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Kibitzer said:
I wonder how many more wins that Geno would have had he become a head coach at age 22 and feasted on a steady diet of cupcakes for a decade or so.:rolleyes:

Kurt Vonnegut said it:
"Of all sad words of mice and men, the saddest are 'It might have been.'"​
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Kurt so closely copied this from John Greenleaf Whittier that in a college course he would have been flunked for plagiarism. Of course, as Sally Kellerman's character points out in "Back to School," Kurt also knew nothing about Vonnegut.
 
UcMiami said:
Barbara Stevens did coach D1 for 3 years - not sure exactly how the NCAA tracks records, but it seems to be any D1 coaching makes their record a 'D1' record - UMass 83-86
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3 years out of 40 years in D-1 doesn't compare to Geno 1200 games coached all in D-1. or any other coaches spending the major part of their life in D-1. Furthermore I couldn't find her winning a game vs AP TOP 25
 
trb123 said:
Correction to the note on Tara VanDerVeer:
Tara skipped the 1995-96 season to coach the olympic team (while simultaneously doing a job on Rebecca Lobo).
She sacrificed the 29-3 record the Cardinals got that season. Her 1993-94 and 1994-95 records are included in the statistics.
The 1995-96 W/L records go to co-head coaches Marianne Stanley and Amy Tucker. Both are credited with the W/L record on the NCAA webpage.

Clarification about Sylvia Hatchell:

NCAA rules are

At Stanford, the school and Tara VanDerveer together must have made the decision to credit Amy Tucker and Marianne Stanley with the wins during the 1995-96 season. At North Carolina, the school decided to credit Hatchell with the wins. This is a very common decision and certainly not tainted by any stretch of imagination.
At LSU, Sue Gunter missed the major part of the 2003-04 season due to illness. Pokey Chatman coached the team. But the school credits the season to Gunter. there is nothing tainted about it.

Hatchell was suspended for 2 games in 2016. One suspension came from the university and per NCAA rules, she was credited with the W/L record for that game. The other suspension came from NCAA. She received credit for that game as well.
BY had detailed discussion about this and I do not remember the explanation.
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"Tainted" I was being charitable. No righteous person claims someone else accomplishment which is worst than plagiarized specially in the education arena. The administration blessing this deal is the same one being complaisant allowing the bogus course for athletes while tutors did the work and Sylvia in the middle of it. Compare that to Tara doing the admirable righteous move to let an interim coach getting credit for his work . A teaching moment in the "Education World"
 
Frenchy said:
3 years out of 40 years in D-1 doesn't compare to Geno 1200 games coached all in D-1. or any other coaches spending the major part of their life in D-1. Furthermore I couldn't find her winning a game vs AP TOP 25
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Even 1100 games, all at one school, is impressive.
 
As of the morning of 12/29:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 10 = 990 (next: 12/30 @ Az St)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 10 = 985 (next: 12/30 v SC St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 03 = 974 (next: 12/31 v Pn St)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 10 = 967 (next: 12/31)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 11 = 966 (next: 12/29 @ MD)
  7. Conradt .. 900
 
Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
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Frenchy said:
"Tainted" I was being charitable. No righteous person claims someone else accomplishment which is worst than plagiarized specially in the education arena. The administration blessing this deal is the same one being complaisant allowing the bogus course for athletes while tutors did the work and Sylvia in the middle of it. Compare that to Tara doing the admirable righteous move to let an interim coach getting credit for his work . A teaching moment in the "Education World"
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BY (myself included) have (collective noun plural verb is probably correct) always appreciated Tara's altruism during the 1995-96 season. Only if we could get her to acknowledge doing a job on Rebecca Lobo simultaneously.
I too do not like the practice of getting credit for a win that one did not coach. If yelling would fix it, I would very gladly do it as well.

I wonder if you knew that CD coached a few games and Geno has been credited with the victories. Why don't you let charity begin at home.
 
vowelguy said:
Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
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If that Bay area IP-address keeps on updating Geno's tally, on Wikipedia Geno may blow by CVS earlier.
I have a hunch that IP-address is a BY member and UConn fan.
 
Frenchy said:
As of morning Dec 25-2016

As Nov1 2016 As Dec 25 2016 RCRD 16-17

1) Pat Summit Tenn (1974-2012) 38 years 1098-208 (0.8407%) ___ ___ __ __
2) Tara Van Derveer Stanford 38 years 980-225 989-227 (.813%) 9-2

Idaho (1978-80); Ohio St (1980—85); Stanford 1985-95)*; Stanford 1986-present)
* NOTE: Tara skip 1995-96 season to coach Olympic team she sacrificed her win record big time i.e. 94-95 30-3 & 93-94 25-6
3) Sylvia Hatchelll NC 42 Years 975-358 984-360 (.732%) 9-2
Francis Marion 1975-86; North Carolina (1980-present)*Tainted record &** tainted record
*Note-1 Sylvia took the entire 2013- 14 season off due to an illness while Andrew Calder an assistant coach record was 27-10 for which Sylvia took credit. Andrew Calder should have been name the interim coach and credited for his record.
**Note-2 Both NC Basketball programs have been under NCAA investigation the past three years for violations over many years and it is just a matter of time before women & men BB programs are slam with penalties which should lead voiding games!!!
4) C Vivian Stringer Rutgers 46 Years 971-366 974-376 (.721) 3-10
Cheney 1971-81; Iowa 1983-95; Rutgers (1995-present) Geno just 8 wins behind!
5) Barbara Stevens Bently 40 years 967-270 .744% * Division D-11 not a factor
6) Geno Auriamma Uconn 32 Years 1985-present) 955-134 966-134 ( 0.8781%)* 11-0
*NOTE Geno has the highest winning percentage in both women and men BB programs,
on 12-27-2014 Geno won vs SMU at the XL Center 96-45 surpassing Leon Barmore winning percentage 888-134 (.86888)
7) Jody Conradt Texas (1976-2013) 38 Years 900-309 (0.7444%) Sam Houston St (1969-73); Texas-Arlington (1973-76);
Jim Foster Chattanooga 39 Years 865-323 870-330 (.725%) 5-7 St Joseph’s 1978-91; Vanderbilt 1991-2002; Ohio St 2002-13;
9) Robin Selvig Montana 38 years (1978-Aug 2016) 865-286 (.752)
10) Andy Landers Georgia (1979-2015) 36 Years 862-299 (0.742%)
11) Muffet McGraw Notre Dame (Lehigh 1982-87) 35 years 1987-present 819-264 830-265 (.7579%) 11-1
* Leon Barmore Lousiana Tech 20 years as co-hc & head coach 1982-2002 567-87 (86878%)* has the second highest winning %
*Note: on 12-27-2014 Geno won vs SMU at the XL Center 96-45 surpassing Leon Barmore winning % 888-134 (.86888)
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Going from 888-134 to 966-134 certainly helps the winning percentage. :D
 
trb123 said:
BY (myself included) have (collective noun plural verb is probably correct) always appreciated Tara's altruism during the 1995-96 season. Only if we could get her to acknowledge doing a job on Rebecca Lobo simultaneously.
I too do not like the practice of getting credit for a win that one did not coach. If yelling would fix it, I would very gladly do it as well.

I wonder if you knew that CD coached a few games and Geno has been credited with the victories. Why don't you let charity begin at home.
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Yes I knew, an occasional game here and there is an acceptable practice because the coach involved had done the work in practice and set the line up and the plays. Versus a record of a complete season when the coach in dispute has not attend any practices and evaluate which player was best at which position given specific situations. Apples vs oranges. Get over it!
 
The only names on this list that retain my interest are Pat, Tara, and Geno. Others are (or destined to become) irrelevant. except to their schools and wcbb historians.
 
Frenchy said:
Yes I knew, an occasional game here and there is an acceptable practice because the coach involved had done the work in practice and set the line up and the plays. Versus a record of a complete season when the coach in dispute has not attend any practices and evaluate which player was best at which position given specific situations. Apples vs oranges. Get over it!
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It is the entire season that galls. Or a major part, as in Sue Gunter's case. Yes, I get that these were health related, but I see that Kay Yow's Associate Head Coach got credit during one of her medical leaves.

Individual games (except for suspensions) I have no problem with. Vivian has missed a couple of games at Rutgers (her Mother's illness / death last year, her son's injury early in her RU career) and received credit for the results. However, her 1 game suspension some years back, per NCAA rules, was credited to Carlene Mitchell.
 
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As of the morning of 12/30:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 10 = 990 (next: 12/30 @ Az St)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 10 = 985 (next: 12/30 v SC St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 03 = 974 (next: 12/31 v Pn St)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 10 = 967 (next: 12/31)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 12 = 967 (next: 1/1 @ UCF)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
As of the morning of 12/31:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 11 = 991 (next: 1/1 @ Az)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/2 @ Fla St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 03 = 974 (next: 12/31 v Pn St)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 10 = 967 (next: 12/31)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 12 = 967 (next: 1/1 @ UCF)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
I expect Geno to become #1 in March of 2020. He will need something like 32 wins that year, give or take. That should be very doable with Crystal Dangerfield, Walker, Collier, Coombs, AEH and Gordon.

Tara is the only one who could conceivably keep up. But with the resurgent PAC 12 I don't see her averaging 30 wins a year.
 
Rutgers won and Bentley lost meaning Geno can move ahead of Stevens next week.

As of the morning of 1/1:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 11 = 991 (next: 1/1 @ Az)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/2 @ VaTech, 1/5 v Fla St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 04 = 975 (next: 1/4 Wisconsin, 1/7 @ Ill)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 10 = 967 (next: 1/1, 1/7)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 12 = 967 (next: 1/1 @ UCF, 1/4 ECU)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
As of the morning of 1/2:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 12 = 992 (next: 1/6 Ore, 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @ Ut, 1/15 @ Col)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/2 @ VaTech, 1/5 Fla St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 04 = 975 (next: 1/4 Wisconsin, 1/7 @ Ill)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (next: 1/7, 1/11, 1/14)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 13 = 968 (next: 1/4 ECU, 1/10 USF, 1/14 @SMU)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
vowelguy said:
As of the morning of 1/2:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 12 = 992 (next: 1/6 Ore, 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @ Ut, 1/15 @ Col)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/2 @ VaTech, 1/5 Fla St)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 04 = 975 (next: 1/4 Wisconsin, 1/7 @ Ill)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (next: 1/7, 1/11, 1/14)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 13 = 968 (next: 1/4 ECU, 1/10 USF, 1/14 @SMU)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/19 @ Louisville (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/24 @ E Carolina (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
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These results can be trusted.
Please do not trust the Wikipedia results where Tara is at 991 and Geno has been updated to 968.
The Mr IP address is no longer updating Geno but someone called Holdenpi (probably Mr IP Address under a new name) is now working on the list.
 
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stwainfan said:
I wonder how many more wins. That Pat would have had. Had she not gotten health problems.
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She was 60 when she stepped down in 2012. If she coached another 5 years she would have no doubt added 120-150 wins to her resume - easily eclipsing the 1200-win plateau.
 
UcMiami said:
Barbara Stevens did coach D1 for 3 years - not sure exactly how the NCAA tracks records, but it seems to be any D1 coaching makes their record a 'D1' record - UMass 83-86
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According to the NCAA Record Book, a coach that moves to another NCAA division level program must remain for 5 consecutive seasons, at which point all their cumulative records move with them to their current Division. For example, Joe Foley, the coach of AR-Little Rock, coached for 20 years at a Div II program before coming to Div I UALR in the mid-2000's. A significant portion of his current 728 wins occurred at the Div II level, but he is accorded all wins in his head coaching career as a Div I coach since he has been at Div I for over 9 years. Barbara Stevens remains officially listed as a Div II coach - she tops the all-time list for Division II, but she falls to 5-6th all-time for all division levels.
 
As of the morning of 1/3:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 12 = 992 (next: 1/6 Ore, 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @ Ut, 1/15 @ Col)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/5 FSU, 1/8 Va, 1/13 @ Duke)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 04 = 975 (next: 1/4 Wisc, 1/7 @ Ill)
  5. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (next: 1/7, 1/11, 1/14)
  6. Geno ..... 955 + 13 = 968 (next: 1/4 ECU, 1/10 USF, 1/14 @SMU)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/23 @ NC St (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 1/28 Houston (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
chuck.r said:
According to the NCAA Record Book, a coach that moves to another NCAA division level program must remain for 5 consecutive seasons, at which point all their cumulative records move with them to their current Division. For example, Joe Foley, the coach of AR-Little Rock, coached for 20 years at a Div II program before coming to Div I UALR in the mid-2000's. A significant portion of his current 728 wins occurred at the Div II level, but he is accorded all wins in his head coaching career as a Div I coach since he has been at Div I for over 9 years. Barbara Stevens remains officially listed as a Div II coach - she tops the all-time list for Division II, but she falls to 5-6th all-time for all division levels.
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well now this make sense, but still 5 years playing D-1 then getting 35+ years playing D-2 wouldn't be fair to all the other coaches in D-1. I realize this a very odd rare situation.
Thanks for your clarification.
 
As of the morning of 1/5:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 12 = 992 (next: 1/6 Ore, 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @Ut, 1/15 @Col)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/5 FSU, 1/8 Va, 1/13 @ Duke)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 05 = 976 (next: 1/7 @Ill, 1/10 @Neb, 1/14 MichSt)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 14 = 969 (next: 1/10 USF, 1/14 @SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (next: 1/7, 1/11, 1/14)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest games these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/23 @ NC St (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 2/1 @ Temple (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
CVS with 2 in a row, while Geno has temporarily moved ahead of Stevens. They will likely alternate between being tied and Geno ahead by 1 for a little while.
Rutgers has several more winnable games in the weeks ahead, so Geno's move into the top 4 will take at least another month.
 
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As of the morning of 1/6:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 12 = 992 (next: 1/6 Ore, 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @Ut, 1/15 @Col)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (next: 1/8 Va, 1/12 @Duke, 1/15 @Pitt, 1/19 Wake)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 05 = 976 (next: 1/7 @Ill, 1/10 @Neb, 1/14 MichSt)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 14 = 969 (next: 1/10 USF, 1/14 @SMU)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (next: 1/7, 1/11, 1/14)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/26 Duke (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 2/1 @ Temple (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
As of the morning of 1/7:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 13 = 993 (nxt: 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @Ut, . 1/15 @Col, . 1/20 Ariz)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (nxt: 1/8 Va, .. 1/12 @Duke, 1/15 @Pitt,. 1/19 Wake)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 05 = 976 (nxt: 1/7 @ Ill, 1/10 @Neb,. 1/14 MichSt, 1/17 Iowa)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 14 = 969 (nxt: ......... 1/10 USF, . 1/14 @SMU, . 1/17 @Tlsa)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 11 = 968 (nxt: 1/7, ''''' 1/11, ..... 1/14, ...... 1/18)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/26 Duke (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 2/1 @ Temple (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
trb123 said:
BY (myself included) have (collective noun plural verb is probably correct) always appreciated Tara's altruism during the 1995-96 season. Only if we could get her to acknowledge doing a job on Rebecca Lobo simultaneously.
I too do not like the practice of getting credit for a win that one did not coach. If yelling would fix it, I would very gladly do it as well.

I wonder if you knew that CD coached a few games and Geno has been credited with the victories. Why don't you let charity begin at home.
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Trb, I have something from memory lane that may comfort you: In the movie "Patton," Patton, while meeting his new aide, Lt. Colonel Charles R, Codman, points out that is own G2 section has indicated his disappointment that his (Patton's) troops just won a battle while Rommel was in Germany. Codman points out that surely Rommel surely planned the attack. "If you defeat Rommel's plan, you defeat Rommel."

I am willing to give the head coach credit if a team s/he formed, recruited, and trained, coached by an assistant coach well versed in her/his game practices. "If you defeat NC, you defeat Hatchell."

"If you lose to UCONN, you lose to Auriemma."
 
Oldbones said:
Trb, I have something from memory lane that may comfort you: In the movie "Patton," Patton, while meeting his new aide, Lt. Colonel Charles R, Codman, points out that is own G2 section has indicated his disappointment that his (Patton's) troops just won a battle while Rommel was in Germany. Codman points out that surely Rommel surely planned the attack. "If you defeat Rommel's plan, you defeat Rommel."

I am willing to give the head coach credit if a team s/he formed, recruited, and trained, coached by an assistant coach well versed in her/his game practices. "If you defeat NC, you defeat Hatchell."

"If you lose to UCONN, you lose to Auriemma."
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Interesting way to look at it.

Heckuva movie, wasn't it?
 
HuskyNan said:
? The Husky men were banned from post-season play because of text messages sent to a guy that never played a single game at UConn. And the four time national championship winning UConn men are considered blue bloods.
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That's not correct. The men were banned from the NCAAs in 2013 for a deficient APR rating. There were other penalties, including a three game suspension in 2012 for Jim Calhoun, due to the Nate Miles' recruiting violations. Ironically, the recruiting rules violated have since been repealed by the NCAA.
 
As of the morning of 1/8:
  1. Summitt . 1098
  2. Tara ..... 980 + 13 = 993 (nxt: 1/8 OreSt, 1/13 @Ut, . 1/15 @Col, . 1/20 Ariz)
  3. Hatchell . 975 + 11 = 986 (nxt: 1/8 Va ... 1/12 @Duke, 1/15 @Pitt,. 1/19 Wake)
  4. Stringer . 971 + 05 = 976 (nxt: .... ..... 1/10 @Neb,. 1/14 MichSt, 1/17 Iowa)
  5. Geno ..... 955 + 14 = 969 (nxt: .... ..... 1/10 USF, . 1/14 @SMU, . 1/17 @Tlsa)
  6. Stevens .. 957 + 12 = 969 (nxt: .... ..... 1/11, ..... 1/14, .. ... 1/18)
  7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:
  • Tara hits 1000 -- 1/29 @ Washington (My guess: 2/19 v Cal)
  • Hatchell hits 1000 -- 2/26 Duke (My guess: not this year)
  • Geno ties CVS -- 2/1 @ Temple (My guess: 2/5 v Tulsa)
 
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