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I'm starting to come around on letting Uconn wither on the vine.....It would be very unfortunate to see our rivalry go by the wayside. Wish that teams like Uconn fade into obscurity is just bitter loser talk.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Why are you always so polarizing and extreme?

Syracuse left for a more stable conference and a guaranteed better payday. Seemed reasonable at the time.

On the other hand, you proclaim UConn to be playing in the Yankee Conference. Say Cuse said no and we went with Pitt to the ACC. Syracuse would be on the verge of playing with your so-called Yankee Conference.
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When Pitt and Syracuse left, many were expecting the Big East to match or surpass the ACC on a per team basis when the contract came up for negotiation in September 2012. The ACC was locked into a long-term deal that virtually everyone but you and a handful of Syracuse posers thinks is way under-market. The ACC's best path to getting a market deal would have been to merge into the Big East, not do what they did. Now, despite adding Syracuse and Pitt, the ACC is about to get raided and has an under-market deal.

The right move for everyone was to sit tight, and see what the Big East would get from NBC. The Big 12 did it, and look how it worked out for them. I think the OBE would have gotten close to $20MM an all=sports school. If it started to look like NBC wasn't going to come through, then the Big East schools could explore other options. Jumping in September 2011 was the worst outcome for everyone. Stupid all the way around.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
When Pitt and Syracuse left, many were expecting the Big East to match or surpass the ACC on a per team basis when the contract came up for negotiation in September 2012. The ACC was locked into a long-term deal that virtually everyone but you and a handful of Syracuse posers thinks is way under-market. The ACC's best path to getting a market deal would have been to merge into the Big East, not do what they did. Now, despite adding Syracuse and Pitt, the ACC is about to get raided and has an under-market deal.

The right move for everyone was to sit tight, and see what the Big East would get from NBC. The Big 12 did it, and look how it worked out for them. I think the OBE would have gotten close to $20MM an all=sports school. If it started to look like NBC wasn't going to come through, then the Big East schools could explore other options. Jumping in September 2011 was the worst outcome for everyone. Stupid all the way around.
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This was never going to happen. Ever. If Pitt or SU declined, someone else from the BE would have gladly jumped at the spot.
 
Even more FSU - Big12 talk going on. According to BOT member and former RB Brooks, the Big12 contacted FSU:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...s-far-as-i-know-the-big-12-reached-out-to-us/

I'm not sure if I remember the rules correctly; is it the conference that is allowed to contact the team first, or the team that is allowed to contact the conference (probably chicken and egg, really). But it is getting harder for FSU and the Big12 to hide what seems to be the real story, in my opinion.
 
docsu said:
This was never going to happen. Ever. If Pitt or SU declined, someone else from the BE would have gladly jumped at the spot.
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"They would have done it too" is not a justification for a move that has made a few schools a little worse off, and a lot of schools a lot worse off, than they would have been otherwise. TCU and WVU are the only two programs that really came out ahead in all this, and I think WVU will fade a bit as a national program outside of the Big East. All anyone had to do was ask for a Grant of Rights, that could have had some minimum revenue hurdle in the NBC deal. If the NBC deal doesn't show up, everyone can bail in a year. NBC was a free option for everyone, and Syracuse and Pitt decided they didn't want to see it.

Jumping was a stupid thing to do, and triggered a wave of dominoes that could very well result in Syracuse back in a league with a bunch of teams they just left, with a worse TV deal than they could have gotten if everyone just held tight.

Next time you screw up at work, tell your boss that some other coworker would have screwed up too if put in the same situation. Let me know how it goes. Although what Syracuse did was much worse, because Syracuse also totally screwed its old business partners.
 
docsu said:
This was never going to happen. Ever. If Pitt or SU declined, someone else from the BE would have gladly jumped at the spot.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. It would have sent a powerful message to the other schools. It could have been a rallying point.
 
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The Funster said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. It would have sent a powerful message to the other schools. It could have been a rallying point.
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I agree that it wasn't a given, although I'm not sure if it wouldn't have ultimately happened. Keep in mind that TCU was still on board at the time of the announcement. The Big East was going to try to build slowly from that point (in hindsight, they needed to build fast!). I don't know who the next team would have been, although recent reports pointed to UCF as being an important piece that would have swayed some opinions to leave the Big East. I certainly think that Pitt and Syracuse leaving (Pitt especially) is the reason why WVU left. If your main rival is heading for the hills, and your conference is down to six teams, you are going to look to run too...
 
I rarely agree with nelson, but in this instance he is right on the money. Though I hold Pitt more responsible than Syracuse if only because Pitt's President was Chairman of the Big East. In tha position he had a responsiblity to the Big East. Morally, ehtically and maybee ven legally he shoud have resigned his position in the leadership of the Big East once he began to serioulsy have discussions with another conference.
 
freescooter said:
I rarely agree with nelson, but in this instance he is right on the money. Though I hold Pitt more responsible than Syracuse if only because Pitt's President was Chairman of the Big East. In tha position he had a responsiblity to the Big East. Morally, ehtically and maybee ven legally he shoud have resigned his position in the leadership of the Big East once he began to serioulsy have discussions with another conference.
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The whole fiduciary duty thing is a pretty sticky wicket. Hard for schools to stay a member of a conference, attend meetings, etc. while be plotting to leave. Of course it has happened nut carefully in most cases. Think back to how the SEC told A&M that they would not talk with them, etc. until after they had withdrawn from the Big 12 because Baylor had either filed a lawsuit or made noises that they would.

The whole tortious interference thing presents a huge problem for those who think that 4, 5 or 6 schools are going to simultaneously leave the ACC for the Big 12. While a single departure or two can sort of happen on a wink-wink basis a larger number raises the likelihood that the conference that those teams are joining will be sued by the ACC and the remaining individual schools.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
why would espn ever come to that comclusion? its not like they own the acc or anything...
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here's the thing though, if the B-12 is hunting, it is hunting and somebody will be plucked. My guess is that they really want a coupleo f ACC teams. The question is which ones can they get, and at the end of the day, I think FSU will go. They could take Louisville as #12 but I doubt it. I just think Louisville is not that impressive over all nad they are first and foremost a basketball school on top of that.
 
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Tim Brando on FSU to the Big 12:

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/colleges/audio/11101718/
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Oooh, in that audio Tim Brando delivered a smackdown to FSU fans, along the lines of (paraphrasing) if you can't sell out against Wake Forest, who beat your team, it's an indictment on your fans... look in the mirror. And he makes a point about their envy of UF and also mentioned the handling of the Bobby Bowden situation. Does Brando have a beef with FSU, or is he just telling it like it is? Hmmmm... I think he does have a general point about fans and emotions driving the process.
 
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