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sounds close. Kyrie for IT, Jae & picks

No other specifics yet
 
Draft pick could be the key. My guess is Cleveland wants that 2018 1st round pick which is probably a lottery pick. Still, I think it's a no-brainer for Boston. Would make them top dog in east when Lebron leaves (or even this year).
 
If CLE trades with Boston then LeBron is 100% leaving after this year. I know people in the know seem to take it as a near certainty, but this would confirm it from the team perspective. You don't deal a young star to your rival if you intend to be good during the time he is in prime.
 
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Jerry1714 said:
Done deal. IT, Crowder, Zizic and the 2018 nets pick
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Wish it were the Lakers/Sacto pick. But can't include Tatum.

You can't win a title with IT as your 1 or 2. We know you can with Irving.
 
IT isn't worth max money. Crowder is replaceable. They have a lottery pick coming up.

If Irving is healthy--and that's the obvious danger!--then an Irving-Haywood-Tatum-Brown core is really good. It's the Nets pick that's the issue to me. Give up the Lakers/Clippers/anything else...
 
tzznandrew said:
IT isn't worth max money. Crowder is replaceable. They have a lottery pick coming up.

If Irving is healthy--and that's the obvious danger!--then an Irving-Haywood-Tatum-Brown core is really good. It's the Nets pick that's the issue to me. Give up the Lakers/Clippers/anything else...
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The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.
 
djct1999 said:
The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.
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Bingo.
 
djct1999 said:
The Nets pick should be the issue to you. Its going to be a top 4 pick. Who cares about the rest. That pick shouldn't have been included.
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It may or may not be. But they do have another Lotto pick, and IT was about to become a long term problem for the team. I honestly didn't want him to be in a long term contract for the Celtics. Now they get Irving instead?

If Tatum is what many think he is, and they get the Lakers pick, they'll be just fine.
 
I can not believe they included the Nets pick! Wow. I don't think the Lakers pick is going to convey, which would mean the Celtics will be getting the SAC pick in 19, which is not a lock for the top 5 and who knows how good that class is. Horford is falling off and next years class is incredibly loaded with bigs. I don't hate it - getting off IT was necessary but in comparison to the deals for Butler and PG, this seems a bit much.
 
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Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.
 
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NEforceUConn said:
Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.
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You like this deal because your GM sucks at drafting?
 
NEforceUConn said:
Irving may be one of the top 7 players in the league and is 25. Yes Celts gave up some pieces but as one mentioned IT is not worth max and Crowder is replaceable. So you can look at it as giving up a potential no1 pick for Irving - that's a no brainer.

And by the way Ainge's draft pick record - eh not so hot. I like Boston in this one.
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no chance.

the diff btw IT and Kyrie isn't even Crowder's deal.

massive overpay.
 
Jerry1714 said:
The fact you think that Irving is barely an upgrade over Thomas tells me all I need to know about your opinion. That statement is laughably stupid.
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What besides defense does Irving do better than Thomas?
 
Jerry1714 said:
The fact you think that Irving is barely an upgrade over Thomas tells me all I need to know about your opinion. That statement is laughably stupid.
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Yeah, I like IT a lot. A fun player. But Irving >>> Thomas. It isn't actually close.

I don't love giving up the Nets pick, but he's taller, better, and 3 years younger.
 
Huskyforlife said:
What besides defense does Irving do better than Thomas?
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You serious? I mean really?

IT has been a good player in this league for 2 years, Kyrie has been an All Star since his 2nd year. Kyrie is 3 years younger, signed for 3 years,

One is a 30% 3 point shooter in the playoffs and one is over 40%.

I can go on and on but honestly anyone with a brain knows the two players are not close
 
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the Q said:
i'll take that bet.
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So there is a guy you would bet on being going to 4 All star games in their first 6 years, win Rookie of the year, a title, all star game MVP, and average 24 and 5 while shooting 46% from the field in 51 playoff games?

Can I be your bookie because you must lose a ton of money gambling.
 
Going out on a limb that the trade doesn't occur without Bron Bron's consent?
 
Jerry1714 said:
You serious? I mean really?

IT has been a good player in this league for 2 years, Kyrie has been an All Star since his 2nd year. Kyrie is 3 years younger, signed for 3 years,

One is a 30% 3 point shooter in the playoffs and one is over 40%.

I can go on and on but honestly anyone with a brain knows the two players are not close
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Irving is better than Thomas, but a top 5 pick better? Plus throwing in two solid role players, without the guarantee if he'll resign?
 
Wow. Discuss.

I have many thoughts on it, I'll save em for right now to see what everyone else thinks.

I'm simply a casual basketball fan.

Kyrie to Boston; IT, Crowder, Zizic and Brooklyn's first in 2018. Cleveland did ok for everyone knowing Kyrie was on the way out.
 
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