You say that so casually, Bobby. It's Johns 'Freakin' Hopkins. I know it's just LAX at the moment (and they are very, very good), but if B1G can arrange some kind of acedemic hook up, like Chicago in CIC, it would be a coup. Relationships must start somewhere. I know this board is re: athletics, the the B1G is much more about acedemics. That's why OK won't get into B1G.B1G added Hopkins for lacrosse so they could have a 6 team league & get an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament.
Same reason Penn St became the 6th hockey school
re: Wiki..."Johns Hopkins University, according to one report, will apply for membership in the CIC." If true, that's money in the bank. JHU brings in a ton of grant and research money. Wiki may not be the most reliable source on the planet, but there it is.You say that so casually, Bobby. It's Johns 'Freakin' Hopkins. I know it's just LAX at the moment (and they are very, very good), but if B1G can arrange some kind of academic hook up, like Chicago in CIC, it would be a coup. Relationships must start somewhere. I know this board is re: athletics, the the B1G is much more about academics. That's why OK won't get into B1G.
Well, actually, I'm new here...
Did I catch you on the University of Chicago... a lot of people aren't aware of this affiliation with the B1G through the CIC. Of course Chicago was once part of what is now the B1G...that I'm sure you knew. Just trying to keep you on your toes...![]()
Can't find the answer re: CIC membership for JHU. Sent email to CIC to inquire. Believe there is already some cross breading going on but I hope to know more soon.Anyone know if Johns Hopkins is going to get access to the CIC through it's B1G affiliation for lacrosse. U Chicago (US News #4) and Hopkins (US News #12) are very similar. Such a relationship should be beneficial to all parties.
I think I've heard otherwise but don't have the chance to look it up right now.To the best of my knowledge B1G divides BTN revenue equally (notwithstanding newer members)...take with a grain of salt: I also said they didn't play hockey in Nebraska !
Believe they have made up their minds. Johns Hopkins generated over $1 billion in grants and research monies in 2011 - #1 in the country. Pretty sure that was more important than LAX to B1G presidents. Kansas is in AAU club - since 1909. Unless they pull a Nebraska they should be good to go B1G. Problem is any new member needs to bring in mega-grant and research monies. Duke, UNC, GT are good. UT is probably fine, but didn't see their name on the list of top earners. Mizzou is not a top earner but should have been in B1G already. I truly believe UConn goes to ACC...in time.If the B1G truly won't expand without AAU, that's bad news for UConn. It's even bad news for Kansas, since they wouldn't be invited to the AAU with their current metrics, and as Nebraska shows, could be vulnerable to pruning. If AAU is essential, then there's UVa, UNC, Missouri, Texas, and not much else.
UConn, Va Tech, Kansas, and Oklahoma are all one tier down academically and are much more logical and available expansion candidates. So the B1G will have to make up their mind about priorities.
They want to build the brand, but hockey is not a universal B1G activity. Only six members (I believe) have teams, and they would be the usual suspects - Wis., MI., MN, MSU, OSU and PSU. (Hockey in Nebraska? That's probably not a thing.) There are also a lot of regional college teams who play great hockey as well. Anyway, to the best of my knowledge, no conference ever expanded for want of an additional hockey team...no matter the quality. It's a plum, after the fact. (Put the biscuit in the basket, baby!)
B1G added Hopkins for lacrosse so they could have a 6 team league & get an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament.
Same reason Penn St became the 6th hockey school
It will soon be the most hated song in Hockey East, which will only make me love it all the more.God damn it that song is so damn fantastic!
How about this for an expansion idea for B1G: University of Toronto. Tens of thousands of students, AAU member, six million people in metro area, half a million alumni spread around the globe. They play 26 sports - not sure if all are varsity or club - including lax, hockey (of course), rugby, rowing, basketball, baseball, and (sort of) football. The last one, football, would be a 20 year project - think they have something like a 5,000 seat 'stadium' and Canadian rules, but the B1G had already demonstrated it wants research and grant money more than titles (although titles are nice, too) and I would imagine (I do not know) the University of Toronto gets a boat load of Canadian research and grand dollars. Also, culturally, Toronto is a better fit with B1G than Texas. Trust me on this...been to Toronto a boat load of times - their sensibility is very mid-western. Never been to Texas but I saw one on TV once...B1G hockey to a high degree owes its existence to Terry Pegula. Penn St was a successful club team before; but, there was no money to upgrade them to D1 standards. Pegula made it possible with a $90 million dollar donation which created 6th B1G team with hockey and thus a league was born.
How about this for an expansion idea for B1G: University of Toronto. Tens of thousands of students, AAU member, six million people in metro area, half a million alumni spread around the globe. They play 26 sports - not sure if all are varsity or club - including lax, hockey (of course), rugby, rowing, basketball, baseball, and (sort of) football. The last one, football, would be a 20 year project - think they have something like a 5,000 seat 'stadium' and Canadian rules, but the B1G had already demonstrated it wants research and grant money more than titles (although titles are nice, too) and I would imagine (I do not know) the University of Toronto gets a boat load of Canadian research and grand dollars. Also, culturally, Toronto is a better fit with B1G than Texas. Trust me on this...been to Toronto a boat load of times - their sensibility is very mid-western. Never been to Texas but I saw one on TV once...
Yeah, U of Toronto is an outside shot. However, is there another untapped market in US with similar numbers? (I know someone will fine one and call me on it - that's the problem when you don't know the answer to the question asked.) Honestly don't think you can over-emphasize the importance of G&R money to B1G. At big, research oriented schools grant and research money dwarfs athletic revenue. I think the pick up of R and Maryland was a good idea on many levels. I didn't say athletics was unimportant. I didn't say 'footprint' was unimportant. I didn't say eyeballs watching TV was unimportant. I am saying the B1G wants to get into bed with G&R producing machines. I am saying this is more important than football, BB, etc. The BIG would love to get their hands on UNC, Duke (private, small, and brings in a ton of money), and maybe, maybe GT. Problem...they don't want to come - other then maybe GT. (Oh, I don't think you are going to have to worry about the NCAA for much longer...a lion w/o teeth in the not too distant future.) So, what the hell. Different is good. Go for University of Toronto. (btw - Rutgers and Maryland do a reasonably good job with R&G money. It wasn't all about TV.)International colleges are outside the NCAA. Among many other reasons - I doubt this ever happens.
You seem way too focused on research and grant. The B1G wants revenue. UMD and RU were not added because of research of grant dollars, but because of the media markets these like-minded Universities were located in.
Yeah, U of Toronto is an outside shot. However, is there another untapped market in US with similar numbers? (I know someone will fine one and call me on it - that's the problem when you don't know the answer to the question asked.) Honestly don't think you can over-emphasize the importance of G&R money to B1G. At big, research oriented schools grant and research money dwarfs athletic revenue. I think the pick up of R and Maryland was a good idea on many levels. I didn't say athletics was unimportant. I didn't say 'footprint' was unimportant. I didn't say eyeballs watching TV was unimportant. I am saying the B1G wants to get into bed with G&R producing machines. I am saying this is more important than football, BB, etc. The BIG would love to get their hands on UNC, Duke (private, small, and brings in a ton of money), and maybe, maybe GT. Problem...they don't want to come - other then maybe GT. (Oh, I don't think you are going to have to worry about the NCAA for much longer...a lion w/o teeth in the not too distant future.) So, what the hell. Different is good. Go for University of Toronto. (btw - Rutgers and Maryland do a reasonably good job with R&G money. It wasn't all about TV.)
International colleges are outside the NCAA. Among many other reasons - I doubt this ever happens.
You seem way too focused on research and grant. The B1G wants revenue. UMD and RU were not added because of research of grant dollars, but because of the media markets these like-minded Universities were located in.
There is one exception, I believe, Simon Fraser out of Vancouver is a NCAA division II member.
Okay.It was all about TV, man.
Nebraska would not have been accepted if G&R were the first criteria - as it has been known Michigan and other B1G Presidents were the decision makers kicking them out of the AAU.
The B1G is an athletic conference - which is first and foremost - with an identiy of land grant research universities. Delany wassn't shopping for research grants when he added Nebraska, PSU, RU, and UMD. He was investing in programs that could increase the profitability of the Athletic Conference and would fit in with the identity of the conference.
I honestly don't know how to respond. Things may look different 20 years down the road. College football certainly doesn't look the same today as twenty years ago. What does? Perhaps consider it a B1G long term investment. An associate member for the first 15 years. (I'm just spit-balling here, of course.) As things are now structured there are problems to overcome. Not insurmountable ...I've read that it would be unlikely for Toronto or McGill to place their hockey teams in the NCAA because they are very attached to the system they have in place now (I can't remember the details of that). It might have something to do with it being a huge culture change for them to put their athletes on full-ride.
In any case, if you get Toronto but you don't get hockey, the rest of their sports bring next to nothing.
B1G added Hopkins for lacrosse so they could have a 6 team league & get an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament.
Same reason Penn St became the 6th hockey school
Having a strong hockey team in a good TV and recruiting market for the sport (CY/New England), is not as important tot he B1G as football; but, it is a check in UConn's favor. There have been rumors that once Rutgers gets its financial house in order (my Rutgers alumni friends all agree that it will not be in our lifetimes), Rutgers will be pushed by the B1G to add hockey.
That is some impressive international NCAA Division II membership knowledge.