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Big East OOC 2.0

August_West said:
Even then ko’s offensive sets were good. We couldn’t execute and ultimately that’s on him because he couldn’t deliver. But the guy was running NBA offensive sets. To his detriment , because by the time he gave up we shouldn’t have been. But to call him a bad offensive coach is just inaccurate.
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have you re-watched KO-era stuff lately? it's a lot of basic pick-and-rolls and isos -- works when you have elite athletes, but it was far from sophisticated. the difference in terms of screening and movement with a dan hurley offense is pretty stark.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Wrong. Ollie’s offense was fine through 2016. As it became harder to recruit as the Big East went further into the rear view mirror, the offense looked worse. Who would have thought that being the northern outpost in a southern mid major would kill our athletic program? Well, I did, and so did several others.
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I remember around 2014 screaming that we should go independent in football and go back to the Big East. I think we could have gotten even more P5 home and home series then vs. now if we had made the move.
 
HuskyFich said:
Hero ball 1 on 1 clear outs isn’t necessarily good offensive sets. He was incapable of adapting to his entire roster, and struggled without a ball dominant guard to run his program. He deserved every chance he got, but ultimately his offense is why he’s no longer here.

End of the day, it landed us Hurley. And however that needed to happen, I’m pretty good with at this moment in time lol.
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Ollie’s assist ratios were fine. This is revisionist history.
 
63-31 (15-23).

Big win for Xavier over West Virginia. The Big East leads the BE-Big 12 challenge 5-4 with one game to go. At worst, we split the challenge. Villanova also picked up a huge win today to make me think they might just sneak in the field come Selection Sunday.
 
I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.
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Only Kentucky with Calipari.
 
Big East had 4 games against P6 opponents and split. Big East really needed to run the table since it was favored in 3 of those games and all 4 were at the Big East team. Close losses to major conference opponents is killing the Big East. The Big East is 2-11 in games decided by 5 or less or that went into OT.

Loyola is better than DePaul, so I guess today could have gone worse for the league too.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.
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digging gunner kiel GIF
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Ollie’s assist ratios were fine. This is revisionist history.
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They were ok. Slight dip in his assist numbers as a HC

Calhoun’s last six years
‘06-‘07 13.0/gm (211th)
‘07-‘08 14.8/ gm (77th)
‘08-‘09 15.8/ gm (27th)
‘09-‘10 13.6/ gm (127th)
‘10-‘11 13.0/ gm (159th)
‘11-‘12 13.4/ gm (117th)
Avg: 13.9/ gm (119th)

Ollie’s Tenure
‘12-‘13 13.7/ gm ( 114th)
‘13-‘14 12.2/ gm (210th
‘14-‘15 11.9/ gm (234th)
‘15-‘16 13.5/ gm (157th)
‘16-‘17 13.1/ gm (203rd)
‘17-‘18 10.4/ gm (342nd)
Avg: 12.5/ gm (210th)

Hurley so far
‘18-‘19 12.8/ gm (223rd)
‘19-‘20 12.9/ gm (194th)
‘20-‘21 12.9/ gm (196th)
‘21-‘22 14.0/ gm (105th)
Avg: 13.1/ gm (179th)
 
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^ Great game.

Some people say that Kevin Ollie's coaching dropped off after his extraordinary run against Martelli, Wright, Izzo, Hoiberg, Donovan, and Calipari. What do you think?

PS - I loved when he said, "We're gonna win this game" before running into the locker room at halftime of the Nova game.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I’m asking this mostly because I don’t have visibility into other programs’ fan bases: is there another college basketball program that ishts on a coach who brought them a national championship to the degree that this fan base seizes every opportunity to dump on KO? It’s really remarkable.
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It’s completely deserved
 
KO offered a lot of offensive freedom and ran pro sets. Those sets were harder to run for CBB players, and so there really wasn't a year where the offense was as efficient as the defense. The 2016 team—which should have been Top 10 with all the talent it had—had the 12th ranked defense but the 59th ranked offense.

This is not because KO didn't run an offense, though, despite what people who don't know basketball said. It's because the type of offense he ran was probably not the type of offense best suited to the players on given team. Even the Shabazz team didn't have a Top 30 offense in terms of efficiency. But when it all clicked... well, we see where that team ended up and should appropriately judge the potential of KO's offense.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Holy ____. Are we now criticizing Ollie for the team’s performance while beating Kentucky to win the national championship?

If so, this could be the most embarrassing post in the history of the internet.
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It’s in reference to the “complexity” of the offense. Someone claimed he ran complex stuff. He didn’t. It was effective with bazz and boat because they were elite creators
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Holy ____. Are we now criticizing Ollie for the team’s performance while beating Kentucky to win the national championship?

If so, this could be the most embarrassing post in the history of the internet.
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Of course not, don’t be a jerk and put words in mouth.

It's really not that hard to follow why I'm mentioning the number of assists we had in the championship game in the context of a discussion of "UConn did not have a lot of assists under Kevin Ollie". It is possible to both have 1) a good offense that won a national championship and 2) an offense that did not get a lot of assists
 
AntG168 said:
It’s in reference to the “complexity” of the offense. Someone claimed he ran complex stuff. He didn’t. It was effective with bazz and boat because they were elite creators
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Try to get some perspective as to how insane this thread is. Maybe you can’t, I don’t know. Maybe MSU fans have threads about how bad Izzo’s offense was when they won a title 20 years ago. I doubt it though.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Try to get some perspective as to how insane this thread is. Maybe you can’t, I don’t know. Maybe MSU fans have threads about how bad Izzo’s offense was when they won a title 20 years ago. I doubt it though.
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To be clear, this started because of a comp between Georgetown’s offense and our bad offenses at the end of the Ollie era. It was in no way intended to dump on Ollie, just make the comp. It has gone off the rails because some folks jumped to the conclusion that what was really being said was that Ollie was always a trash offensive coach. This really wasn’t about Ollie personally.
 
navery12 said:
Of course not, don’t be a jerk and put words in mouth.

It's really not that hard to follow why I'm mentioning the number of assists we had in the championship game in the context of a discussion of "UConn did not have a lot of assists under Kevin Ollie". It is possible to both have 1) a good offense that won a national championship and 2) an offense that did not get a lot of assists
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I hope the next national championship will be less disappointing to you than the last one.
 

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