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HartbeatHusky said:
I agree. The NBE could be better than a completely gutted ACC. If FSU, Clemson, GTech, Miami all go to the Big 12 and UNC, UVA, Maryland, and Duke go Big 10, and NC State and VTech go SEC the ACC is only left with WF, BC, Cuse and Pitt. 2 of those 4 could go Big 12 to bring it to 16 so really the ACC could be completely finished. Not worth joining at all. The last two standing would probably be forced to come to us rather than the other way around. I think this would also cause the Pac 12 to scrounge up 4 western schools to get to 16 as well and the age of the 4, 16 team super-conferences will have dawned.

If the ACC gets poached it's going to be a fire sale. As I've said before the attractiveness of their members and the low value of their contract will have sealed their fate.
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That's a lot of "if." Quite frankly, I would be ecstatic if only half of that "if" took place. It would leave the ACC very weak after losing half of those teams. The interesting thing is how it would affect their tv contract, if at all. I would imagine that ESPN lawyers would find a way to reduce their contract size based on the loss of teams (since they were almost in arbitration based on the gaining of two teams). If that is legally possible, you could possibly imagine a scenario where the NBE could poach back!!

Alright, time to put down my LSD tabs....the black-light is wearing out...
 
UConnDan97 said:
That's a lot of "if." Quite frankly, I would be ecstatic if only half of that "if" took place. It would leave the ACC very weak after losing half of those teams. The interesting thing is how it would affect their tv contract, if at all. I would imagine that ESPN lawyers would find a way to reduce their contract size based on the loss of teams (since they were almost in arbitration based on the gaining of two teams). If that is legally possible, you could possibly imagine a scenario where the NBE could poach back!!

Alright, time to put down my LSD tabs....the black-light is wearing out...
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It's a whole lotta if's. The only reason it's even plausible if the fact that this whole 4 team super-conference scenario has been so widely discussed for the past few years.
 
WhaleEER said:
FSU coach Jimbo Fisher says FSU should explore leaving ACC for Big 12


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...11_1_acc-espn-fsu-coach-jimbo-fisher-acc-s-tv

Dan Wetzel
@DanWetzel
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Also, nervous speculation within ACC is that if FSU goes B12, Miami may try also. Academic prestige of ACC may not be enough to keep UM
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The rats are slinking off the ship. The U makes such a great villain.

I cannot see this happening. If I remember correctly, Miami has a significant amount of their alumni in the NE.
 
Miami needs to be invited to go...if FSU bolts, the Big 12 will have the option of cherry-picking one of almost any of the remaining schools in the ACC. Don't think they'd want Miami.
 
WhaleEER said:
Also, nervous speculation within ACC is that if FSU goes B12, Miami may try also. Academic prestige of ACC may not be enough to keep UM
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We are in silly season now....After the FSU stuff hit the wires its Miami, Maryland and V Tech out kicking tires......and the ongoing Clemson amd Louisville rumors

Maryland? C'mon. Next up will be Rutgers
 
Miami is not attractive at all, really given the coming sanctions, lack of attendance, alumni base, etc. I would think VaTech and Clemson might be more attractive to the big 12. but Miami does help recruiting perhaps. Maybe they go after clemson, UM and ULouisville with FSU
 
Usually this conference realignment stuff makes my eyes bleed because it is all internet rumors and sources. However, this FSU stuff looks like it may have some legs. You have people in prominent positions in the school saying on the record that FSU basically needs to do what they can to look at other conferences. It is pretty funny that the addition of SU and Pitt has really pissed them off because those schools have been irrelevant in football for years. Every day will bring something new at this point I think.
 
fsu pres just dropped a gem about how there an acc team lol.

fsu fans, students, donors, coaches and bot vs a pres. who wins?
 
HuskyfanDan said:
fsu pres just dropped a gem about how there an acc team lol.

fsu fans, students, donors, coaches and bot vs a pres. who wins?
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@dennisdoddcbs: FSU news ... http://post original url/iFjYZMDG

Posted: 11:22 pm May 12, 2012

FSU says "misinformation" spread about ACC contract
By Dennis Dodd | Senior College Football Columnist

Florida State's president reacted late Saturday saying "misinformation" was spread about ACC Contract:

"Florida State University regrets that misinformation about the provisions of the ACC contract has unnecessarily renewed the controversy and speculation about University's athletic conference alignment. Florida State respects the views of the Chair of its Board of Trustees that, of course, any university would examine options that would impact university academics, athletics or finances. At the same time, Florida State is not seeking an alternative to the ACC nor are we considering alternatives. Our current commitments remain strong."
 
The FSU fans are pissed. The home schedule next year has 5 games against non-football powers:
They are insulted and think attendance will take a hit again next year.

Murray State
Savannah State
Wake
BC
Duke
------------------------
Clemson
Florida

Spetman said sagging ticket sales in football is a key piece of the shortfall. The budget projects a drop of $550,000 in ticket sales compared to 2011-2012.

The average crowds of 66,293 for Samford, Brigham Young and Wake Forest in 2010 are 15 percent lower than the crowds for the first three home games of the 2009 season (Miami, Jacksonville State and South Florida), and the announced 61,674 tickets distributed for the 2010 Wake Forest game was the lowest in nearly 18 years, going back to a 1992 game against Tulane.

Total attendance has decreased every year since 2008, the last of eight consecutive years in which FSU averaged 80,000 or more for home games. Now, FSU has gone five consecutive home games without drawing as many as 70,000, dating to last year.
 
i swear, i just can't laugh hard enough. its keeps getting better and better.

From Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports:

"The first shock to the system hit Wednesday, when the ACC came to terms with ESPN on a 15-year, $3.6 billion agreement that sure sounded good in the press release. Each school was supposedly getting an additional $4 million a year. The average would be $17.1 million annually. Not bad, it seemed.

The reality was bad, however. The initial bump in television revenue is actually just over $1 million a year, sources said, and a total in the $12 million range next season. The deal is back loaded so the bigger money comes in escalator provisions that, considering how broadcast rights keep growing, probably will be below market by the time any sizeable gains are realized.


That additional $4 million per school, per year? That won't come until 2021, nine years in, sources said.


Privately, almost everyone was troubled by the deal.

Furthermore, there was consternation over the length of the deal, which could favor ESPN. Some wondered if it wasn't agreed upon just to save face, the later money making it look like the ACC landed a windfall in today's dollar.

The deal is done though. The only option is to further expand to 16 teams and force renegotiations. Unless that means adding Notre Dame (highly unlikely) there is no one available that would improve the value of the league.""

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...12.html#more-id
 
If FSU was winning ACC titles now the way they were in the 90's, does anyone think they would really be trying to change conferences?
 
HuskyfanDan said:
i swear, i just can't laugh hard enough. its keeps getting better and better.

From Dan Wetzel, Yahoo Sports:

"The first shock to the system hit Wednesday, when the ACC came to terms with ESPN on a 15-year, $3.6 billion agreement that sure sounded good in the press release. Each school was supposedly getting an additional $4 million a year. The average would be $17.1 million annually. Not bad, it seemed.

The reality was bad, however. The initial bump in television revenue is actually just over $1 million a year, sources said, and a total in the $12 million range next season. The deal is back loaded so the bigger money comes in escalator provisions that, considering how broadcast rights keep growing, probably will be below market by the time any sizeable gains are realized.


That additional $4 million per school, per year? That won't come until 2021, nine years in, sources said.


Privately, almost everyone was troubled by the deal.

Furthermore, there was consternation over the length of the deal, which could favor ESPN. Some wondered if it wasn't agreed upon just to save face, the later money making it look like the ACC landed a windfall in today's dollar.

The deal is done though. The only option is to further expand to 16 teams and force renegotiations. Unless that means adding Notre Dame (highly unlikely) there is no one available that would improve the value of the league.""

[URL='http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...12.html#more-id[/quote']http://sports.yahoo.com/news/n...12.html#more-id[/URL]
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Yes! YESSSS!!!!! And I love the part that says "which could favor ESPN." Yeah, no $#it it favors ESPN!
 
nothing says the house is burning down like your school pres getting out of bed at 11pm to put out a statement just so the school can get thru the weekend without the campus burning down.

WATCH OUT!!!!!!
you might get what you're after
Big 12 babies, strange but not a stranger
Nelsons an ordinary guy
Burning down the ACC

Hold tight, wait 'til the ACC's over
Hold tight, we're in for nasty weather
There has, got to be a Bi6 way
Burning down the ACC

Here's your ticket pack your bags
Time for jumpin' overboard
FSU isn't here
Clemson enough but not too far,
Lville you know where you are
Fightin' fire with fire, huah

All broke, hey you might need a paycheck
Shakedown, dreams walking in boston daylight
twenty million dollars a year
Burning down the ACC

It was once a basketball league, just Duke and UNC
Gonna come in first place
Pitt and SU what did you expect
Gonna burst into flames
Go ahead

Burning down the ACC
My ACC, is out of the ordinary
That's right, don't want BC to hurt nobody
Some things, sure can sweep me off my feet
Burning down the ACC

No visible means of support and you have not seen nothin' yet
ESPN you
I don't know what you expect staring into the TV set
Fightin' fire with fire, huah

Yea
Burning down the ACC
Burning down the ACC
Burning down the ACC
 
WhaleEER said:
https://twitter.com/#!/danwetzel

Dan Wetzel ‏ @DanWetzel
ACC TV deal so backloaded, sources say schools only get $1 mill bump next year. Won't be $4 mill until 2021
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The last contract I saw had a 6% escalator every year. It would look something like this. Note the last three years. That's the extension over the old contract and makes up most of the increases.



Year 1 - 11.00 - mil
2 - 11.66 - mil
3 - 12.36 - mil
4 - 13.10 - mil
5 - 13.89 - mil
6 - 14.72 - mil
7 - 15.60 - mil
8 - 16.54 - mil
9 - 17.53 - mil
10 - 18.58 - mil
11 - 19.70 - mil
12 - 20.88 - mil
13 - 22.13 - mil
14 - 23.46 - mil
2027 - 15 - 24.87 - mil
average - 17.07 - mil
 
RS9999X said:
The last contract I saw had a 6% escalator every year. It would look something like this. Note the last two years. That's the extension over the old contract and makes up most of the increases.



Year 1 - 11.00 - mil
2 - 11.66 - mil
3 - 12.36 - mil
4 - 13.10 - mil
5 - 13.89 - mil
6 - 14.72 - mil
7 - 15.60 - mil
8 - 16.54 - mil
9 - 17.53 - mil
10 - 18.58 - mil
11 - 19.70 - mil
12 - 20.88 - mil
13 - 22.13 - mil
14 - 23.46 - mil
2027 - 15 - 24.87 - mil
average - 17.07 - mil
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That's amazing. This actually means that the NBE deal could allow our members to make the same as, if not more than the ACC schools, over the next 3 or 4 years if we can get 13-14M per school. It's a big if, but the ACC won't be competing with the Big 4 until 2027 and by then who knows how much they'll be making. If this is true I think the ACC is going to experience a mass exodus. Blood is in the water for sure.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Miami needs to be invited to go...if FSU bolts, the Big 12 will have the option of cherry-picking one of almost any of the remaining schools in the ACC. Don't think they'd want Miami.
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If, and a big IF, FSU goes to the Big 12 what would Miami add other than another team in Florida? Just like the SEC does not seem to want to add teams from states in which they already have teams why would the Big 12 be willing to do so?
 
observer said:
If, and a big IF, FSU goes to the Big 12 what would Miami add other than another team in Florida? Just like the SEC does not seem to want to add teams from states in which they already have teams why would the Big 12 be willing to do so?
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I think it's a little different in the SEC because they already have that entire contiguous southeastern region of the US. I don't know that the B12 would want Miami, but it is a huge media market that would help the Big 12 solidify itself as a presence in Florida and a good brand name for a conference that is rebuilding.
 
huskymedic said:
@dennisdoddcbs: FSU news ... http://post original url/iFjYZMDG

Posted: 11:22 pm May 12, 2012

FSU says "misinformation" spread about ACC contract
By Dennis Dodd | Senior College Football Columnist

Florida State's president reacted late Saturday saying "misinformation" was spread about ACC Contract:

"Florida State University regrets that misinformation about the provisions of the ACC contract has unnecessarily renewed the controversy and speculation about University's athletic conference alignment. Florida State respects the views of the Chair of its Board of Trustees that, of course, any university would examine options that would impact university academics, athletics or finances. At the same time, Florida State is not seeking an alternative to the ACC nor are we considering alternatives. Our current commitments remain strong."
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What the Chair of the FSU BOT said could mean something or not much at all. As trustees the members of the FSU Board have an obligation to always consider options and opportunities for FSU just like a corporate board has the obligation to actively consider options for the corporation. Remember in the last round of ACC expansion there were allegations that the representatives of the departing schools on the Board of the BE violated their fiduciary duty to the BE by working to move their schools to the ACC. Bottom line, a board of any entity always should consider alternatives and if they do not they are remiss in the discharge of their fiduciary duty. Whether the Chair of the FSU Board was just venting remains to be seen but what he said does not automatically mean that FSU will depart for another conference.
 
observer said:
If, and a big IF, FSU goes to the Big 12 what would Miami add other than another team in Florida? Just like the SEC does not seem to want to add teams from states in which they already have teams why would the Big 12 be willing to do so?
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Why did the ACC add Miami? They were just another team in Florida, right?

Just a quick observation about Observer....fear has rolled into ACCville a ways ahead of schedule. The barbarians may not be at the gates, but the realization that there be barbarians and that they be coming for the gates one of these days has dawned on him.
 
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