Coaching wins

[j66kicker]

No particular reason I can see to hate her - she was relatively recent NC coach, didn't want inexperienced players (as noted, she apparently wasn't all that fond of McCray either) and thought she would get her way. A lot of coaches in her position might indeed get their way (I suspect Van and Geno almost certainly got there way, I suspect Coach K on the men's side likewise), but she didn't. She gave up a lot to coach the team (a year from Stanford), I don't think the gold medal was as "assured" as we think it is now, and all in all, especially given the publicity surrounding Lobo, she just didn't want to deal with it.

It doesn't make her a horrible person, I'm sure we could find additional similar cases involving a variety of coaches in a variety of sports. In some cases, it can come back to bite you, either because you lose and they blame you for not taking advantage of so-and-so or you end up needing so-and-so and they prove you wrong. In the end, this was a no harm, no foul situation.

I have a lot of respect for Tara as a coach. She has beaten UConn several times with lesser talent. And she did do an admirable job with that Olympic team. This reminiscing just dredged up an old wound, that's all.

 

[j66kicker]

We are looking at a mix of excellence and longevity. Pete Rose, usually leading off and playing a longer annual season than Ty Cobb and playing until age 45, had 2619 more at-bats than Cobb to accumulate his 65 extra hits.

No argument. Kudos to Tara for the longevity and the excellence. But the one year off doesn't impress me, as in "she has done this (roughly = to and slightly ahead of Geno's wins) in spite of taking a year off...", when she has been an NCAA head coach 7 years longer than Geno.

 

[Bestiarius]

Tara and Geno within 2 !

As of the morning of 1/29:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara ..... 980 + 18 = 998 (nxt: 1/29 @WA, 2/3 USC , 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 12 = 987 (nxt: 1/29 NCSt, .... ... 2/5 @Clm, 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 1/29 Nw , 2/2 @Ia , ..... ... 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
5. Geno ..... 955 + 20 = 975 (nxt: .... ..... 2/1 @Tmp, 2/5 TLSA, 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 17 = 974 (nxt: .... ..... 2/1, .... 2/4, .... 2/8, .... 2/11)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• Tara hits 1000 -- 2/03 USC .(My guess: 2/10 Col)
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GenoA ties CVS -- 2/05 Tlsa (My guess: 2/7 @Cin)
• GA ties Htchll -- AAC Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

Let's look at the other aspects of the Pat Summitt chase.

Total games coached:
Hatchell 1339
Stringer 1331
Summitt 1306
Tara 1226
Stevens 1225
Foster 1210
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1109

Geno is so far down the list of games coached because he has lost so many fewer games than anyone else, 134 versus Pat Summit's second place number of 208.

Perhaps the most impressive of all these stats belongs to Geno. If he could maintain his current win percentage, by the time he loses the number of games Pat Summitt recorded, he would have over 500 more wins than Pat. (1600 wins 208 losses 1808 games = .884 Win %)

Of course he would have to coach another 20 or so years to play that number of games, but the example illustrates how few games Geno has garnered, and his win percentage is going up every year he coaches.

 

[Vowelguy]

geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

 

[DefenseBB]

geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

geno ties cvs for 4th!

As of the morning of 2/6:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/6 UCLA, 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr)
4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN)
5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: .. 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: .. 2/8, .... 2/11)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.

 

[trb123]

Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.

A bit of caution while counting chickens does no harm.

 

[DefenseBB]

Ok, let's stick to just the math- UConn has 7 AAC, 3 AACTourney games for sure; 4 games to Elite 8 makes 14. Hatchell is 11 ahead. He catches her this year. No jinx regardless of silly superstition.

 

[Vowelguy]

Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, ... Why do you doubt it to be this year?

Read my post again. I say I expect Geno to tie Hatchell during the NCAAs.

 

[DefenseBB]

Read my post again. I say I expect Geno to tie Hatchell during the NCAAs.

Doh! Linked your 1000 comment to the GA comment. My bad. Thank you. I really thought you were "off" and I was worried, now I have to worry about myself...

 

[chuck.r]

Let's look at the other aspects of the Pat Summitt chase.

Total games coached:
Hatchell 1339
Stringer 1331
Summitt 1306
Tara 1226
Stevens 1225
Foster 1210
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1109

Geno is so far down the list of games coached because he has lost so many fewer games than anyone else, 134 versus Pat Summit's second place number of 208.

Perhaps the most impressive of all these stats belongs to Geno. If he could maintain his current win percentage, by the time he loses the number of games Pat Summitt recorded, he would have over 500 more wins than Pat. (1600 wins 208 losses 1808 games = .884 Win %)

Of course he would have to coach another 20 or so years to play that number of games, but the example illustrates how few games Geno has garnered, and his win percentage is going up every year he coaches.

Your total games coached need a little updating. As of Feb 5:
Stringer 1360
Hatchell 1356
Summitt 1306
Stevens 1248
VanDerveer 1228
Foster 1211
Conrandt 1209
Auriemma 1111

The win percentage you indicated (.884) is his conference regular season win %; his overall win % is slightly lower, .879.

Auriemma will catch and surpass Summitt's all-time wins mark in fewer games coached than her 1306, precisely due, as you note, to his remarkable low total of losses (134) over his 32-year career.

 

[Vowelguy]

Ok Vowel, if Geno is 11 behind Hatchell, he has 17 games left if they make it to the Nat Champ. Hatchell has one win left on her schedule (BC) and maybe one game they could win(GT). They will lose in first round of the ACC Tourn. Geno will catch and pass her in the Tournaments 2nd or 3rd round game. Why do you doubt it to be this year? Do you really think she can win 6 games to delay it- they are 2-8 in conference play and just lost to Clemson.

Geno has 16 games max this year. Keep in mind that unc will likely get a wnit bid so long as they finish .500 (win 2 more games).

 

[Vowelguy]

As of the morning of 2/7:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara ..... 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
4. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
5. Geno ..... 955 + 22 = 977 (nxt: 2/7 @Cin, 2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: 2/8, .....2/11, .... 2/15, .... 2/21)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

 

[Vowelguy]

Geno moves ahead of CVS and solely into 4th place! And just 10 games behind Hatchell.

As of the morning of 2/8:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .... .... 2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 19 = 976 (nxt: 2/8, .....2/11, ... .2/15, .... 2/21)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
• Stevens ties CVS -- 2/8 (My guess: 2/8)

 

[MilfordHusky]

My prediction: Geno and Tara both pass Pat within 1-2 weeks of each other.

 

[triaddukefan]

Geno has 16 games max this year. Keep in mind that unc will likely get a wnit bid so long as they finish .500 (win 2 more games).

Boston College, @Syracuse, GaTech, @Louisville, @State, Duke.

Where do you see them getting two more wins from? Even if they won two...... Im not so sure they would accept an WNIT bid. They have declined them in the past.

 

[Vowelguy]

Boston College, @Syracuse, GaTech, @Louisville, @State, Duke.

Where do you see them getting two more wins from? Even if they won two. Im not so sure they would accept an WNIT bid. They have declined them in the past.

BC and either GT or 1st round of ACCT are possible wins.
With a team of almost all frosh and soph (1 jr & 1 sr), I'm guessing she'll want the extra practice time, and also to give them some postseason experience since they werent invited last year.

 

[triaddukefan]

BC and either GT or 1st round of ACCT are possible wins.
With a team of almost all frosh and soph (1 jr & 1 sr), I'm guessing she'll want the extra practice time, and also to give them some postseason experience since they werent invited last year.

You have more faith in the tarheels than I do

 

[MilfordHusky]

You have more faith in the tarheels than I do

Everyone has more faith in the Tarheels than you do, even if it's infinitesimally little.

 

[Vowelguy]

You have more faith in the tarheels than I do

All I said was "possible." I hope they lose, but I have no faith in BC and consider that a gimme.

 

[MilfordHusky]

All I said was "possible." I hope they lose, but I have no faith in BC and consider that a gimme.

Count me as someone else who has no faith in BC. If they had any self-respect, they would drop out of the ACC and petition to join the AAC.

 

[triaddukefan]

Everyone has more faith in the Tarheels than you do, even if it's infinitesimally little.

All I said was "possible." I hope they lose, but I have no faith in BC and consider that a gimme.

I suspect they will find a way to beat Boston College. But I think they will lose to GaTech. The rest of their games they are liable to get monkey stomped

 

[Vowelguy]

Barbara Stevens has moved into a tie with CVS with a win earlier in the evening. Can Rutgers win and put CVS back ahead (and tied with Geno)?

As of the 7pm on 2/8:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: ... ... ..2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: 2/8 Ind , 2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: ... ... ..2/11, .. ..2/15, ... .2/21)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)
• Stevens ties CVS -- 2/8 (My guess: 2/8)

 

[Vowelguy]

Rutgers loses again.

As of the morning of 2/9:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: 2/9 BC,.. 2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11, .. ..2/15, .. .2/21)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAAs)

 

[Vowelguy]

I suspect they will find a way to beat Boston College. But I think they will lose to GaTech. The rest of their games they are liable to get monkey stomped

BC leads UNC late in game. Am anxiously awaiting your gloating meme.

 

[Vowelguy]

UNC loses again; their postseason chances are dwindling. Geno Increasingly likely to surpass her this year.

As of the morning of 2/10:

1. Summitt . 1098
2. Tara .. .. 980 + 20 =1000 (nxt: 2/10 Col, 2/12 UT,.. 2/16 @Cal, 2/19 Cal)
3. Hatchell . 975 + 13 = 988 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/12 @Syr, 2/16 GaT,. 2/19 @Lou)
4. Geno .. .. 955 + 23 = 978 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 SMU,. 2/13 SC, . 2/18 @Tul)
5. Stringer . 971 + 06 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11 @MN,. 2/15 Pur,. 2/18 @WI)
6. Stevens .. 957 + 20 = 977 (nxt: .. .. .. .2/11, .. ..2/15, .. .2/21)
7. Conradt .. 900

Earliest these could happen:

• TaraV ties PHS -- 2019-20 season
• Hatchell @1000 -- Postseason (My guess: not this year)
• GA ties Htchll -- NCAA Trnmt (My guess: NCAA)