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nelsonmuntz said:
I think it is actually a Rutgers fan who thought of my idea before I did and posted a BS rumor that was almost believable and would get UConn fans riled up.

That said, someone claims he called Rutgers and Maryland 2 months before it happened. We shall see.
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I choose to believe!

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Jimdish255 said:
Hockey talk did come out of the blue shortly after Ward took over. My first reaction was long-term viability for the B10 because there wasn't anybody clamoring for it. And I'm a hockey guy.
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The hockey program upgrade because it sits right in the middle geographically of the best hockey league in the country! It made sense. Hockey East was always a natural fit - you guys are insane with this Big Ten stuff.
 
Hockey East was eyeing UConn for years (as we are by far the highest profile athletic department in New England). It wasn't until the new leadership that we had people in place who saw the benefit in expanding our athletic programs.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think it is actually a Rutgers fan who thought of my idea before I did and posted a BS rumor that was almost believable and would get UConn fans riled up.

That said, someone claims he called Rutgers and Maryland 2 months before it happened. We shall see.
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He did indeed post that Rutgers was going to the B1G in July.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Hockey East was eyeing UConn for years (as we are by far the highest profile athletic department in New England). It wasn't until the new leadership that we had people in place who saw the benefit in expanding our athletic programs.
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I once wrote this on this board and was roundly ridiculed by zls and a few others. It didn't matter that I got the info from a HE insider who happens to be a friend of mine for 20 odd years. I didn't reveal that at the time of course. ZlS literally made fun of my post for close to a year after that. I wrote this about 6-8 years ago.
 
Last year there was a RU poster (it could be him) who had a lot of inside info about ACC adding Pitt and Cuse. Long before Blaudschun interviewed the BC AD with the inside scoop about the ACC committee meetings, this poster claimed that UConn had been the #1 choice of the ACC over all others, but that some internal hitches in the process had caused problems. He was responding to a Pitt poster on the RU board who was taunting Rutgers fans who were wondering why Pitt got picked over them. Unfortunately, this poster also claimed that UConn had been contacted a full year before the prior expansion, but had held out at the time since it had considered that the potential ESPN TV contract as highly competitive with the ACCs (i.e. $1 million less per team). I dismissed the second comment, but when Blaudschun printed his story, I got a sick feeling in my stomach that maybe the poster actually knew something.
 
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The scary thing is, I'm starting to buy into Huskyfandan's largely incoherent, rambling, alcohol-fueled thoughts that accord with the nutso wvu "insiders".

Herbst sent us a signal, not intentionally, though. When she was quoted by the AP the day before the vote (btw, we never did find out what reporter got that quote, including its context), she spoke nonsense about making "the s-a her priority", and then was said to have no comment.

The statement that she put out after the acc vote, if you read it from the perspective of her authorship, could easily be read to mean she had information about UConn invite.

--Similar to Rutgers, Big 10 approaches, says other schools involved, we'll let you know

--Warde Manuel's comment in the USVI : "When they'll act..."

--Use of the words "research" the post acc statement

--broader hiring of >250 professors, many of whom in hard $ciences w/ research grants when other schools are cutting*
(I believe Herbst believes AAU and Big 10 are linked in the sense Big 10 membership fast tracks AAU invite. So she didn't hire the profs to get into the Big 10, but to use the big 10 to get into the AAU)

--her state of the University address which failed to mention conference affiliation, but went overboard on research, research

--the jackson lab

--the white paper produced by uconn re AAU

--Manuel's use of "captive audience" for tv subs directly on point with our argument of uconn as a footprint state

--Delany's slip of southern NE to northern Virginia

My sense, there might be something to all of this.

I say full steam ahead, sink or swim, and get on this crazy train boat to the big 10.
 
Wow. That OP was really reading the wrong thing between the lines.
 
Rumrunner said:
The scary thing is, I'm starting to buy into Huskyfandan's largely incoherent, rambling, alcohol-fueled thoughts that accord with the nutso wvu "insiders".

Herbst sent us a signal, not intentionally, though. When she was quoted by the AP the day before the vote (btw, we never did find out what reporter got that quote, including its context), she spoke nonsense about making "the s-a her priority", and then was said to have no comment.

The statement that she put out after the acc vote, if you read it from the perspective of her authorship, could easily be read to mean she had information about UConn invite.

--Similar to Rutgers, Big 10 approaches, says other schools involved, we'll let you know

--Warde Manuel's comment in the USVI : "When they'll act..."

--Use of the words "research" the post acc statement

--broader hiring of >250 professors, many of whom in hard $ciences w/ research grants when other schools are cutting*
(I believe Herbst believes AAU and Big 10 are linked in the sense Big 10 membership fast tracks AAU invite. So she didn't hire the profs to get into the Big 10, but to use the big 10 to get into the AAU)

--her state of the University address which failed to mention conference affiliation, but went overboard on research, research

--the jackson lab

--the white paper produced by uconn re AAU

--Manuel's use of "captive audience" for tv subs directly on point with our argument of uconn as a footprint state

--Delany's slip of southern NE to northern Virginia

My sense, there might be something to all of this.

I say full steam ahead, sink or swim, and get on this crazy train boat to the big 10.
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Agreed. I really do think that UConn can benefit the B1G.
 
Rumrunner said:
The scary thing is, I'm starting to buy into Huskyfandan's largely incoherent, rambling, alcohol-fueled thoughts that accord with the nutso wvu "insiders".

Herbst sent us a signal, not intentionally, though. When she was quoted by the AP the day before the vote (btw, we never did find out what reporter got that quote, including its context), she spoke nonsense about making "the s-a her priority", and then was said to have no comment.

The statement that she put out after the acc vote, if you read it from the perspective of her authorship, could easily be read to mean she had information about UConn invite.

--Similar to Rutgers, Big 10 approaches, says other schools involved, we'll let you know

--Warde Manuel's comment in the USVI : "When they'll act..."

--Use of the words "research" the post acc statement

--broader hiring of >250 professors, many of whom in hard $ciences w/ research grants when other schools are cutting*
(I believe Herbst believes AAU and Big 10 are linked in the sense Big 10 membership fast tracks AAU invite. So she didn't hire the profs to get into the Big 10, but to use the big 10 to get into the AAU)

--her state of the University address which failed to mention conference affiliation, but went overboard on research, research

--the jackson lab

--the white paper produced by uconn re AAU

--Manuel's use of "captive audience" for tv subs directly on point with our argument of uconn as a footprint state

--Delany's slip of southern NE to northern Virginia

My sense, there might be something to all of this.

I say full steam ahead, sink or swim, and get on this crazy train boat to the big 10.
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The only important AAU criteria is research dollars. You'll see lots of members who fall well below all the other metrics. Why are they there? Research dollars. That makes the criteria almost cut and dry.

The only questions I have are there: Would the B10 invite Virginia over UConn? UNC over UConn? Georgia Tech over UConn? Would Virginia accept? Would UNC accept? Would Georgia Tech accept? Would none of them accept? Would one of them accept? Would two of them accept?

There are 9 questions that need to be answered before the B10 even considers inviting UConn.

I dismiss out of hand all talk of Notre Dame, Syracuse and BC. That's not going to happen.
 
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mavblues said:
  • Men's Basketball - 1999, 2004, 2011
  • Men's Soccer - 1948*, 1981, 2000
  • Women's Basketball - 1995, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2009, 2010
  • Women's Field Hockey - 1981, 1985
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Left out 1948. Let's hope the men's soccer squad and the women's basketball squad add two more championships this academic year.
 
I still don't buy the GTech rumors, because of GTech's isolation, not a footprint school, poke the SEC right in the eye with UGA.

For AAU, last I read UConn was only at $110m fed grants, total of $170m "research grants.". I believe BU was at $348m in "research grants" in their pr put out when they were invited. I'm not sure of the faculty count at BU, but they have 19k undergrad, 32k total, so looks comparable to UConn. Who knows what constitutes "research grants", although there are definitely nonfed grants in that total. So no norming argument there.

For the legacy AAU members-KU, Oregon, not true about not meeting other criteria, but getting research $'s. I believe oregon has very little research dolars, under $100m. I linked an article that normalized the research dollars/ faculty members. Many still fall far short
 
Butch said:
Left out 1948. Let's hope the men's soccer squad and the women's basketball squad add two more championships this academic year.
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Pre-Big East. The championships listed were DURING our BE membership.
 
My fault. Can't hurt to add one way before we were in the BE anyway!
 
not a big deal butchy, pitt won 9 championships for basketball back in 1943 when every man in the US was over seas acept for pitt students.
 
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Rumrunner said:
I still don't buy the GTech rumors, because of GTech's isolation, not a footprint school, poke the SEC right in the eye with UGA.

For AAU, last I read UConn was only at $110m fed grants, total of $170m "research grants.". I believe BU was at $348m in "research grants" in their pr put out when they were invited. I'm not sure of the faculty count at BU, but they have 19k undergrad, 32k total, so looks comparable to UConn. Who knows what constitutes "research grants", although there are definitely nonfed grants in that total. So no norming argument there.

For the legacy AAU members-KU, Oregon, not true about not meeting other criteria, but getting research $'s. I believe oregon has very little research dolars, under $100m. I linked an article that normalized the research dollars/ faculty members. Many still fall far short
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I've looked at this in committee for AAU benchmarking, and what we saw was that every single AAU school was ranked by research dollars with the at risk schools just below the level of Boston U., while there were very few schools outside of the AAU that brought in the grants that the AAU schools did. The AAU looked at both federal and private grants, as well as state grants, as long as they were competitive, obviously removing ag grants (i.e. political pork) and subsidies to university hospitals that had little to do with competitive research grants. This is why schools such as Nebraska are hurt, and why USF and Cincy and other big university hospital schools will have a devil of a time ever getting in.
 
CTMike said:
Of all the epic threads to miss on my honeymoon...

CTMike reporting for duty! Let me know if I can start a southern flank attack on my way back from Mexico.

...Right after I'm done mounting the Mrs.!
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i knew u would love this when u read thru it. lmfao

i want to pay 80 cents not 10 cents on my cable bill, u dig?
 
CTMike said:
Of all the epic threads to miss on my honeymoon...

CTMike reporting for duty! Let me know if I can start a southern flank attack on my way back from Mexico.

...Right after I'm done mounting the Mrs.!
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Probably should have started that "Southern flank attack" on your honeymoon. ;)

Congrats to you and the Mrs!!
 
upstater said:
I've looked at this in committee for AAU benchmarking, and what we saw was that every single AAU school was ranked by research dollars with the at risk schools just below the level of Boston U., while there were very few schools outside of the AAU that brought in the grants that the AAU schools did. The AAU looked at both federal and private grants, as well as state grants, as long as they were competitive, obviously removing ag grants (i.e. political pork) and subsidies to university hospitals that had little to do with competitive research grants. This is why schools such as Nebraska are hurt, and why USF and Cincy and other big university hospital schools will have a devil of a time ever getting in.
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I know absolutely nothing about this matter, but it is obvious that you do.

Didn't someone mention that UConn's research figures DO NOT include anything from the medical center?

If that's true, how much does the medical center add?
 
mavblues said:
I know absolutely nothing about this matter, but it is obvious that you do.

Didn't someone mention that UConn's research figures DO NOT include anything from the medical center?

If that's true, how much does the medical center add?
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A hefty amount. If they are competitive research grants. But many university hospitals aggregate outside revenues, so it's hard to tell. I know that private firm in New England gave UConn a bunch of money to build out a research hospital. This would not count as a competitive research grant. It's a donor contribution.
 
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Georgia Tech's rivals site is saying that Tech will make the announcement that they are going to the B1G soon. This was the same site that was the first to report that Louisville was going to the ACC.
 
Rumrunner said:
upstater here's the chron of higher ed (2010) showing oregon at $99m

http://chronicle.com/article/Chart-Many-Universities/65199/

are those #'s valid for stony brook? shows them at $106m.
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Again, those are Fed. dollars. I just looked at our internal benchmarks during an upper admin. committee meeting. That link you gave shows my AAU school at around 150m. But in the stats I saw that included all research grants, we brought in $450m. That's 200% more than Fed dollars. For me, it was pretty telling to see almost every single AAU school above the candidate schools, with at risk schools near the cut-off.
 
johnhuskies95 said:
Georgia Tech's rivals site is saying that Tech will make the announcement that they are going to the B1G soon. This was the same site that was the first to report that Louisville was going to the ACC.
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I think there is enough smoke via regular news folks and internet chatter to assume this is happening. Who is #16? UVA is my guess.
 
Vuce said:
I think there is enough smoke via regular news folks and internet chatter to assume this is happening. Who is #16? UVA is my guess.
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Just a guess, but B1G may not take 2 ACC at once. So maybe we get in this round.
 
Have you seen any mention of Uconn by a credible news source in the last few days saying that they have heard Uconn is even in the hunt?
 
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