's religion remarks that got him removed. He ended the short segment but saying he wouldn't offer anymore of a comment lest he also be given his walking papers. Again a Local reporter turd showing no trust in the new regime. I just hope Ernest T. did leave for personal reasons that do not involve health issues. I was hoping to see what he could have done on the engagement side. Lord ( pardon the term) knows College athletics need all the good news it can get.
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That's an irresponsible POV on which to speculate and not expand upon for a person in his position and with his access.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
Firing someone for their religious beliefs is a VERY different thing than firing a state employee for making inappropriate public comments. Assuming there is even a connection.
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Says one side. On the other hand, it is quite difficult to separate the inappropriate comment from religious beliefs, when the subject of the inappropriate comment is a religious belief.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
We'll probably never know the complete story. And people are free to discuss their opinions and disagree on a message board.
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No we won't and true about freedom on a message board, but freedoms don't come without consequence either, good or bad.

Joe Zone has a bigger responsibility than we on a message board. To indicate potential malfeasance and not expand on his platform does the situation a disservice.
 
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