OT: Celtics / Cavs megadeal

[JSM1970]

sounds close. Kyrie for IT, Jae & picks

No other specifics yet

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Draft pick could be the key. My guess is Cleveland wants that 2018 1st round pick which is probably a lottery pick. Still, I think it's a no-brainer for Boston. Would make them top dog in east when Lebron leaves (or even this year).

 

[auror]

If CLE trades with Boston then LeBron is 100% leaving after this year. I know people in the know seem to take it as a near certainty, but this would confirm it from the team perspective. You don't deal a young star to your rival if you intend to be good during the time he is in prime.

 

[Jerry1714]

Do not include Tatum under any circumstance.

 

[Jerry1714]

Done deal. IT, Crowder, Zizic and the 2018 nets pick

 

[Huskyforlife]

Wow Boston, that was stupid.

 

[tzznandrew]

Done deal. IT, Crowder, Zizic and the 2018 nets pick

Wish it were the Lakers/Sacto pick. But can't include Tatum.

You can't win a title with IT as your 1 or 2. We know you can with Irving.

 

[tzznandrew]

IT isn't worth max money. Crowder is replaceable. They have a lottery pick coming up.

If Irving is healthy--and that's the obvious danger!--then an Irving-Haywood-Tatum-Brown core is really good. It's the Nets pick that's the issue to me. Give up the Lakers/Clippers/anything else...

 

[djct1999]

IT isn't worth max money. Crowder is replaceable. They have a lottery pick coming up.

If Irving is healthy--and that's the obvious danger!--then an Irving-Haywood-Tatum-Brown core is really good. It's the Nets pick that's the issue to me. Give up the Lakers/Clippers/anything else...

The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.

 

[the Q]

The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.

Bingo.

 

[tzznandrew]

The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.

It may or may not be. But they do have another Lotto pick, and IT was about to become a long term problem for the team. I honestly didn't want him to be in a long term contract for the Celtics. Now they get Irving instead?

If Tatum is what many think he is, and they get the Lakers pick, they'll be just fine.

 

[Walker11]

I can not believe they included the Nets pick! Wow. I don't think the Lakers pick is going to convey, which would mean the Celtics will be getting the SAC pick in 19, which is not a lock for the top 5 and who knows how good that class is. Horford is falling off and next years class is incredibly loaded with bigs. I don't hate it - getting off IT was necessary but in comparison to the deals for Butler and PG, this seems a bit much.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Ha, is this a joke?

If you think this is a bad trade for your Boston you are brain dead.

You got a slightly better IT for IT Crowder and a top 5 pick in a super top loaded draft next year. Irving is barley an upgrade over Thomas.

 

[NEforceUConn]

Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.

 

[Jerry1714]

Bingo.

The Nets picks could be a stud or could be a dud. Lot of questions in the upcoming draft class. Promise you none of them are better players than Kyrie

 

[FartMan69]

Seriously arguing over the Brooklyn pick? They just picked up a young already proven superstar for a team ready to win now. That lottery pick isn't getting them to the Finals next year, Kyrie is.

 

[the Q]

The Nets picks could be a stud or could be a dud. Lot of questions in the upcoming draft class. Promise you none of them are better players than Kyrie

i'll take that bet.

 

[Jerry1714]

You got a slightly better IT for IT Crowder and a top 5 pick in a super top loaded draft next year. Irving is barley an upgrade over Thomas.

The fact you think that Irving is barely an upgrade over Thomas tells me all I need to know about your opinion. That statement is laughably stupid.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.

You like this deal because your GM sucks at drafting?

 

[the Q]

Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.

no chance.

the diff btw IT and Kyrie isn't even Crowder's deal.

massive overpay.

 

[Huskyforlife]

The fact you think that Irving is barely an upgrade over Thomas tells me all I need to know about your opinion. That statement is laughably stupid.

What besides defense does Irving do better than Thomas?

 

[ivrytontusker]

You don't deal a young star to your rival

They traded Irving to GSW?

 

[tzznandrew]

The fact you think that Irving is barely an upgrade over Thomas tells me all I need to know about your opinion. That statement is laughably stupid.

Yeah, I like IT a lot. A fun player. But Irving >>> Thomas. It isn't actually close.

I don't love giving up the Nets pick, but he's taller, better, and 3 years younger.

 

[Jerry1714]

What besides defense does Irving do better than Thomas?

You serious? I mean really?

IT has been a good player in this league for 2 years, Kyrie has been an All Star since his 2nd year. Kyrie is 3 years younger, signed for 3 years,

One is a 30% 3 point shooter in the playoffs and one is over 40%.

I can go on and on but honestly anyone with a brain knows the two players are not close

 

[Huskyforlife]

You know the best part? Irving might not re-sign with Boston.