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If the B1G wanted to have a hockey conference, just for the sake of having an autobid, they could have added any number of cromulent candidates.
If the B1G wanted to have a hockey conference, just for the sake of having an autobid, they could have added any number of cromulent candidates.
Was on a UVa board a few days ago and they hate the idea of going to the B1G...I mean they really HATE it. I was run off the board for simply asking this question: "If the ACC blew up - for whatever reason - would UVa prefer SEC or B1G." I thought B1G would be a good (better) academic fit, perhaps the SEC would be a better geographic / cultural fit. Well, personal attacks notwithstanding, SEC won by about 98%. Don't believe either Virginia school going to B1G... UVa doesn't want to go, B1G doesn't want VT...
So UVA is happy being pulled up athletically and down academically. 50% correct.If you've found UVA folks wanting the SEC, I'd like to meet them. That would be a rare breed. The Soccer and Lacrosse fans would storm the McCue Center with flaming torches and pitch forks. They would do the same if it were the B1G with the Baseball fans joining them. UVA is very happy where it is with its athletic conference, and the ACC is the best academic fit as well.
UVA would be pulled down academically if they went anywhere different other than the Ivy League. And the Ivy League has chosen to not be a FBS level league, so they aren't an option. UVA plays many members of the Ivy League on a regular basis in soccer and lacrosse, so we'll have to settle for that as the best we can do for athletic association with them.So UVA is happy being pulled up athletically and down academically. 50% correct.
UVA is an excellent school, no question. But I don't think the ACC is very proud of its academics right now. I think the B1G is trying to hold the line there.UVA would be pulled down academically if they went anywhere different other than the Ivy League. And the Ivy League has chosen to not be a FBS level league, so they aren't an option. UVA plays many members of the Ivy League on a regular basis in soccer and lacrosse, so we'll have to settle for that as the best we can do for athletic association with them.
I was curious reading his post as to who from UVA was pushing SEC. That seemed interesting. There might be some football fans that would like it temporarily, but UVA isn't a football factory and would have a horrible time in that league just like Kentucky does.
UVA would be pulled down academically if they went anywhere different other than the Ivy League. .
UVA is an excellent school, no question. But I don't think the ACC is very proud of its academics right now. I think the B1G is trying to hold the line there.
If you've found UVA folks wanting the SEC, I'd like to meet them. That would be a rare breed. The Soccer and Lacrosse fans would storm the McCue Center with flaming torches and pitch forks. They would do the same if it were the B1G with the Baseball fans joining them. UVA is very happy where it is with its athletic conference, and the ACC is the best academic fit as well.
That does not answer the question: "If the ACC blew up - for whatever reason - would UVa prefer SEC or B1G?"If you've found UVA folks wanting the SEC, I'd like to meet them. That would be a rare breed. The Soccer and Lacrosse fans would storm the McCue Center with flaming torches and pitch forks. They would do the same if it were the B1G with the Baseball fans joining them. UVA is very happy where it is with its athletic conference, and the ACC is the best academic fit as well.
Not sure if serious.
Adding Louisville was a rather desperate move.
Thank you for that. Just needed to be said.Uh, you may want to chose your friends more carefully. As "Mr." Jefferson's colleague, Benjamin Franklin once opined, "If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas" Please, don't be that Hoo and come down off that high horse.
That does not answer the question: "If the ACC blew up - for whatever reason - would UVa prefer SEC or B1G?"
Thank you for that. Just needed to be said.
Yes, yes, yes... the ACC is "stronger than at any time of its existence." Notwithstanding the fact this statement is simply not true, please feel free to keep repeating it as often as you like... or need.Given that only the B1G sponsors enough sports to fit the UVA athletic department's sports portfolio, it would have to be the B1G. But the ACC isn't blowing up. It's stronger than at any time of its existence.
I'm still curious who wanted the SEC though. UVA would get killed in football in the SEC, the basketball is terrible other than a couple of teams, and soccer, lacrosse, etc. would be hung out to dry. As for football, most UVA fans know that we need to figure out how to win in the ACC again before doing anything. This may require a new coach.
If this is the case, someone needs to inform the ACC. This is right out of the transcript of John Swofford's opening remarks at the Basketball Media day on October 29, 2014, last week:
" I continue to be very proud of our collective member institutions and their student athletes. The academic
accomplishments on an annual basis again show that the ACC leads the way among the power five conferences. The
annual U.S. News and World Report Survey of Best Colleges, released in September and their member institutions,
once again, led the way with an average rank of 54.8. This marks the 8th straight year that the ACC has led the power five conferences.
Our student athletes also excelled recently in NCAA graduation success rates. As teams from the ACC rank among the top Division I institutions with an average graduation rate of 88 percent. While the NCAA graduation rate is 82
percent nationally. "
Louisville did lower the ACC average to become closer to the B1G, but the ACC remains the second highest academically only behind the Ivy League, who isn't Power 5.
Texas is not a cultural fit, ND won't join. Think you are correct: "The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term." Keep it quiet though...don't want the guy from UVa to hear.When the smoke clears, the ACC will be the island of misfit toys. I hope we are on it only if we don't have a better island to land on. Somehow I feel like they are being played and as a Big East fan, I know how that feels. The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term. If they can lure Texas and ND,
then forget what I just said.
Do you really expect him to say something like:If this is the case, someone needs to inform the ACC. This is right out of the transcript of John Swofford's opening remarks at the Basketball Media day on October 29, 2014, last week:
" I continue to be very proud of our collective member institutions and their student athletes. The academic
accomplishments on an annual basis again show that the ACC leads the way among the power five conferences. The
annual U.S. News and World Report Survey of Best Colleges, released in September and their member institutions,
once again, led the way with an average rank of 54.8. This marks the 8th straight year that the ACC has led the power five conferences.
Our student athletes also excelled recently in NCAA graduation success rates. As teams from the ACC rank among the top Division I institutions with an average graduation rate of 88 percent. While the NCAA graduation rate is 82
percent nationally. "
Louisville did lower the ACC average to become closer to the B1G, but the ACC remains the second highest academically only behind the Ivy League, who isn't Power 5.
Texas is not a cultural fit, ND won't join. Think you are correct: "The ACC isn't well thought out and it isn't built for the long term." Keep it quiet though...don't want the guy from UVa to hear.
What's the B1G's average? Any idea?
Do you really expect him to say something like:
"I am deeply ashamed that one of our founding universities has been participating in a near two decade long academic fraud that questions not only its athletic integrity but, indeed, its academic integrity as well. My shame is in no way lessened by the fact that this fraud began while I was the athletic director of that university. To be honest, I don't sleep well at night thinking about the shame that has been heaped upon a once great institution. But UNC is not alone in the the threat of sanctions. Syracuse University is also being investigated for a decade long, or quite possibly longer, history of improper benefits and the hiding of those benefits from the NCAA. That's two of our top basketball schools that may well have to vacate a combined 3 national championships. The shame of that is just staggering. One the plus side, however, the ratings of a game involving a glorified community college and a school with an apparent willful cover up of a rape did quite well. So, um, at least there's that."
I didn't. I would expect him to tout conference academics while he can. It is tougher to make those claims when one of your universities has lost accreditation.
The ACC is at 54.8. Swofford wouldn't use an incorrect number that all in the room could disprove by simply running an average calculation. The ACC has 15 members competing in at least 15 sports each, so you must have left someone out. That looks about right for the B1G.Before Louisville replaced Maryland, this site (http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...nkings-of-top-six-football-conferences-092012) gave an ACC average of 51.2 and a B1G average of 57.5. The current USNWR list includes UConn at #58 among national universities, Maryland at #62, and Louisville at #161 (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/data/page 6). So after Louisville-for-Maryland swap the ACC lose 99 spots / 14 schools or 7.1 off its average so we'd have ACC about 58.3 behind the B1G's 57.5.
Of course if you ranked based on graduate metrics instead of USNWR, the B1G would be way ahead.
Aside from its original Carolina core (and maybe UVA and UMCP), the genesis of the ACC has been more reactive, rather than proactive. Despite attempts at appearing as a united front, the disparate amalgamation of distinct types of academic models with differing missions (public, private, small, large, southern, northern, research-AAU, non-AAU, Catholic, non-sectarian) will be difficult to maintain long-term.