Big East OOC 2.0

[tzznandrew]

KO offered a lot of offensive freedom and ran pro sets. Those sets were harder to run for CBB players, and so there really wasn't a year where the offense was as efficient as the defense. The 2016 team—which should have been Top 10 with all the talent it had—had the 12th ranked defense but the 59th ranked offense.

This is not because KO didn't run an offense, though, despite what people who don't know basketball said. It's because the type of offense he ran was probably not the type of offense best suited to the players on given team. Even the Shabazz team didn't have a Top 30 offense in terms of efficiency. But when it all clicked... well, we see where that team ended up and should appropriately judge the potential of KO's offense.

 

[UCFan1513]

Root for Iowa State or St. John’s tomorrow? Feels like a toss up

 

[navery12]

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Yes we won. And in that game we had 8 assists on 22 made baskets

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Yes we won. And in that game we had 8 assists on 22 made baskets

Holy ____. Are we now criticizing Ollie for the team’s performance while beating Kentucky to win the national championship?

If so, this could be the most embarrassing post in the history of the internet.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It’s completely deserved

Just say “you’re welcome” and get back to melting down every chat.

 

[KingAG]

Holy ____. Are we now criticizing Ollie for the team’s performance while beating Kentucky to win the national championship?

If so, this could be the most embarrassing post in the history of the internet.

It’s in reference to the “complexity” of the offense. Someone claimed he ran complex stuff. He didn’t. It was effective with bazz and boat because they were elite creators

 

[navery12]

Holy ____. Are we now criticizing Ollie for the team’s performance while beating Kentucky to win the national championship?

If so, this could be the most embarrassing post in the history of the internet.

Of course not, don’t be a jerk and put words in mouth.

It's really not that hard to follow why I'm mentioning the number of assists we had in the championship game in the context of a discussion of "UConn did not have a lot of assists under Kevin Ollie". It is possible to both have 1) a good offense that won a national championship and 2) an offense that did not get a lot of assists

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It’s in reference to the “complexity” of the offense. Someone claimed he ran complex stuff. He didn’t. It was effective with bazz and boat because they were elite creators

Try to get some perspective as to how insane this thread is. Maybe you can’t, I don’t know. Maybe MSU fans have threads about how bad Izzo’s offense was when they won a title 20 years ago. I doubt it though.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Try to get some perspective as to how insane this thread is. Maybe you can’t, I don’t know. Maybe MSU fans have threads about how bad Izzo’s offense was when they won a title 20 years ago. I doubt it though.

To be clear, this started because of a comp between Georgetown’s offense and our bad offenses at the end of the Ollie era. It was in no way intended to dump on Ollie, just make the comp. It has gone off the rails because some folks jumped to the conclusion that what was really being said was that Ollie was always a trash offensive coach. This really wasn’t about Ollie personally.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Of course not, don’t be a jerk and put words in mouth.

It's really not that hard to follow why I'm mentioning the number of assists we had in the championship game in the context of a discussion of "UConn did not have a lot of assists under Kevin Ollie". It is possible to both have 1) a good offense that won a national championship and 2) an offense that did not get a lot of assists

I hope the next national championship will be less disappointing to you than the last one.

 

[navery12]

I hope the next national championship will be less disappointing to you than the last one.

What on Earth are you talking about? I was thrilled with the last national championship

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Putting the anti-Ollie crowd to the side for a moment, there is a real impact to the Big East's underwhelming performance in the non-conference. It will cost Big East bubble teams bids, and it could also result in the top seeds getting knocked down a seeding or two.

It would help if the Big East could go the next week with only 1 or 2 losses, and if the SEC, ACC and Big 10 in particular could pick up some cheap losses.

 

[jibsey]

Root for Iowa State or St. John’s tomorrow? Feels like a toss up

Nope. Iowa State.

 

[REB1094]

Nope. Iowa State.

I’ll definitely be watching that game. Should be a good one

 

[TyroneShoo]

63-31 (15-23).

Big win for Xavier over West Virginia. The Big East leads the BE-Big 12 challenge 5-4 with one game to go. At worst, we split the challenge. Villanova also picked up a huge win today to make me think they might just sneak in the field come Selection Sunday.

Hoping all those tight losses have left At least a little room for error the rest of the way. Getting back (maybe around Xmas time) the Guy who was the best offensive AND defensive player on a final four team last year will do wonders. But For now, having a projected Top 5 lottery pick begin to play should Help the cause. A lot.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Nope. Iowa State.

We play St. John’s twice and would give our conference another win, wouldn’t that be best for us and the league?

 

[HuskyHawk]

To be clear, this started because of a comp between Georgetown’s offense and our bad offenses at the end of the Ollie era. It was in no way intended to dump on Ollie, just make the comp. It has gone off the rails because some folks jumped to the conclusion that what was really being said was that Ollie was always a trash offensive coach. This really wasn’t about Ollie personally.

Yes, it was my comp. Most college teams were running what today are old ISO based offenses. It’s what most coaches knew. There were some teams running more motion based offenses but the change in offense based on analytics was only just beginning. The Warriors hadn’t blown away the NBA until 2014-15. The shift was happening but that is what really put the stamp on it. Ollie was a superb defensive coach, and ran offenses that rely on extremely skilled guards beating their man one on one to create shots. Phil Jackson won a lot with offenses like that. It was harder in college because of zone and less skilled players.

 

[HuskyFich]

I don’t think there’s ever been a true indictment that KO was a bad coach. I rode the KO Train hard until that last season when everything fell off the rails…his offensive sets were just a nightmare that our players were not adapting to, year after year after year. KOs defense was superb, which allowed us to beat teams in a rock fight.

Just curious, have anyone seen the Overtime Elite games? Or their offensive sets?

 

[RayRay]

This thread has gone so off the rails. We’re supposed to be talking about big east OOC games, which is informative good stuff. Can you guys take this Ollie talk elsewhere? It’s in the past my dudes…times are great for the huskies, let’s focus on the present and future.

 

[ctchamps]

We play St. John’s twice and would give our conference another win, wouldn’t that be best for us and the league?

It’s the way I see it.

What we want is another victory for the BE and Iowa State to win as many of its conference games.

 

[jibsey]

Not starting well for SJ.

 

[REB1094]

It's early but St Johns is getting rolled by Iowa State. 14-2 after 7 and a half minutes

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Not starting well for SJ.

St. Johns style of attack, attack, attack the hoop is pretty easy to defend. Iowa State just puts 3 defenders in the paint and waits to see if St. Johns adjusts. So far, no adjustment.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

There are some trouble signs with the last few possessions on either end. Kind of looks like St. Johns is quitting a little on this game. Anderson needs to light a fire under this team.

Edit: some specifics:

The weakside rotations are terrible. Defenders are standing straight up, not reaction to weakside cutters at all.

It looks like some of the players are just deciding they don't want to press on some possessions, because Posh Alexander thinks they are pressing but there is not always a rest of the press.. I would yank anyone freelancing on defense off the court immediately if I was Anderson.

 

[jibsey]

St. John's facing a real defense.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The fat gray haired ref is completely in the tank for Iowa State. His calls are brutal. His call on the charge on Mathis was a 6 point swing. Keep an eye on him if this game gets close.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This Iowa State/St. Johns game is an example of why teams need to win their home games. Big East has four P6 opponents at home yesterday, and split with them. When you go on the road, there is always a risk of an officiating crew like this where there is no way to win. Final margin doesn't matter because whenever St. Johns made a few plays, Iowa State would get every 50/50 call.

If you played exactly the same game in Queens, I bet St. Johns wins by 10.

 

[shizzle787]

This Iowa State/St. Johns game is an example of why teams need to win their home games. Big East has four P6 opponents at home yesterday, and split with them. When you go on the road, there is always a risk of an officiating crew like this where there is no way to win. Final margin doesn't matter because whenever St. Johns made a few plays, Iowa State would get every 50/50 call.

If you played exactly the same game in Queens, I bet St. Johns wins by 10.

Plausible but St. John's didn't look good either way.

 

[shizzle787]

63-32. (15-24).

St. John's loses to Iowa State.

 

[jibsey]

Not saying St. John's stinks but their offense is undiciplined and they are prone to turnovers, don't shoot well either. They had played no one until today.