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upstater said:
Did someone say it would be due to women's sports? No. So why twist things?

Anyone who thinks UConn women's bball doesn't matter has his head inserted in A N U S. On SNY, it's been the highest rated show on ALL of TV including the networks in market with over 1 million cable TV sets.

If you think that's nothing, you know nothing.
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Yep. Women's hoop doesn't matter much, but it matters the most to the one league with a network in need of content. UConn women are most valuable to the B1G. And, as we've seen with ND, being in a league with them allows the other schools to recruit better and upgrade. Put UConn in the B1G and inside 3 years, the B1G is the dominant league for women's hoops. Ratings would be up across the board.
 
mavblues said:
You guys still haven't figured out who BuffaloLion is?

Warde Manuel came to Uconn from _________ (Buffalo)
Warde's family is a descendant of the Mayan culture. In the Proto-Mayan language, "Manuel" or "Manu-El" roughly translates as "Lion-hearted".
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This thread identifies him/her as Penn State fan. We had some other supporters in that thread as well.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Let's get the mojo rolling from our new favorite internet poster BuffaloLion:

murrmurr wrote:
bagoodboy wrote:​
If the Big can't get UNC to join with UVa, then rather than trying to convince GT to live on a remote island or gain a marketable share of Boston and praying that either would force the cable companies to cooperate, it would make more sure thing $ sense to go for St Louis and Kansas City. That's right, grab Missouri from the SEC. This would be a big power play that the SEC might not mind losing all that much. Especially since this would allow them to invite UNC, Duke, and VT, and still stay at 16.​
That would open the door for FSU, Miami, Clemson, and GT to the B12, with the possible later additions of UL and NCSU, or even Syracuse, whomever. ​
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If the B1G's southern strategy doesn't work out (and it seems to be hitting some road bumps) I think this might not be a far fetched as it initially sounds.​

The more time that goes by the stronger the wall Swofford and ESPN will build to keep the ACC together. It'll still lose a piece or two, but will be fine.

I'm thinking that UVA is ready to go, B1G wishes UNC would abandon ship but won't, GT is likes the B1G but can't really afford to and doesn't want to be on an island, so that leaves Boston College and UConn; UConn supplements the NYC market, which Rutgers already provides, while BC would get them more into the New England markets.

You may not realize it, but UConn's campus is only half the distance from Boston that Morgantown is to Charleston. UConn is actually 55 miles closer to Boston than it is to New York City. Not only does UConn have a market presence in Boston, but they absolutely blow every other New York City area team out of the water with their New York City basketball ratings.

UConn and Hartford (where they play football) has easy access to the rest of New England, and, if they were given a Big Ten presence, would deliver the entire of New England to the Big Ten. BC would become even less relevant than they are now. You are comparing a state flagship institution with basically no other competition in their own state to a private institution with competiting loyalities from numerous other colleges withing their own city.

The potential of UConn 25 to 50 years out if they are in the Big Ten is off the charts. Within 5 years, if the Big Ten added BOTH Virginia AND UConn, the Big Ten would probably dominate College Basketball having locked up the rich recruiting grounds from New York City to Richmond.

The Big Ten would be absolutely out of their mind to take Boston College over UConn.
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Plus, in an earlier post, he said that Delany has a report that shows this.

"UConn would end up being a gold mine in the Big Ten. That may suprise some people, but the recently done study Delany did was EXTREMELY positive looking 25 to 50 years out."
 
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jostar1 said:
Plus, in an earlier post, he said that Delany has a report that shows this.

"UConn would end up being a gold mine in the Big Ten. That may suprise some people, but the recently done study Delany did was EXTREMELY positive looking 25 to 50 years out."
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What I don't buy: that anyone cares 25-50 years out. Who knows what things look like then? 5-10, 10-15, I can buy projecting out that much. No body projects out 25-50. It's so absurd it makes me think the person is joking.
 
BuffaloLion also wrote:

No question about it. UConn is big longshot. But as I said. If it's between one of the 3 northeast schools, they win out on most of the metrics. Not all, but I would say 80 to 90 percent.

The 3 major on the surface disadvantages UConn has, if you look deeper into the metrics, become negligible. Especially if you look 25 to 50 years out.

1.) Notre Dame's preference for Boston College: Is one additional televised Notre Dame game every two years offset by UConn's ability to deliver New York City basketball ratings, and deliver football ratings in all of New England? Very much so.

2.) Smaller state population than Massachusetts or New York: Yes, but the demographics are not normal in UConn's case. They ARE, basically New York City's basketball school, and, in football, are closer to roughly 12 million more people within a 150 mile radius than BC is. Easy access to their stadium from all parts of New England, INCLUDING most of Massachusetts.

Just as a point of reference, Penn State has a 110,000 seat stadium that is in the middle of the mountains in the middle of nowhere about 150 miles from Pittsburgh and 200 miles from Philadelphia. With a Big Ten presence, UConn has unlimited potential for growth. BC and Syracuse (neither being state flagship institutions and both having numerous competiting Universities within their regions) have far more limited growth potential.

3.) Hockey: Boston College is the defending NCAA Champion and the one thing BC has that the Big Ten envies. However UConn has a Division One Hockey team too, and with the increased exposure UConn would get on the Big Ten Network, and the additional funding coming into their athletic program, they would be able to upgrade their facilities.

BC won't be National Champions forever, and the Big Ten already has VERY VERY VERY good Hockey. Even though UConn isn't close to BC right now, within 10 to 20 years, they could easily surpass them with the increased assets and exposure available to them by being a member of the Big Ten. At the very least, UConn would still give the Big Ten a larger presence in New England for recruiting purposes.

As you say, "a big if". But if we're JUST comparing the 3 northeast schools, UConn is a no brainer.
 
tzznandrew said:
What I don't buy: that anyone cares 25-50 years out. Who knows what things look like then? 5-10, 10-15, I can buy projecting out that much. No body projects out 25-50. It's so absurd it makes me think the person is joking.
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I agree, but it makes sense as a tie-breaker between otherwise equal programs (say programs that bring near term returns within 0-3? 0-5? Million of each other over the next 5-10 years). In that regard its worth the assessment and I would believe through my blue colored glasses that Delaney would not only note this but come away with that conclusion. The often spoken about B1G criteria are attributes that could be defined as key long term growth drivers (research endowments, state backing, deep rooted alumni bases, sizeable markets white space for growth (i.e. no direct market competition).

What Uconn has done in their football infancy is part of this indicator of potential. What they did in terms of developing themselves academically and in basketball is an indicator of this potential.

If we believe we can deliver tv market revenue competitive with other options over the next 10 years given our geography and are competitive enough on the field to not dillute content (debateable) over that period, then our upside has to be competitive against anyone else in the conversation.
 
tzznandrew said:
What I don't buy: that anyone cares 25-50 years out. Who knows what things look like then? 5-10, 10-15, I can buy projecting out that much. No body projects out 25-50. It's so absurd it makes me think the person is joking.
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Delany said it himself.

Delany added that the Big Ten wouldn’t rush into its decision because, “You’re trying to figure out what you’re going to be for the next 25 to 50 years.”

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ten-commissioner-jim-delany-no-news-here.html
 
tzznandrew said:
What I don't buy: that anyone cares 25-50 years out. Who knows what things look like then? 5-10, 10-15, I can buy projecting out that much. No body projects out 25-50. It's so absurd it makes me think the person is joking.
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Only weak point with that report. Otherwise it makes as much sense as anything. Delaney should go after Virginia and UNC with UNC the target and Virginia the bridge! I still don't understand the logic of GT. If UNC doesn't budge, then Virginia and UConn would be a great second choice. What Delaney loses in tv markets he makes up in the strongest bb conference (not as strong as what UNC would bring) and regional competition. And no disrespect to Frank, but the inroads into the Southeast for football recruiting won't be made by getting UNC, Virginia, and GT. That is fantasy thinking.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
Only weak point with that report. .
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Delany said it himself.

Delany added that the Big Ten wouldn’t rush into its decision because, “You’re trying to figure out what you’re going to be for the next 25 to 50 years.”

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ten-commissioner-jim-delany-no-news-here.html

"You're not trying to find somebody you want to spend a year with. You're trying to find out who you are going to be (with) for the next 25-50 years."

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...leagues-that-expansion-is-not-on-fast-track/1
 
jostar1 said:
Delany said it himself.

Delany added that the Big Ten wouldn’t rush into its decision because, “You’re trying to figure out what you’re going to be for the next 25 to 50 years.”

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ten-commissioner-jim-delany-no-news-here.html
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Then it was the only weak thing Delaney said.:) Projecting ten years out is a stretch. But I understand his hyperbole. He wants people to know he's thinking long term. I think stating that would have been better than putting a number down, particularly a number as large as 25 to 50 years in a period of history where change is daily.
 
jostar1 said:
BuffaloLion also wrote:

As you say, "a big if". But if we're JUST comparing the 3 northeast schools, UConn is a no brainer.
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I hate to get also nelsonmuntz and negative but saying UConn is a no brainer is like the kiss of death.

Other than that, I love the post.

25-50 years out may be the one thing that gets us in so I'm not going to argue against it.
 
Waquoit said:
I wonder if there will be CFB in 25 years.
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That's a very smart thing to wonder on many fronts. Safety and being used for others to profit are two, lawsuits in progress there. The results of these, win or lose, will bring top HS football players to make other decisions... And someone will be there, seeing the money, to offer an alternative. NFLDL ...?

I'm not a huge college football fan so I am biased... But I hate that uconn's field hockey team, for eg, may have to travel to New Orleans or Tulsa to play a match or whatever they call it. Is that really feasible monetarily? I already know it's not smart in terms of their studies / academics. Sad state of affairs.
 
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except for Cuse,and to a lesser degree Pitt, Louisville,and even BC.
The only thing we have in common with the ACC is basketball.
We have more culturial ties to the midwest especially Ohio and Mich.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
except for Cuse,and to a lesser degree Pitt, Louisville,and even BC.
The only thing we have in common with the ACC is basketball.
We have more culturial ties to the midwest especially Ohio and Mich.
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You're forgetting the tobacco in the Hartford valley. We could argue that we are part of tobacco road!:)
 
AZHuskiePop said:
Thats cigar tobacco not cigarette. We have more in common with Cuba.
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You are forgetting the TV sets between Springfield and Greenwich, plus the money in Fairfield county. The shenk and the Burt came from hedge fund money in Fairfield county. There is a lot of money her.
 
AZHuskiePop said:
except for Cuse,and to a lesser degree Pitt, Louisville,and even BC.
The only thing we have in common with the ACC is basketball.
We have more culturial ties to the midwest especially Ohio and Mich.
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Historicall this is true, however over the past 20 years, the connection from Northeast to VA, NC, SC, GA and FL have grown much stronger while I would say the connections to the midwest are flat or have declined. Far more people have migrated to the sunbelt from the northeast during this period than to the midwest. In time, the binding of the northeast and southeast will grow.... The advent of air conditioning has ushered in a new age - and to a lesser extent the new age has been expediated by cheap land in the south and right to work laws - but thats a whole other tangent...
 
It actually started 60 years ago( Didn't you ever hear the expression "Don't go South on me"
Comes from the loss of New England Textile jobs.
The Irony is these same jobs are now in Mexico, or the far east.
Cheap labor(child labor) trumps right to work laws.
That industry was lightly unionized and low paid when it was in the North
But is was more like the jobs leaving not so much an immgration.
Other then retirees looking for lower cost of living places has there been a substantial loss of people to the Carolinas.
I moved to AZ for that reason. I coulld pay crazy proberty tax in Ct or actually enjoy my retirement.
Americans have even moved to Mexico for that reason.
 
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Which group are we a better fit with? State Land Grant Universities shown in bold.

Big Ten

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Purdue University
University of Maryland at College Park
Michigan State University
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska-Lincoln
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
The Ohio State University
The Pennsylvania State University
University of Wisconsin–Madison
Northwestern
Indiana
Michigan
Iowa

ACC

North Carolina State University at Raleigh
Clemson University
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Wake Forest
Duke
UNC
UVA
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
 
jostar1 said:
Plus, in an earlier post, he said that Delany has a report that shows this.

"UConn would end up being a gold mine in the Big Ten. That may suprise some people, but the recently done study Delany did was EXTREMELY positive looking 25 to 50 years out."
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You may not realize it, but UConn's campus is only half the distance from Boston that Morgantown is to Charleston. UConn is actually 55 miles closer to Boston than it is to New York City. Not only does UConn have a market presence in Boston, but they absolutely blow every other New York City area team out of the water with their New York City basketball ratings.

UConn and Hartford (where they play football) has easy access to the rest of New England, and, if they were given a Big Ten presence, would deliver the entire of New England to the Big Ten. BC would become even less relevant than they are now. You are comparing a state flagship institution with basically no other competition in their own state to a private institution with competiting loyalities from numerous other colleges withing their own city.

The potential of UConn 25 to 50 years out if they are in the Big Ten is off the charts. Within 5 years, if the Big Ten added BOTH Virginia AND UConn, the Big Ten would probably dominate College Basketball having locked up the rich recruiting grounds from New York City to Richmond.

The Big Ten would be absolutely out of their mind to take Boston College over UConn.

I have to say that the big!0 would love us for the untapped New England Market...
 
Waquoit said:
I wonder if there will be CFB in 25 years.
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Knowing the Liberals in Washington, they might want disabiled people to play... maybe in 25 years, Washington will force you to play a BLIND QB, because if you don't you'd be sued for discrimination on the ADA act.
 
HuskyDogArt said:
Knowing the Liberals in Washington, they might want disabiled people to play... maybe in 25 years, Washington will force you to play a BLIND QB, because if you don't you'd be sued for discrimination on the ADA act.
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I know, give those lazy bastards a wheelchair ramp and they take a mile.

Is there a gene that makes certain people steer every conversation into paranoid slippery slope land?
 
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