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mavblues said:
Latest Rumor (FWIW): TCU finally got pissed at Texas after Texas starting playing around that UH is its expansion pick (which we all know is just a BS negotiating tactic). Apparently, TCU does NOT want UH.

So, TCU has told UT to go pound sand, and they are now voting in favor of expansion. Count is now 8-2 in favor of expansion.

No consensus yet on the candidates.
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And just like that, UT changed its tune from "we support expansion with Houston" to "Nah, we're good as - is".

Now we have to see if TCU continues to support expansion, or if it falls back in line with UT, now that UT has backed off Houston.

Without TCU, there aren't enough votes for expansion.
 
highly doubtful unless someone at UConn told him they were doomed.

but piece seems a bit misplaced? Is Jacobs even at the B12 meetings? lol
 
UConnTrumbull said:
Not sure if this has been shared before. Maybe I'm reading too much into things but what is Jacobs doing? Is he TRYING to piss off the Big 12?
Big 12 Expansion? More Like An Implosion
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It's his usual grandstanding. He was so in love with his "joke" he tweeted out yesterday that he quoted himself in his column. Honestly, media from Memphis, Cincy, and if any from CT attending the Big 12 meetings just look desperate and pathetic. The conference couldn't be more clear beforehand that there wouldn't be any expansion decisions made this week, yet they are all there whining about the proceedings.
 
Kevin Caliendo said:
highly doubtful unless someone at UConn told him they were doomed.

but piece seems a bit misplaced? Is Jacobs even at the B12 meetings? lol
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Jacobs isn't at the meetings. I don't think anyone from Connecticut is. He watched the press conference online.
 
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mavblues said:
And just like that, UT changed its tune from "we support expansion with Houston" to "Nah, we're good as - is".

Now we have to see if TCU continues to support expansion, or if it falls back in line with UT, now that UT has backed off Houston.

Without TCU, there aren't enough votes for expansion.
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The idea that Texas supported Houston in the first place was simply conjecture built up by folks inferring that big money donor Red McComb's opinion was shared by others at Texas.

Mike Perrin, the AD, certainly doesn't share the opinion, but keep in mind he doesn't even have a vote. The only one who does is Greg Fenves and he hasn't said much of what he thinks about anything.

Folks are just so hungry for info they're making stuff up and it's being parroted as the truth. It's tempting to follow the path of least resistance and buy into it.

Resist the temptation.

College presidents are weird people. They don't think like us or sports writers or even ADs. For all we know they'll make their decisions on the basis of some Dostoyevsky quote they remember.
 
Good grief. What's next? Is the Big 12 going to invite UConn and Cincinnati as part of expansion only to go, "Whoops! Our bad. We meant to invite BYU and Memphis."
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Rule #1 and:
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(I have a feeling this joke is going to get run into the ground... again...)
 
Dont mind me, just doing a little doodling.

New Big12

NorthEast Div -
1) Oklahoma
2) Kansas
3) Iowa State
4) WV
5) Uconn
6) Cincy
7) UCF

SouthWest - Div
8) Texas
9) Ok State
10) Texas Tech
11) Kansas State
12) TCU
13) Baylor
14) BYU

Format: 6 in division games, 1 annual rivalry game across divisions, 2 rotating game across divisions, 3 non conf games.

Or
Tradition
1) Texas
2) Oklahoma
3) Kansas
4) Texas Tech
5) Ok St.
6) Kansas State
7) TCU or Baylor

Upstarts
8) Iowa State
9) BYU
10) WV
11) Cincy
12) UConn
13) UCF
14) TCU or Baylor

Either way, in time, say 5 years - we'll all learn to hate each other the proper way...as rivals.
 
My reading between the lines is horrific, but I'm not too confident about UConn in any P-5 down the line, or any other G-5 school for that matter.
My recollection of concepts expressed this week out of B12 meetings does not project much hope.
paraphrasing......."no benefit to expanding to other geographical areas'......"there will be further expansion down the line when better options are available" "no team (G5?)names being mentioned/considered

My fearful expectations : (1) both ACC and BIG 12 considered weak conferences during future expansion, (2) four (4) P-4 conferences expanded by cherry picking the better teams from BIG 12 and ACC (3) remaining teams in ACC and BIG 12 combine to become a G-6 conference (4) no movement of any team in current G-5 to a P-5 conference

I, more than anyone else, hope I'm 1,000,000% wrong, but to quote a line from the 70's movie "Grease"........"I got chills and they're multiplying"

I would not be surprised if the above happens
 
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tduconn said:
My reading between the lines is horrific, but I'm not too confident about UConn in any P-5 down the line, or any other G-5 school for that matter.
My recollection of concepts expressed this week out of B12 meetings does not project much hope.
paraphrasing.."no benefit to expanding to other geographical areas'."there will be further expansion down the line when better options are available" "no team (G5?)names being mentioned/considered

My fearful expectations : (1) both ACC and BIG 12 considered weak conferences during future expansion, (2) four (4) P-4 conferences expanded by cherry picking the better teams from BIG 12 and ACC (3) remaining teams in ACC and BIG 12 combine to become a G-6 conference (4) no movement of any team in current G-5 to a P-5 conference

I, more than anyone else, hope I'm 1,000,000% wrong, but to quote a line from the 70's movie "Grease"..."I got chills and they're multiplying"

I would not be surprised if the above happens
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Instead of a new post every hour or so where someone explains that they've come to the conclusion that we're stuck in a lousy conference forever, can we just sticky a poll so that these people can just be tallied? This is getting tiresome.
 
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both divisions.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year they would always get to play their closest rivals (Cincy and WVU) every year. Probably one at home and one away.
 
Charley Horse said:
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both divisions.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year they would always get to play their closest rivals (Cincy and WVU) every year. Probably one at home and one away.
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Expansion is dead according to our other threads, so thanks for the sentiment.
 
Charley Horse said:
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both division.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year but always get to play Cincy and WVU every year. Probably one at home and one away.
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Unfortunately, UConn's best strength compared to other candidates was to expand a B12 network in the populous Northeast. No B12N takes away UConn's strength and might wind up making football / football recruiting the top factors again, so boosting UCF/USF, BYU, maybe Cincy. If the B12 expands by two without a network... it's probably really bad for UConn. I think UConn probably wants either no B12 expansion, or expansion by 4.
 
Charley Horse said:
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both divisions.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year they would always get to play their closest rivals (Cincy and WVU) every year. Probably one at home and one away.
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What I like best about this is our possible annual cross division rivalry with Iowa State. ;)

Actually, as others have said, I'll take anything, just get me the #}^*% out of the AAC!
 
Charley Horse said:
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both divisions.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year they would always get to play their closest rivals (Cincy and WVU) every year. Probably one at home and one away.
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Where can I sign?
 
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Charley Horse said:
Yesterday, I was resigned to the thought that expansion was unlikely. Today, the news of the CCG and the possibility that the Big 12 may go back to divisions makes me think expansion is possible once again. And I'm convinced UConn and Cincy will be 2017 invitees.

To celebrate, I'll indulge in the endlessly entertaining art of the dividing the conference into divisions. My goal is to spread the travel burden evenly among both divisions.

This Division
1. Texas
2. Tech
3. Baylor
4. K State
5. Cincy
6. UConn

That Division
1. OU
2. Ok State
3. TCU
4. Kansas
5. Iowa St
6. West Virginia

Permanent cross-divisional rivalries between like numbers.

So... in my plan, although UConn would have to travel to Texas one or two times a year they would always get to play their closest rivals (Cincy and WVU) every year. Probably one at home and one away.
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Wouldn't WVA have to be in the same Div with Cinny and UConn
 
Does the Big 12 need to go to divisions in order to have a CCG?

I don't know the answer so I'm hoping that someone can help me out here.

If the answer is 'no', then I think the decision to go to divisions is an indicator that expansion might still happen. Right now, they can play a round robin and then have the top two teams meet for a rematch in a CCG. If they go to divisions there is no guarantee that the top two teams meet in a CCG.
 
BlueHen said:
Does the Big 12 need to go to divisions in order to have a CCG?

I don't know the answer so I'm hoping that someone can help me out here.

If the answer is 'no', then I think the decision to go to divisions is an indicator that expansion might still happen. Right now, they can play a round robin and then have the top two teams meet for a rematch in a CCG. If they go to divisions there is no guarantee that the top two teams meet in a CCG.
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No, they don't need divisions as long as they play round robin.
 
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If I understand correctly, the Big 12 did not get a network, did not expand, is going to a division format and will play a CCG.

None of the above do anything to improve the long term stability of the conference. I expect that if the Big 12 wants to expand they won't tell us until it is a done deal and all of the negotiations are done. I didn't think that would happen this week, so I am not shocked at yesterdays statements.

It is possible that the Big 12 is not expanding, but I think it is also possible that expansion is happening and the Big 12 is in the early stages of negotiations with potential additions.

Even of the Big 12 doesn't expand, the fact that they didn't address long term conference stability issues means that there is potential for more CR movement as the GOR's get closer to expiring. UConn needs to continue to make itself more attractive in the mean time. Waiting sucks, but I don't think we are doomed just yet.
 
BlueHen said:
If I understand correctly, the Big 12 did not get a network, did not expand, is going to a division format and will play a CCG.

None of the above do anything to improve the long term stability of the conference. I expect that if the Big 12 wants to expand they won't tell us until it is a done deal and all of the negotiations are done. I didn't think that would happen this week, so I am not shocked at yesterdays statements.

It is possible that the Big 12 is not expanding, but I think it is also possible that expansion is happening and the Big 12 is in the early stages of negotiations with potential additions.

Even of the Big 12 doesn't expand, the fact that they didn't address long term conference stability issues means that there is potential for more CR movement as the GOR's get closer to expiring. UConn needs to continue to make itself more attractive in the mean time. Waiting sucks, but I don't think we are doomed just yet.
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We're not doomed yet, but we are heading back in a doom-by-doom-west direction. The B12 is not negotiating anything with potential additions right now. They received all of the slick brochures and binders and DVDs from every G5 school in the country and probably ones from Canada and Mexico, more importantly they received the consultants data. And they're going to disregard all that and probably take whoever has the best football record from the past 3 seasons or the highest concentration of 5 star recruits currently enrolled in high school. Or take nobody. Let's hope it's the latter. Boren was UConn's only hope, since he was the one who would drop a line about academics, research and value to a network, and now Boren's been more or less turned into a force ghost like Obi-Wan by Texas.
 
BlueHen said:
Does the Big 12 need to go to divisions in order to have a CCG?

I don't know the answer so I'm hoping that someone can help me out here.

If the answer is 'no', then I think the decision to go to divisions is an indicator that expansion might still happen. Right now, they can play a round robin and then have the top two teams meet for a rematch in a CCG. If they go to divisions there is no guarantee that the top two teams meet in a CCG.
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Yes i think they do need divisions for a championship game. IIRC the recent vote allowed for a conference championship with only 10 schools but went against the ACC's attempt to pick the teams for the championship game without using divisions.

Edit: NCAA vote makes it possible for Big 12 to hold football title game

Never mind according to the article divisions are not necessary: "There's also the question of how to pick which teams would play for the Big 12 championship. In every other conference, division winners meet. The Big 12 has shown no interest of having two, five-team divisions. Theoretically, the CFP Rankings could be used to settle tiebreakers for a spot in the championship game, but those rankings don't come until Tuesday night of championship week."
 
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husky10 said:
Yes i think they do need divisions for a championship game. IIRC the recent vote allowed for a conference championship with only 10 schools but went against the ACC's attempt to pick the teams for the championship game without using divisions.
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No divisions necessary if the conference plays a round robin. I sound like a broken record.
 
Confirming the narrative that came out of the end of the meetings: Boren Says Big 12 Expansion Talks Cooling Off

“We may meet again later in the summer, I don’t anticipate moving on expansion at that time,” Boren said. “I think it’s unlikely, now I don’t think it’s impossible, nothing is impossible when we all get together and put our heads together or if somebody comes forward that’s just a great star that wants to join the conference… but there’s no longer the urgency on expansion.”
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junglehusky said:
Confirming the narrative that came out of the end of the meetings: Boren Says Big 12 Expansion Talks Cooling Off
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The narrative is not that the Big12 has no urgency at this time to expand. The narrative is that tv execs flat out said there is no money or demand for a Big12 network. Boren sounds like a man defeated, trying to paint a decent spin on an unwanted outcome. He knows that by 2026 OU will be in a new conference.
The narrative is that the Big12 was holding on for their life and Fox/ESPN chose to pull the plug.
 
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