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It's too bad the Celtics hadn't hung onto Bradley, because I think Cleveland would have gladly taken Bradley back in a deal over Thomas.
 
Stairmaster said:
The voices inside his head.
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I wanted him to say Broussard so I could

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Can't believe Danny caved. This is a C-/D deal.
 
The truth of the severity of IT's injury means that his value was significantly lessened (considering he's on a 1 year contract and was essentially unsignable by the C's for the long-term). Makes the first trade reflect in a better light on the Celts end. A future 2nd in the Celts future peak window is about as meaningless as it gets, and does not bring the trade much closer to the original valuation we had of the trade.
 
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2020 2nd round pick is more than likely a Dleaguer so that isn't a horrible add in.
 
polycom said:
2020 2nd round pick is more than likely a Dleaguer so that isn't a horrible add in.
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Looking at Miami, that pick could easily end up in the top 40. They're capped out and older than you think.
 
the Q said:
Looking at Miami, that pick could easily end up in the top 40. They're capped out and older than you think.
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I'd love to see %'s on what could happen because I think it's safe to say that in 2020 the Celts will be a top team in the east...
 
polycom said:
I'd love to see %'s on what could happen because I think it's safe to say that in 2020 the Celts will be a top team in the east...
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There's just as big of a chance the're 3rd.

They traded a KG level package to get the Ray Allen of their big 3.

This team still needs the KG.
 
InKembaITrust said:
Anthony Davis.
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Here's the thing.

Because we saw the decline I don't think we fully appreciate KG.

In the 538 article I posted, KG was worth almost as much per 100 possessions as Cousins and Brown combined (7.8 in 08 v. 8.6 for Brow/Cousins duo).

Brow is probably going to have a HOF carer. But he isn't quite that caliber yet.
 
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the Q said:
Here's the thing.

Because we saw the decline I don't think we fully appreciate KG.

In the 538 article I posted, KG was worth almost as much per 100 possessions as Cousins and Brown combined (7.8 in 08 v. 8.6 for Brow/Cousins duo).

Brow is probably going to have a HOF carer. But he isn't quite that caliber yet.
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I feel this comparison is beside the point. The debate here is what player at this point in their career is going to put the Celts over the hump and match the age timeline with their other stars. I think everyone can agree Anthony Davis is the guy. He fits that young, skilled, rim-protecting big man they've needed for the past several seasons. Bringing him in as Horford declines is the most logical move.

By the end of Anthony Davis' career I think many could make the argument he'll have a slightly better career than KG. Their #s are already very similar, other than the fact that KG was a better passer. Davis is 24 years old with his best basketball ahead of him, stick him in Stevens offense who knows what his ceiling will be. Now that they've just added Kyrie it makes Boston an even more attractive destination for young, top-tier talent. God knows AD will be sick of playing in NO by the end of this season.

As for the Celts moves, I'll take Kyrie/Hayward/Young Tatum w/ all the potential in the world OVER Isaiah/Crowder/Bradley any day of the week. Not to mention we still have Jaylen whom I was extremely high on the day we drafted him. Danny's making the right calls and molding this team into a dynasty that should take form in the next season or 2.

AD is the key tho
 
InKembaITrust said:
I feel this comparison is beside the point. The debate here is what player at this point in their career is going to put the Celts over the hump and match the age timeline with their other stars. I think everyone can agree Anthony Davis is the guy. He fits that young, skilled, rim-protecting big man they've needed for the past several seasons. Bringing him in as Horford declines is the most logical move.

By the end of Anthony Davis' career I think many could make the argument he'll have a slightly better career than KG. Their #s are already very similar, other than the fact that KG was a better passer. Davis is 24 years old with his best basketball ahead of him, stick him in Stevens offense who knows what his ceiling will be. Now that they've just added Kyrie it makes Boston an even more attractive destination for young, top-tier talent. God knows AD will be sick of playing in NO by the end of this season.

As for the Celts moves, I'll take Kyrie/Hayward/Young Tatum w/ all the potential in the world OVER Isaiah/Crowder/Bradley any day of the week. Not to mention we still have Jaylen whom I was extremely high on the day we drafted him. Danny's making the right calls and molding this team into a dynasty that should take form in the next season or 2.

AD is the key tho
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Isn't AD locked up until 2020? Need a trade or AD demand to get out
 
InKembaITrust said:
I feel this comparison is beside the point. The debate here is what player at this point in their career is going to put the Celts over the hump and match the age timeline with their other stars. I think everyone can agree Anthony Davis is the guy. He fits that young, skilled, rim-protecting big man they've needed for the past several seasons. Bringing him in as Horford declines is the most logical move.

By the end of Anthony Davis' career I think many could make the argument he'll have a slightly better career than KG. Their #s are already very similar, other than the fact that KG was a better passer. Davis is 24 years old with his best basketball ahead of him, stick him in Stevens offense who knows what his ceiling will be. Now that they've just added Kyrie it makes Boston an even more attractive destination for young, top-tier talent. God knows AD will be sick of playing in NO by the end of this season.

As for the Celts moves, I'll take Kyrie/Hayward/Young Tatum w/ all the potential in the world OVER Isaiah/Crowder/Bradley any day of the week. Not to mention we still have Jaylen whom I was extremely high on the day we drafted him. Danny's making the right calls and molding this team into a dynasty that should take form in the next season or 2.

AD is the key tho
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don't get me wrong, I want AD and think he is a key piece.

But he's not on KG's level yet. So we shouldn't be expecting that.
 
djct1999 said:
Whatever grade Danny received, adding a second rounder doesn't move the needle. It was a throw in.
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I agree, the Celtics have so many picks sitting on roster and in future that a 2nd rounder is close to irrelevant for them.

I can see both sides of this deal and am definitely really sad to see Isaiah go. But I see the logic and making the bet on Kyrie to improve is a gamble worth taking. Whether the trade is a W-L for the Cavs vs Celtics comes down to two things
1. Is LeBron staying - if he is, and IF this helps him stay in Cleveland it was a horrible trade
2. Is the Net's pick top 2 or 3 depending on how many blue-chippers are in the 2018 draft. If the Cavs get such a player it becomes a potential $hitshow of a trade for Boston.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
I agree, the Celtics have so many picks sitting on roster and in future that a 2nd rounder is close to irrelevant for them.

I can see both sides of this deal and am definitely really sad to see Isaiah go. But I see the logic and making the bet on Kyrie to improve is a gamble worth taking. Whether the trade is a W-L for the Cavs vs Celtics comes down to two things
1. Is LeBron staying - if he is, and IF this helps him stay in Cleveland it was a horrible trade
2. Is the Net's pick top 2 or 3 depending on how many blue-chippers are in the 2018 draft. If the Cavs get such a player it becomes a potential $hitshow of a trade for Boston.
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Gotta add in #3: Kyrie actually plays like the top 10 player level that Danny paid for.

Cause he's not even close to that yet.
 
the Q said:
Can't believe Danny caved. This is a C-/D deal.
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Caved? Giving up a 2020 2nd Rounder? He needed to give the Cavs something for the deal to go down so they could save face.

But the Celts "won" this part of the deal.

This was amateur hour on the part of the Cavs.
 
nomar said:
Caved? Giving up a 2020 2nd Rounder? He needed to give the Cavs something for the deal to go down so they could save face.

But the Celts "won" this part of the deal.

This was amateur hour on the part of the Cavs.
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Giving up more to guarantee you get schooled by a rookie gm is caving.

They would've been better off letting the deal fall apart. Brooklyn never should've been a part of this discussion.
 
the Q said:
Giving up more to guarantee you get schooled by a rookie gm is caving.

They would've been better off letting the deal fall apart. Brooklyn never should've been a part of this discussion.
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What constituted a good deal when it was made and what constituted a good deal after the Celtis alienated a guy with his heart on his sleeve and a chip on his shoulder (two guys, actually) are two very, very different things. You realize that, right?

Altman got schooled. "We want Tatum." "You'll get a guy from Oregon State who'll never play a day in the NBA." "Deal."

It's not really his fault--reports are that Gilbert was driving the bus--but he ain't winning any Executive of the Year awards for this. It's a good deal for the Cavs but he looks like a clown. You trade for a guy you know is injured, you leak and allow to be implied all kinds of explosive stuff even though the player passes the physical, and then after all that you take a meaningless future pick? Not a good look.
 
the Q said:
Looking at Miami, that pick could easily end up in the top 40. They're capped out and older than you think.
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Aside from Horford what relevant player on this current Celts team wont either be squarely in their prime or on the upward trajectory toward their prime?
 
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nomar said:
What constituted a good deal when it was made and what constituted a good deal after the Celtis alienated a guy with his heart on his sleeve and a chip on his shoulder (two guys, actually) are two very, very different things. You realize that, right?

Altman got schooled. "We want Tatum." "You'll get a guy from Oregon State who'll never play a day in the NBA." "Deal."

It's not really his fault--reports are that Gilbert was driving the bus--but he ain't winning any Executive of the Year awards for this. It's a good deal for the Cavs but he looks like a clown. You trade for a guy you know is injured, you leak and allow to be implied all kinds of explosive stuff even though the player passes the physical, and then after all that you take a meaningless future pick? Not a good look.
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Disagree.

They're professionals and IT has way too much on the line to sulk.

Crowder goes form starting to a bench player in CLe. I doubt he'd be nearly as angry as others think.

The clippers pick max should've been the pick in this deal, especially when paired with zizic .
 
NielsisGood said:
Aside from Horford what relevant player on this current Celts team wont either be squarely in their prime or on the upward trajectory toward their prime?
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And in 2-3 years when GS may be vulnerable...now it's horford and Hayward.
 
NielsisGood said:
Hayward will be 29 in 2 years.
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And will be in his decline phase already. He'll still be good, but not this year or last year good
 
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