Big East OOC 2.0

[nelsonmuntz]

This Wisconsin team is tough. Missing one of their leading scorers, they are going punch for punch with a good Marquette team. Wisconsin is making just enough plays to stay in front. I am always impressed by teams that can get outplayed and still hold onto the lead.

This is just a great game.

 

[shizzle787]

I saw one other tweet from hall fans questioning hiring the hot name in Holloway…..seton hall can’t give the guy a month before complaining? Is it that bad?

Sounds like us.

 

[elmcityboy]

marquette-wisconsin is awesome. chucky hepburn iso 3 over ighodaro on one end and then ighodaro gets the poster slam on the other to force OT.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

I watched them for the first time. That offense is just like our old Ollie offense. It’s 20 years out of date, which isn’t surprising since its Ewing. Everything is based on the dribble, and most guys just stand around.

Exactly the thought I had. ISO everywhere, lots of contested and just bad shot selection, and not much scheme to actually get good looks. It’s atrocious.

 

[HooperScooper]

Nice win for Nova. Their record is really deceiving, they're going to be good.

What's the story with Justin Moore? Any chance he comes back this year? I'd imagine even if he does he won't be the same player until next season anyway.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Yikes. KO had a lot of problems, ( eventually giving up on recruiting, talent retention, engagement…. Etc… etc…) coaching offense was at the bottom of those problems. Bad take .

When we had talent and KO was still engaged we were running some of the most sophisticated stuff in college hoops.

I took his point as being about those last few years when Ollie was mailing it in.

 

[storrsroars]

Do we need to drag Ollie into every thread?

You're right. He should've posted "our offense between Napier leaving and hiring Hurley". Why bring Ollie's name into it.

 

[August_West]

I took his point as being about those last few years when Ollie was mailing it in.

Even then ko’s offensive sets were good. We couldn’t execute and ultimately that’s on him because he couldn’t deliver. But the guy was running NBA offensive sets. To his detriment , because by the time he gave up we shouldn’t have been. But to call him a bad offensive coach is just inaccurate.

 

[shizzle787]

62-31 (14-23).

Villanova, Butler, Providence, and DePaul win; Georgetown and Marquette lose.

 

[87Xfer]

Nice win for Nova. Their record is really deceiving, they're going to be good.

I agree, and I hope they are.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Even then ko’s offensive sets were good. We couldn’t execute and ultimately that’s on him because he couldn’t deliver. But the guy was running NBA offensive sets. To his detriment , because by the time he gave up we shouldn’t have been. But to call him a bad offensive coach is just inaccurate.

His defense was good. His offense was awful. 90s era NBA stuff. Had to have really special guard play to get anything, which at times he had. Horrible ball movement and off the ball movement. But we can agree to disagree on this. I wasn’t trying to bash him, it genuinely looked similar, and the Georgetown guards weren’t bad at breaking down their man.

 

[karstenkibbe]

Really tough loss for Marquette after what looked like a very strong second half. Xavier in a dog fight with Huggy Bear’s crew right now.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Xavier just has to win if it wants to be a tournament team. It has had enough “good losses”.

 

[HuskyFich]

Even then ko’s offensive sets were good. We couldn’t execute and ultimately that’s on him because he couldn’t deliver. But the guy was running NBA offensive sets. To his detriment , because by the time he gave up we shouldn’t have been. But to call him a bad offensive coach is just inaccurate.

Hero ball 1 on 1 clear outs isn’t necessarily good offensive sets. He was incapable of adapting to his entire roster, and struggled without a ball dominant guard to run his program. He deserved every chance he got, but ultimately his offense is why he’s no longer here.

End of the day, it landed us Hurley. And however that needed to happen, I’m pretty good with at this moment in time lol.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

His defense was good. His offense was awful. 90s era NBA stuff. Had to have really special guard play to get anything, which at times he had. Horrible ball movement and off the ball movement. But we can agree to disagree on this. I wasn’t trying to bash him, it genuinely looked similar, and the Georgetown guards weren’t bad at breaking down their man.

Wrong. Ollie’s offense was fine through 2016. As it became harder to recruit as the Big East went further into the rear view mirror, the offense looked worse. Who would have thought that being the northern outpost in a southern mid major would kill our athletic program? Well, I did, and so did several others.

 

[elmcityboy]

Even then ko’s offensive sets were good. We couldn’t execute and ultimately that’s on him because he couldn’t deliver. But the guy was running NBA offensive sets. To his detriment , because by the time he gave up we shouldn’t have been. But to call him a bad offensive coach is just inaccurate.

have you re-watched KO-era stuff lately? it's a lot of basic pick-and-rolls and isos -- works when you have elite athletes, but it was far from sophisticated. the difference in terms of screening and movement with a dan hurley offense is pretty stark.

 

[shizzle787]

Wrong. Ollie’s offense was fine through 2016. As it became harder to recruit as the Big East went further into the rear view mirror, the offense looked worse. Who would have thought that being the northern outpost in a southern mid major would kill our athletic program? Well, I did, and so did several others.

I remember around 2014 screaming that we should go independent in football and go back to the Big East. I think we could have gotten even more P5 home and home series then vs. now if we had made the move.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Hero ball 1 on 1 clear outs isn’t necessarily good offensive sets. He was incapable of adapting to his entire roster, and struggled without a ball dominant guard to run his program. He deserved every chance he got, but ultimately his offense is why he’s no longer here.

End of the day, it landed us Hurley. And however that needed to happen, I’m pretty good with at this moment in time lol.

Ollie’s assist ratios were fine. This is revisionist history.

 

[bluestreak]

Xavier looking better with 1:42 left. 81-72

 

[shizzle787]

63-31 (15-23).

Big win for Xavier over West Virginia. The Big East leads the BE-Big 12 challenge 5-4 with one game to go. At worst, we split the challenge. Villanova also picked up a huge win today to make me think they might just sneak in the field come Selection Sunday.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.

 

[shizzle787]

I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.

Only Kentucky with Calipari.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Big East had 4 games against P6 opponents and split. Big East really needed to run the table since it was favored in 3 of those games and all 4 were at the Big East team. Close losses to major conference opponents is killing the Big East. The Big East is 2-11 in games decided by 5 or less or that went into OT.

Loyola is better than DePaul, so I guess today could have gone worse for the league too.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Only Kentucky with Calipari.

Fair

 

[navery12]

I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.

 

[Apollo]

Ollie’s assist ratios were fine. This is revisionist history.

They were ok. Slight dip in his assist numbers as a HC

Calhoun’s last six years
‘06-‘07 13.0/gm (211th)
‘07-‘08 14.8/ gm (77th)
‘08-‘09 15.8/ gm (27th)
‘09-‘10 13.6/ gm (127th)
‘10-‘11 13.0/ gm (159th)
‘11-‘12 13.4/ gm (117th)
Avg: 13.9/ gm (119th)

Ollie’s Tenure
‘12-‘13 13.7/ gm ( 114th)
‘13-‘14 12.2/ gm (210th
‘14-‘15 11.9/ gm (234th)
‘15-‘16 13.5/ gm (157th)
‘16-‘17 13.1/ gm (203rd)
‘17-‘18 10.4/ gm (342nd)
Avg: 12.5/ gm (210th)

Hurley so far
‘18-‘19 12.8/ gm (223rd)
‘19-‘20 12.9/ gm (194th)
‘20-‘21 12.9/ gm (196th)
‘21-‘22 14.0/ gm (105th)
Avg: 13.1/ gm (179th)

 

[Storrs South]

Ollie’s assist ratios were fine. This is revisionist history.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

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^ Great game.

Some people say that Kevin Ollie's coaching dropped off after his extraordinary run against Martelli, Wright, Izzo, Hoiberg, Donovan, and Calipari. What do you think?

PS - I loved when he said, "We're gonna win this game" before running into the locker room at halftime of the Nova game.

 

[uconngb]

I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.

It’s completely deserved