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RegisteredUconn said:
Projecting from the last 5 years data, the numbers say Geno beats Tara to 1099 by an eyelash.

Wins needed: Stanford 100; UConn 123

Data over 5 years, including this year (Stanford at 18-3, UConn at 20-0)
Wins: Stanford 137; Uconn 171
Winning percentage: Stanford .830; UConn .972

Projecting through this season
Total games: Stanford 180.0; UConn 192.9
Games per year: Stanford 36.0; UConn 38.6
Wins per year: Stanford 29.9; UConn 37.5

Years to 1099 (wins needed/wins per year): Stanford 3.35; UConn 3.28
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This seems pretty accurate to me, maybe slightly generous for both coaches. Geno because it includes four years of Stewie. Tara because it includes two years of Chiney. I see them both getting there in March of 2020 but Geno getting there first. It's a long shot but conceivable that UConn and Stfd meet in the NCAA tournament with both coaches at 1,097 (or both at 1,098).
 
drweo said:
What is the "job" that Tara did on Lobo on the Olympic team???
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I do not post frequently. Hence the delay in answering. I will try my best although I am one of the least knowledgeable on this topic.

Christian Laettner was the NPOY in 1992 coming off 1991 and 1992 NC for Duke. He was named to the dream team and coach Chuck Daly did not bitch about this. He went on to win the gold medal after 3-4 months.

After a seven day trial at Colorado Springs, Rebecca Lobo was among the 11 players selected for the National Team on May 25, 1995. The following day they departed for a series of scrimmages in Europe, then recessed for the summer. Searching the web I sometimes get a 11 player roster and sometimes a 14 player roster.
They reassembled in Colorado springs for a 3 week camp starting on October 2, 1995. Lobo had the good sense to turn up for the camp out of shape, four years of UConn coaching notwithstanding. She was the youngest player on the team, relatively unskilled, the least experienced and perhaps the slowest. Tara was no Chuck Daly and opened her mouth. Geno once famously described Maria Conlon as a player who is not only slow but short as well. Vanderveer was no rival to Geno's humor. She would win the olympic gold 10 months later.

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trb123 said:
I do not post frequently. Hence the delay in answering. I will try my best although I am one of the least knowledgeable on this topic.

Christian Laettner was the NPOY in 1992 coming off 1991 and 1992 NC for Duke. He was named to the dream team and coach Chuck Daly did not bitch about this. He went on to win the gold medal after 3-4 months.

After a seven day trial at Colorado Springs, Rebecca Lobo was among the 11 players selected for the National Team on May 25, 1995. The following day they departed for a series of scrimmages in Europe, then recessed for the summer. Searching the web I sometimes get a 11 player roster and sometimes a 14 player roster.
They reassembled in Colorado springs for a 3 week camp starting on October 2, 1995. Lobo had the good sense to turn up for the camp out of shape, four years of UConn coaching notwithstanding. She was the youngest player on the team, relatively unskilled, the least experienced and perhaps the slowest. Tara was no Chuck Daly and opened her mouth. Geno once famously described Maria Conlon as a player who is not only slow but short as well. Vanderveer was no rival to Geno's humor. She would win the olympic gold 10 months later.

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Geez - all this is making me start to dislike Tara all over again...

"This is what's troubling: Never did VanDerveer pull Lobo aside for a heart- to-heart chat. Never did she call Auriemma for input. She almost seemed to blame Lobo for all the attention and wasn't hesitant to point out her conditioning shortcomings. At one point, in USA Today, VanDerveer appeared to be jockeying for the Olympic committee to cut Lobo and Nikki McCray in favor of internationally tested muscle.

Last autumn, VanDerveer forced Lobo to break 16 minutes in the 2-mile run before she allowed her to leave for a five- day break. It took Lobo five attempts. VanDerveer never mentioned Lobo had undergone knee surgery in the off- season.

``The part I don't understand is why Rebecca was made to feel like she needed to fight to be on the team, yet I never read that about anybody else except once or twice on Nikki McCray,'' Auriemma said. ``What had she done wrong to publicly say her spot's not secure? Who's out there better? There wasn't somebody.''
 
j66kicker said:
Geez - all this is making me start to dislike Tara all over again...

"This is what's troubling: Never did VanDerveer pull Lobo aside for a heart- to-heart chat. Never did she call Auriemma for input. She almost seemed to blame Lobo for all the attention and wasn't hesitant to point out her conditioning shortcomings. At one point, in USA Today, VanDerveer appeared to be jockeying for the Olympic committee to cut Lobo and Nikki McCray in favor of internationally tested muscle.

Last autumn, VanDerveer forced Lobo to break 16 minutes in the 2-mile run before she allowed her to leave for a five- day break. It took Lobo five attempts. VanDerveer never mentioned Lobo had undergone knee surgery in the off- season.

``The part I don't understand is why Rebecca was made to feel like she needed to fight to be on the team, yet I never read that about anybody else except once or twice on Nikki McCray,'' Auriemma said. ``What had she done wrong to publicly say her spot's not secure? Who's out there better? There wasn't somebody.''
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No particular reason I can see to hate her - she was relatively recent NC coach, didn't want inexperienced players (as noted, she apparently wasn't all that fond of McCray either) and thought she would get her way. A lot of coaches in her position might indeed get their way (I suspect Van and Geno almost certainly got there way, I suspect Coach K on the men's side likewise), but she didn't. She gave up a lot to coach the team (a year from Stanford), I don't think the gold medal was as "assured" as we think it is now, and all in all, especially given the publicity surrounding Lobo, she just didn't want to deal with it.

It doesn't make her a horrible person, I'm sure we could find additional similar cases involving a variety of coaches in a variety of sports. In some cases, it can come back to bite you, either because you lose and they blame you for not taking advantage of so-and-so or you end up needing so-and-so and they prove you wrong. In the end, this was a no harm, no foul situation.
 
j66kicker said:
She has also coached NCAA WBB for several more years than Geno has.
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We are looking at a mix of excellence and longevity. Pete Rose, usually leading off and playing a longer annual season than Ty Cobb and playing until age 45, had 2619 more at-bats than Cobb to accumulate his 65 extra hits.
 
KnightBridgeAZ said:
No particular reason I can see to hate her - she was relatively recent NC coach, didn't want inexperienced players (as noted, she apparently wasn't all that fond of McCray either) and thought she would get her way. A lot of coaches in her position might indeed get their way (I suspect Van and Geno almost certainly got there way, I suspect Coach K on the men's side likewise), but she didn't. She gave up a lot to coach the team (a year from Stanford), I don't think the gold medal was as "assured" as we think it is now, and all in all, especially given the publicity surrounding Lobo, she just didn't want to deal with it.

It doesn't make her a horrible person, I'm sure we could find additional similar cases involving a variety of coaches in a variety of sports. In some cases, it can come back to bite you, either because you lose and they blame you for not taking advantage of so-and-so or you end up needing so-and-so and they prove you wrong. In the end, this was a no harm, no foul situation.
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I have a lot of respect for Tara as a coach. She has beaten UConn several times with lesser talent. And she did do an admirable job with that Olympic team. This reminiscing just dredged up an old wound, that's all.
 
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Oldbones said:
We are looking at a mix of excellence and longevity. Pete Rose, usually leading off and playing a longer annual season than Ty Cobb and playing until age 45, had 2619 more at-bats than Cobb to accumulate his 65 extra hits.
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No argument. Kudos to Tara for the longevity and the excellence. But the one year off doesn't impress me, as in "she has done this (roughly = to and slightly ahead of Geno's wins) in spite of taking a year off...", when she has been an NCAA head coach 7 years longer than Geno.
 
vowelguy said:
Tara and Geno within 2 !

As of the morning of 1/29:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 18 = 998 (nxt: 1/29 @WA, 2/3 USC , 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 12 = 987 (nxt: 1/29 NCSt, .... ... 2/5 @Clm, 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 1/29 Nw , 2/2 @Ia , ..... ... 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 20 = 975 (nxt: .... ..... 2/1 @Tmp, 2/5 TLSA, 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 17 = 974 (nxt: .... ..... 2/1, .... 2/4, .... 2/8, .... 2/11)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 2/03 USC .(My guess: 2/10 Col)
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GenoA ties CVS -- 2/05 Tlsa (My guess: 2/7 @Cin)
  • GA ties Htchll -- AAC Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
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Let's look at the other aspects of the Pat Summitt chase.

Total games coached:
Hatchell 1339
Stringer 1331
Summitt 1306
Tara 1226
Stevens 1225
Foster 1210
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1109

Geno is so far down the list of games coached because he has lost so many fewer games than anyone else, 134 versus Pat Summit's second place number of 208.

Perhaps the most impressive of all these stats belongs to Geno. If he could maintain his current win percentage, by the time he loses the number of games Pat Summitt recorded, he would have over 500 more wins than Pat. (1600 wins 208 losses 1808 games = .884 Win %)

Of course he would have to coach another 20 or so years to play that number of games, but the example illustrates how few games Geno has garnered, and his win percentage is going up every year he coaches.
 
geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
 
vowelguy said:
geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
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vowelguy said:
geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
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Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.
 
DefenseBB said:
Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.
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A bit of caution while counting chickens does no harm.
 
Ok, let's stick to just the math- UConn has 7 AAC, 3 AACTourney games for sure; 4 games to Elite 8 makes 14. Hatchell is 11 ahead. He catches her this year. No jinx regardless of silly superstition.
 
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vowelguy said:
Read my post again. I say I expect Geno to tie Hatchell during the NCAAs.
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Doh! Linked your 1000 comment to the GA comment. My bad. Thank you. I really thought you were "off" and I was worried, now I have to worry about myself...
 
Bestiarius said:
Let's look at the other aspects of the Pat Summitt chase.

Total games coached:
Hatchell 1339
Stringer 1331
Summitt 1306
Tara 1226
Stevens 1225
Foster 1210
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1109

Geno is so far down the list of games coached because he has lost so many fewer games than anyone else, 134 versus Pat Summit's second place number of 208.

Perhaps the most impressive of all these stats belongs to Geno. If he could maintain his current win percentage, by the time he loses the number of games Pat Summitt recorded, he would have over 500 more wins than Pat. (1600 wins 208 losses 1808 games = .884 Win %)

Of course he would have to coach another 20 or so years to play that number of games, but the example illustrates how few games Geno has garnered, and his win percentage is going up every year he coaches.
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Your total games coached need a little updating. As of Feb 5:
Stringer 1360
Hatchell 1356
Summitt 1306
Stevens 1248
VanDerveer 1228
Foster 1211
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1111

The win percentage you indicated (.884) is his conference regular season win %; his overall win % is slightly lower, .879.

Auriemma will catch and surpass Summitt's all-time wins mark in fewer games coached than her 1306, precisely due, as you note, to his remarkable low total of losses (134) over his 32-year career.
 
DefenseBB said:
Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.
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Geno has 16 games max this year. Keep in mind that unc will likely get a wnit bid so long as they finish .500 (win 2 more games).
 
As of the morning of 2/7:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: 2/8, .....2/11, .... 2/15, .... 2/21)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
 
Geno moves ahead of CVS and solely into 4th place! And just 10 games behind Hatchell.

As of the morning of 2/8:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
  4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .... .... 2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
  5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: 2/8, .....2/11, ... .2/15, .... 2/21)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
  • Stevens ties CVS -- 2/8 (My guess: 2/8)
 
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vowelguy said:
Geno has 16 games max this year. Keep in mind that unc will likely get a wnit bid so long as they finish .500 (win 2 more games).
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Boston College, @Syracuse, GaTech, @Louisville, @State, Duke.

Where do you see them getting two more wins from? :cool: Even if they won two...... Im not so sure they would accept an WNIT bid. They have declined them in the past.
 
triaddukefan said:
Boston College, @Syracuse, GaTech, @Louisville, @State, Duke.

Where do you see them getting two more wins from? :cool: Even if they won two. Im not so sure they would accept an WNIT bid. They have declined them in the past.
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BC and either GT or 1st round of ACCT are possible wins.
With a team of almost all frosh and soph (1 jr & 1 sr), I'm guessing she'll want the extra practice time, and also to give them some postseason experience since they werent invited last year.
 
vowelguy said:
BC and either GT or 1st round of ACCT are possible wins.
With a team of almost all frosh and soph (1 jr & 1 sr), I'm guessing she'll want the extra practice time, and also to give them some postseason experience since they werent invited last year.
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You have more faith in the tarheels than I do :cool:
 
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vowelguy said:
All I said was "possible." I hope they lose, but I have no faith in BC and consider that a gimme.
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Count me as someone else who has no faith in BC. If they had any self-respect, they would drop out of the ACC and petition to join the AAC.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Everyone has more faith in the Tarheels than you do, even if it's infinitesimally little. :D
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:rolleyes:



vowelguy said:
All I said was "possible." I hope they lose, but I have no faith in BC and consider that a gimme.
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I suspect they will find a way to beat Boston College. But I think they will lose to GaTech. The rest of their games they are liable to get monkey stomped
 
Barbara Stevens has moved into a tie with CVS with a win earlier in the evening. Can Rutgers win and put CVS back ahead (and tied with Geno)?

As of the 7pm on 2/8:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
  4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: ... ... ..2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
  5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: ... ... ..2/11, .. ..2/15, ... .2/21)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
  • Stevens ties CVS -- 2/8 (My guess: 2/8)
 
Rutgers loses again.

As of the morning of 2/9:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
  4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
  5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11, .. ..2/15, .. .2/21)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
 
triaddukefan said:
I suspect they will find a way to beat Boston College. But I think they will lose to GaTech. The rest of their games they are liable to get monkey stomped
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BC leads UNC late in game. Am anxiously awaiting your gloating meme. :)
 
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UNC loses again; their postseason chances are dwindling. Geno Increasingly likely to surpass her this year.

As of the morning of 2/10:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
  4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
  5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11, .. ..2/15, .. .2/21)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
  • Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
  • GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAA)
 
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