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Doctor Hoop said:
My point is whether they had more talent is irrelevant. This is a discussion of character and a suspension, and the reasons for Cobb being on the team are abundantly clear, as you point out.
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It's absolutely relevant, when your talents out weigh your problems you get things in life. We shouldn't have been in a situation to have to take a risk on the Cobbs of the world is what I'm getting at. That isn't similar to laptop gate players because we picked them up as freshmen and they were great basketball players.
 
Danzz said:
Laptopgate was the absolute worst thing that ever happened to this program. Nothing compares. Not Nate Miles, not Doug Wrenn or any other problem.
Williams and Price should have been expelled but as you said they were good players.
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I loved watching Marcus Williams, he might be my co-favorite player besides Caron – but that laptop nonsense really tainted my feelings towards him and it was the beginning of the program starting to go off-the-rails in regard to bad public perception stuff going on.
 
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TouchdownHusky said:
Just win. Stop all this character nonsense. You think Louisville cares about character? North Carolina? Penn State? Florida State. Just win and so many of these problems go away.
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Woah. Flaming hot take. We are not a win at any cost school, and we don't want to become one.
 
Chief00 said:
The reason given was one player lied about it the other manned up.
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If it were up to Calhoun, the suspensions would have been the same. It was the school disciplinary committee that ruled differently. Calhoun did not agree with it.
 
August_West said:
Of course there was a flimsy cover. And I dont even care. I love JC, flaws and all. He wanted to win. Im just saying that people who use player character as a manner of questioning Ollie need to remember these things.

I mean since I got you here, you are a case in point too. You are the loudest here about wanting to go back to the JC way of not giving one whit about Academics and that perfect APR scores are part of what is a factor in putting us in a competitive hole. You probably arent wrong about that, so lets dispense with the virtue signaling here.
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In fairness, all I said was “ the reason given”, I did not comment if I believed it. Right on about the overfocus on APRs. Although, I believe Dave is trying to strike a better balance over time.
 
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upstater said:
If it were up to Calhoun, the suspensions would have been the same. It was the school disciplinary committee that ruled differently. Calhoun did not agree with it.
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I did not say Calhoun made the decision.
 
upstater said:
If it were up to Calhoun, the suspensions would have been the same. It was the school disciplinary committee that ruled differently. Calhoun did not agree with it.
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Yeah Im sure Calhoun didnt agree with getting his point guard back on the cusp of making a title run with a loaded team that had no other point guard.

If Calhoun wanted him suspended for the same amount of time he simply couldve left him on the bench or in street clothes.

That is a hilarious premise upstater. Thanks for the laugh.

Since I got you here, what do you think about Tom Brady ripping off the public with new fitness equipment?
 
Danzz said:
Laptopgate was the absolute worst thing that ever happened to this program. Nothing compares. Not Nate Miles, not Doug Wrenn or any other problem.
Williams and Price should have been expelled but as you said they were good players.
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Marcus’s visiting cousin was the driver in all that - Marcus and AJ just followed along trying to be cool as teenagers tend to do when they are doing something stupid.
 
Sonova said:
Nate Miles was a really nice kid from the worst kind of background you could imagine (actually you couldn’t imagine it). If you want to see exhibit A on the educational and Child Welfare systems failing kids, see Nate Miles. That he gets portrayed as some sort of bad egg that was beyond help is ignorant. You can suggest that maybe he didn’t belong in college, but don’t confuse the end result with what type of kid he was or how Hathaway threw him under the bus
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You have got me wrong.

I actually would encourage Calhoun to go do this. I LOVE the Caron Butler story. And I am ok with Wrenn, Wiggins, Toraino, Nate Miles. From some notion that they could have gotten a college degree. My Mom went from being a professor/college president's wife with lots of kids to an Inner City school nurse with a gaggle of kids from Crack families as her minions. I understand the soulfulness of reaching for these kids.

But ... oftentimes ... you get some bad stories because the support is not enough. Father Flanagan Calhoun puts to rest Ollie not having compliance to standards of Right Kid. You take risk ... that you think can work for your Program. WE ARE NOT a school that can't support them.
 
August_West said:
Yeah Im sure Calhoun didnt agree with getting his point guard back on the cusp of making a title run with a loaded team that had no other point guard.

If Calhoun wanted him suspended for the same amount of time he simply couldve left him on the bench or in street clothes.

That is a hilarious premise upstater. Thanks for the laugh.

Since I got you here, what do you think about Tom Brady ripping off the public with new fitness equipment?
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You have forgotten the particulars of laptop incident. It was a school penalty. Calhoun's was shorter. He was upset. This isn't even a secret--it was in the Hartford Courant!

Marcus was also saved by the fact that while AJ was questioned right away about the case, Marcus was traveling overseas on a basketball tour and he never had to respond immediately. He got to see and understand all the ramifications of his actions. Weeks went by without him being questioned.
 
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Pudge said:
You have got me wrong.

I actually would encourage Calhoun to go do this. I LOVE the Caron Butler story. And I am ok with Wrenn, Wiggins, Toraino, Nate Miles. From some notion that they could have gotten a college degree. My Mom went from being a professor/college president's wife with lots of kids to an Inner City school nurse with a gaggle of kids from Crack families as her minions. I understand the soulfulness of reaching for these kids.

But ... oftentimes ... you get some bad stories because the support is not enough. Father Flanagan Calhoun puts to rest Ollie not having compliance to standards of Right Kid. You take risk ... that you think can work for your Program. WE ARE NOT a school that can't support them.
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I always felt Nate did not get due process as did Calhoun. Nate’s first hearing was disrupted by protestors from the Women’s Cemter shouting and making lots of noise. The academic bureaucrats on the committee were clearly intimidated and Nate got a raw deal.

Violating a restraining order was clear cut but done out of ignorance but the underlying sexual assault never happened. It was pushed by the mother who did not want her daughter dating Nate for reasons I think I know.

At any rate, we had a little surprise coming for the anti Nate people at the next hearing - some protestors of our own. It would have been an interesting mix - a bus load of teamsters with a keg of beer for their trip to Storrs and the Women Center protestors. But, Emmert and Hathaway happened and the hearing never took place. Not big fans of them.
 
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I've learned so much in this thread. (Mostly a reinforcement that we don't need separate threads for spin zone reruns.)

Message board discussions need self-professed insiders to let us know they know what we do not know.
Self-professed insiders have their followers and cynics.
Certain insiders and cynics would be able to run a successful major college program.
A successful major college program steers clear of JUCOs.
JUCO kids come from the basketball of deplorables.
One such kid f.u.'s coach so kid gets suspended.
Kid gets suspended so another reason why coach deserves to get fired.
(At this point thread has been jumped and many silently go "Aargh, here we go again!")
Coach deserves to get fired so prior coach's suspensions are called into question.
Prior coach suspended kids but didn't deserve to get fired.
Prior coach didn't deserve to get fired because he won.
Winning coach is respected by his large base and called into question by few while losing coach is dissected and desecrated by many and respected by only his shrinking base.
Majority opinion is loudest in the war of words.
When out of opinion ammunition, cowardly posters devolve into personal attack.
Personal attack battles, what fun.
Fun is discussion.
Discuss.
 
upstater said:
If it were up to Calhoun, the suspensions would have been the same. It was the school disciplinary committee that ruled differently. Calhoun did not agree with it.
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Yes, he thought they both should have received the lesser punishment.
 
Chief00 said:
I always felt Nate did not get due process as did Calhoun. Nate’s first hearing was disrupted by protestors from the Women’s Cemter shouting and making lots of noise. The academic bureaucrats on the committee were clearly intimidated and Nate got a raw deal.

Violating a restraining order was clear cut but done out of ignorance but the underlying sexual assault never happened. It was pushed by the mother who did not want her daughter dating Nate for reasons I think I know.

At any rate, we had a little surprise coming for the anti Nate people at the next hearing - some protestors of our own. It would have been an interesting mix - a bus load of teamsters with a keg of beer for their trip to Storrs and the Women Center protestors. But, Emmert and Hathaway happened and the hearing never took place. Not big fans of them.
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You know a sexual assault never happened? Were you under their bed? And who the hell thinks a bus full of drunken Teamsters protesting a university disciplinary hearing is a fine idea?

This place has gone beyond stupid at this point.
 
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TRest said:
You know a sexual assault never happened? Were you under their bed? And who the hell thinks a bus full of drunken Teamsters protesting a university disciplinary hearing is a fine idea?

This place has gone beyond stupid at this point.
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You're arguing with Chief, you get what you sign up for.
 
4xChamps said:
We’ll always have that early three against Wichita State
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That had me channeling my inner Lou Brown... "Nice three Cobb. Don't ever do it again."

And then he hoisted another one.
 
I felt bad for Nate but it wasn’t because of how he was treated. He simply had no business being on a college campus as a student. His life was a mess and he was unprepared academically socially and emotionally to be part of a college community. The result was that he was embarrassed and a woman was at best harassed and probably assaulted and Calhoun and the program were collateral damage. This incident showed how badly Calhoun wanted another title. The irony is he got it with a much more likable guy as the leader
 
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