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The Funster said:
At this point, I'd be happy to see SU sink on the ACC like Leonardo Di Caprio did on "Titanic".
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You can cheer against SU and all of the other teams that have left the BE for better conferences but you also have to admit that if Herbst's admin assistant told her the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 was on the line she would pick up the phone and say 'yes' even before she said 'hello.'
 
observer said:
You can cheer against SU and all of the other teams that have left the BE for better conferences but you also have to admit that if Herbst's admin assistant told her the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 was on the line she would pick up the phone and say 'yes' even before she said 'hello.'
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why would uconn say yes to the acc now?
 
observer said:
You can cheer against SU and all of the other teams that have left the BE for better conferences but you also have to admit that if Herbst's admin assistant told her the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 was on the line she would pick up the phone and say 'yes' even before she said 'hello.'
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The right move was to hold tight and wait for the NBC payday. Syracuse screwed everyone over by abandoning the ship. We will never know what UConn would have done in the same situation.
 
observer said:
You can cheer against SU and all of the other teams that have left the BE for better conferences but you also have to admit that if Herbst's admin assistant told her the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 was on the line she would pick up the phone and say 'yes' even before she said 'hello.'
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Absolutely :)
 
observer said:
You can cheer against SU and all of the other teams that have left the BE for better conferences but you also have to admit that if Herbst's admin assistant told her the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 was on the line she would pick up the phone and say 'yes' even before she said 'hello.'
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Finally something I completely agree with Obs on. My only additional comment would be that Herbst also would be screaming at her admin about what the took her so long to pick up the phone.......
 
Wwwwwweeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll.... I've been in the "Let's of here ASAP / #BegHarder" camp but if it were me I'd take a long hard look at whether any of the ACC's Big Ten targets had a realistic chance of leaving, and be very insistent on a guarantee of rights or some kind of deal to stabilize the conference we're moving to before saying "I Do".
 
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junglehusky said:
Wwwwwweeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllll.... I've been in the "Let's of here ASAP / #BegHarder" camp but if it were me I'd take a long hard look at whether any of the ACC's Big Ten targets had a realistic chance of leaving, and be very insistent on a guarantee of rights or some kind of deal to stabilize the conference we're moving to before saying "I Do".
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UNC and UVa have to be at the very top of any Big 10 expansion list. Fantastic state schools in fast growing border states with large media markets. UNC has one of the best basketball programs in the country, and UVa has...great academics and is in a big state.

I have to think that if UNC and UVa called, the Big 10 would answer. Maryland is a little less clear, because their finances are so messy. I think the SEC would take VTech in a heartbeat. They probably would want a North Carolina school, which leaves them with NC State. The SEC didn't add Missouri and Texas A&M with the plan of stopping there. I think they want two eastern schools in a state they are not already in.

Rumors are teams are already trying to abandon ship from the ACC. If the Big 12 only takes two schools, can the ACC stabilize at 12? Possible, but I would want a Grant of Rights if I was thinking about joining that league after a departure.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
UNC and UVa have to be at the very top of any Big 10 expansion list. Fantastic state schools in fast growing border states with large media markets. UNC has one of the best basketball programs in the country, and UVa has...great academics and is in a big state.

I have to think that if UNC and UVa called, the Big 10 would answer. Maryland is a little less clear, because their finances are so messy. I think the SEC would take VTech in a heartbeat. They probably would want a North Carolina school, which leaves them with NC State. The SEC didn't add Missouri and Texas A&M with the plan of stopping there. I think they want two eastern schools in a state they are not already in.

Rumors are teams are already trying to abandon ship from the ACC. If the Big 12 only takes two schools, can the ACC stabilize at 12? Possible, but I would want a Grant of Rights if I was thinking about joining that league after a departure.
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I understand the "fit" of UNC and UVA in the Big Ten. But I don't see how that produces more per capita revenue for Big Ten teams, as neither has a football following that would be in the top half of the Big Ten. And failing that I don't see it happening.
 
I'm not sure I agree with anyone about UNCand Virginia to the Big 10. Some things are a bridge too far, and that seems like one of them. Culturally, and in every other way, those schools are just not good fits any more than a northeastern urban Catholic Boston College was a good fit in the southern ACC. You just need to walk onto those campuses compared with Michigan or Ohio state or Iowa and you see and feel a totally different vibe. And basketball is clear ACC king. Not so in the Big. Could someone do something that dumb for money? Sure. But I don't really think UNC or UVA would tend to go that route. Maryland is a different sort of animal, probably more north than south and it could likely make such a move but unless things look pretty desperate i wouldn't look for UNC or UVA to do it. UVA's other problem is VaTech. although UVA is the flagship, Tech is the largest public university in the state and no governor or legislature is going to let VaTech be left high and dry, even for the B-10. Not happening, so unless and until VPI has a home, UVA ain't going anywhere.

The funny thing to me would be if the ACC spiraled out of control and Pitt Syracuse BC and Maryland all ended up in a new league with UCONN, Rutgers Louisville, Cincinnatti, and south florida...
 
businesslawyer said:
I understand the "fit" of UNC and UVA in the Big Ten. But I don't see how that produces more per capita revenue for Big Ten teams, as neither has a football following that would be in the top half of the Big Ten. And failing that I don't see it happening.
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It won't. Larry Scott and Jim Delaney were very pointed as to the future: a 9-game conference schedules, one BiG/PAC cross conference game for each team, the one home gate game (against the MAC or whoever as the opener) which is big revenue for the 100,000 seat stadiums, and 1 free schedule game against a large regional rival like Notre Dame or marquee program like Texas or BiG/PAC event like a game in Asia. Then there's the Rose Bowl :)

In US markets outside the BiG and PAC footprint that don't carry the Pac or BiG they can work together on a Network offering with Fox that merges content and possibly adds some Sports Movies or single Events to guarantee cable adds. That hasn't happened yet but is proposed. The PAC Network launches in 4 Months. Scott isn't stupid. He will monetize the assets and the conferences don't gain as much by expanding as they do by pooling content and working with Fox to get the 'merged' network placed nationally for decent carriage fees.
 
businesslawyer said:
I understand the "fit" of UNC and UVA in the Big Ten. But I don't see how that produces more per capita revenue for Big Ten teams, as neither has a football following that would be in the top half of the Big Ten. And failing that I don't see it happening.
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The important thing for the Big 10 is how many people get the Big 10 network at the in market rates. It's something like a dollar a subscriber a month in Ohio and Michigan but 10 cents for people like me in CT w DTV.

They could use the recruiting grounds of VA and NC if they want to not get blown out by the SEC in bowl games.

I don't think UNC or UVA has any interest until the ACC implodes to the point where NCSU and VPI are elsewhere, but it makes sense in a vacuum.
 
huskypantz said:
Our best case scenario would be the B1G adding us, ND and 2 other northeast teams. Not likely, but best case and big payday.

I think most UConn fans would prefer to be in a conference with regional rivals such as SU, RU, BC. After reading some of the posters on the SU board who are rooting for UConn's (and RU's) demise now that they're in the ACC, there's some animosity building. Not to mention the fact that the ACC has twice severely damaged our conference.
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Well if you are going to bring up the big ten then we should explore other equally likely scenarios like oil being discovered under the rent or a sinkhole swallowing all the Northeastern football schools but UCONN.

I used to hate the ACC as well..until I realized that the real culprit in all this was the extreme shortsightedness of the Big East the past three decades.....starting with giving Penn State the Heisman.
 
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docsu said:
Holy **** the crazy is strong here.
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your not bringing much to the table here. at least be entertaining and list 10 schools with slashes between them on who the acc will bring in once it's raided. I'd love to hear how SU fans think the ACC will survive working under a similar model as the old big east minus bball only schools.
 
specialisthusky said:
your not bringing much to the table here. at least be entertaining and list 10 schools with slashes between them on who the acc will bring in once it's raided. I'd love to hear how SU fans think the ACC will survive working under a similar model as the old big east minus bball only schools.
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Yeah I'll get right on that....if there's any source on realignment that has been accurate it's Internet message boards.
 
so your saying Cuse and its running mate Pitt were the only teams of value to any conference in America and the realignment puzzle has been completed? Why are you even here in our world of potential hypothetical situations then?
 
HuskyfanDan said:
why would uconn say yes to the acc now?
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Because they still have a 15 year contract that will pay you at least 50% more than any Big East contract will, and in truth, everyone knows the ACC isn't going to collapse. The league has been around for 60 years. The Big East on the other hand, likely won't last another 10 years, except in name only. The football might no longer exist. How about Boise going all TCU on you ? Who's the most at risk again ?
 
specialisthusky said:
your not bringing much to the table here. at least be entertaining and list 10 schools with slashes between them on who the acc will bring in once it's raided. I'd love to hear how SU fans think the ACC will survive working under a similar model as the old big east minus bball only schools.
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I will entertain this crazy.

Syracuse/Boston College/Maryland/Georgia Tech/Connecticut/Rutgers/Wake/Duke/South Florida/Cincinnati

Fifth best football league and a 4-5 bid basketball league.

What do I win?
 
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docsu said:
Well if you are going to bring up the big ten then we should explore other equally likely scenarios like oil being discovered under the rent.
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You up for some fracking in East Hartford?
 
IthacaMatt said:
Because they still have a 15 year contract that will pay you at least 50% more than any Big East contract will, and in truth, everyone knows the ACC isn't going to collapse. The league has been around for 60 years. The Big East on the other hand, likely won't last another 10 years, except in name only. The football might no longer exist. How about Boise going all TCU on you ? Who's the most at risk again ?
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It might not collapse but it won't serve your interests. If Clemson and FSU aren't getting a fair shake what makes you think you will? We might be in a worse position ATM but if you look real close at what you have in your hand you'll see that it's just a lump of fool's gold.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Because they still have a 15 year contract that will pay you at least 50% more than any Big East contract will, and in truth, everyone knows the ACC isn't going to collapse. The league has been around for 60 years. The Big East on the other hand, likely won't last another 10 years, except in name only. The football might no longer exist. How about Boise going all TCU on you ? Who's the most at risk again ?
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Syracuse screwed everyone by leaving the Big East. It jumped into a crappy, long-term, under-market contract in the ACC, and kept the Big East from scoring a bigger deal, which was coming, from NBC and/or ESPN. The smart move was to merge the ACC into the Big East, opening the door for any programs that wanted to leave for "greener" pastures. Whatever was left would have scored a big deal from NBC/ESPN/Fox/whoever.

Syracuse and Pitt have cost two conferences hundreds of millions of dollars with one incredibly stupid move.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Syracuse and Pitt have cost two conferences hundreds of millions of dollars with one incredibly stupid move.
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Why are you always so polarizing and extreme?

Syracuse left for a more stable conference and a guaranteed better payday. Seemed reasonable at the time.

On the other hand, you proclaim UConn to be playing in the Yankee Conference. Say Cuse said no and we went with Pitt to the ACC. Syracuse would be on the verge of playing with your so-called Yankee Conference.
 
whaler11 said:
I will entertain this crazy.

Syracuse/Boston College/Maryland/Georgia Tech/Connecticut/Rutgers/Wake/Duke/South Florida/Cincinnati

Fifth best football league and a 4-5 bid basketball league.

What do I win?
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Where are the other NINE schools going to go ? Are the big 4 conferences all going to go to 18 to accommodate everybody ? Your premise is ridiculous on its face. Why would the Carolina schools or UVa EVER EVER leave their own conference? They have NONE of the structural problems of the Big East. It's beyond stupid to compare the two.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Where are the other NINE schools going to go ? Are the big 4 conferences all going to go to 18 to accommodate everybody ? Your premise is ridiculous on its face. Why would the Carolina schools or UVa EVER EVER leave their own conference? They have NONE of the structural problems of the Big East. It's beyond stupid to compare the two.
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Thanks stupid. Thanks for the post.

- honeybadger
 
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can i get a thread recap from mets right now before i blow the roof off this place with some slashes?
 
You guys, take it easy on the orange fans! It's not their fault that they are 2-6 versus a relative newcomer UConn in Big East play. It's not their fault that they haven't beaten us since 2006. It's not their fault that they have been the laughing stock of the Big East for quite some time. Oh wait.....no, it's their fault. I'm sorry. My bad.
 
Stay on topic. We're talking about how the ACC is going to turn into the MAAC...and how UCONNs Big Ten invite is in the mail.
 
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