B1G, ACC battle for New York

[uconndogs]

Whatever floats your boat man..........

 

[Adios]

I do think the ACC's approach in all this as it has come to be is interesting. It is focused on Virginia and the Carolinas as the center and spreads out from there. It is an economic plan that works. But the B1G will always remain a step ahead for reasons mentioned before, they are land-grant schools. The ACC and B1G will always remain an interesting battle but for us, the preferred destination is obvious. The ACC is not a fallback to complain about.

 

[JayRU09]

I come here because I'm also a fan of UConn. I know that as of now you are not irrelevant. I view you as the last piece to the NYC puzzle if the ACC/B1G decide to play that game.

 

[Adios]

I find it interesting that RU, Virginia and Cuse fans come to this board on such a regular basis........tells me all the talk on their boards about UCONN now being irrelevant due to CR is total bullsh*

You are also missing Minnesota, Iowa and Ohio State. At least.

 

[billybud]

Damn Billybud you must be at least my age (61) to remember that LI kid?I was in grammar school when he was at SU and to me even he's old!We in NJ always admired him tho as he played the way we did.....with rage lol!!After banning the Deacon Jones headslap and the Nitchske "clothesline tackle" our FB looks almost feminized?Whats next?flags in our backpockets?or 2 hand touch?Were a rule or 2 away from destroying Americas greatest and most masculine sport(hockey and boxing excepted)!! I'm a little pissed at FSU for grabbing Josue Matias from his touching RU commitment story in the NJ newspapers with his parents saying we were the only school that stood by him when he was injured in 1st game his Sr year then flipping the day b4 he could sign?What was up with that?We up North know how big football has become in the south as so much of the modern south are now transplanted Northerns and Midwesterners.I was stationed in Beaufort,SC in the corps in the late 60s and met a lot of "old time" Southerners who seem proud almost to arrogance but its better than the alternative!The South has a proud history and earned it during the civil war valiantly but "rise again on the FB field" lol!I hope you give Cuse a warm welcome when you meet and they really expect to give Clemson a warn reception this year at the dome.I wish we up here were as loyal to our states as you guys down south are.Im glad your curious enough to give Uconn and the BY an ear as most down there don't perceive NE FB as good as it is.....they can play IMO with almost anybody!I remember RU playing UF in Gainesville as 29 pt underdogs in the 80s and playing them to a draw with 1AA type players!

Semper Fi Nicky....I am 67 .

My only South Carolina duty was at PI.

Parris Island...Geiger, Onslow Beach, Key West Naval Underwater Swim School, Fort Benning Jump school, Amphib Underwater Recon ( at UDT Coronado Cal), Pickle Meadows, Pendleton, Camp Lejeune.

I was lucky, I guess, in my timing...graduated HS in 1964..into the Corps, When the Corps started really building up in Nam, I didn't have enough time left for a full tour.

 

[Husky25]

I come to this board and others that discuss CR because it is interesting to me, and I'd like to see UConn in the ACC at some point. I don't discuss CR on the Virginia board much because no one is interested. We don't have a CR board or much CR discussion going on.

I think that ship has sailed. I think UConn is aiming higher than the Artist Formerly Known as the Big East (errr...ACC North). And no one can blame them! ACC members have been leading UConn on for so long as it is.

I think if (and more likely when) the time comes for the ACC actually extends a bona fide invite - instead of the handshake with a buzzer - , the higher ups at UConn will go through back channels to the Big Ten. If the Big Ten offers, UConn jumps. If the Big Ten doesn't, UConn takes the consolation prize. Albeit, I'm a bit jaded at this point, but this remains my best guess and hope...Since UConn was left out of the Pittsburgh/Syracuse expansion, I've been ready to say duck* the ACC.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I wonder why it is "the shore" in Jersey?

Nobody in the south goes to the shore....we go to the beach.

"Shore" has a slightly different connotation than "beach." Beach is a specific reference to the sandy venue next to the water's edge. The beach implies activities like sunbathing and cavorting in the surf. Shore is a broader reference that includes beach stuff but also the bars and restaurants, boardwalk amusements, boating, etc.

 

[billybud]

I agree that the Big Ten seems most likely at present for UConn...

Who else in the east, other than maybe Cincinnati, makes any sense? And Cincy would be a far second.

If the B1G does expand by two, and if the GOR's really are the tie that binds, it would look like UConn would be one.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

You have to be a real visionary to see Rutgers as a good long play. And unless you are the Yankess we know one thing about the NYC market...they don't give a rat's a* if you don't win.

People in Florida saw a swamp. Walt saw Disney World.

 

[ctchamps]

We can revisit this in 10 years, and Rutgers will remain insignificant. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I know some laughed yesterday when I posted that Temple could provide to the ACC everything that Rutgers does to the Big Ten and more since Temple can at least win a basketball game. I still believe it. I don't know if the ACC would go that route, but it's available to them.

I hope to be here. And yes Temple could be an alternative. It faces the same difficulties Rutgers or any school that is trying to become a player faces. Personally I would have taken UConn, Temple and Rutgers over UConn, Cuse and Pitt at the time if I were the ACC and would be laughed out of this forum, never mind the ACC for this choice. Heck I wouldn't even have you as an ally. Add BC and Maryland and that would have been a good core of 5 northeastern universities with close proximity to get something started.

Those five universities would have a lot of work to do to get to a situation where they were relevant in football. But if they did they would dominate the last market still open to following college sports.

Would FSU or Clemson have liked that. Absolutely not. But FSU and Clemson have been getting top ten football classes for many years now and they have only shown periodic blips of doing something with those classes. When they chose Ville, don't you think they were doing the same thing all those in power do when wanting to avoid their population from over scrutinizing them. They divert attention away from themselves. So the FSU and Clemson administrations are going to make the case that the reason's for their shortcoming in performance in football was due to the weakness of the ACC as a football conference as opposed to their inability to get the right coaches. They'll blame the Virginia and North Carolina contingent as being the reason behind their failure. And it works because, as this forum demonstrates, we all don't add up 1 + 1 the same way or get the same results.

I would counter the Clemson and FSU argument with the logic that says if they couldn't go undefeated in a conference where everyone else is extremely weak, what makes anyone believe they could win in a conference that is composed of two or three programs of top ten quality. But what do I no what is logical.

 

[billybud]

"Shore" has a slightly different connotation than "beach." Beach is a specific reference to the sandy venue next to the water's edge. The beach implies activities like sunbathing and cavorting in the surf. Shore is a broader reference that includes beach stuff but also the bars and restaurants, boardwalk amusements, boating, etc.

Maybe...but when you go to the"beach" in the south...be it South Beach, Miami Beach, Daytona Beach, Myrtle Beach, Panama City Beach, Pensacola Beach...the term "beach" includes all....bars, amusement parks, the actual sandy beach, etc.

I think that it is a colloquial usage. Our waterfront towns have "beach" in the name.

 

[btstimpy]

I hope to be here. And yes Temple could be an alternative. It faces the same difficulties Rutgers or any school that is trying to become a player faces. Personally I would have taken UConn, Temple and Rutgers over UConn, Cuse and Pitt at the time if I were the ACC and would be laughed out of this forum, never mind the ACC for this choice. Heck I wouldn't even have you as an ally. Add BC and Maryland and that would have been a good core of 5 northeastern universities with close proximity to get something started.

Those five universities would have a lot of work to do to get to a situation where they were relevant in football. But if they did they would dominate the last market still open to following college sports.

Would FSU or Clemson have liked that. Absolutely not. But FSU and Clemson have been getting top ten football classes for many years now and they have only shown periodic blips of doing something with those classes. When they chose Ville, don't you think they were doing the same thing all those in power do when wanting to avoid their population from over scrutinizing them. They divert attention away from themselves. So the FSU and Clemson administrations are going to make the case that the reason's for their shortcoming in performance in football was due to the weakness of the ACC as a football conference as opposed to their inability to get the right coaches. They'll blame the Virginia and North Carolina contingent as being the reason behind their failure. And it works because, as this forum demonstrates, we all don't add up 1 + 1 the same way or get the same results.

I would counter the Clemson and FSU argument with the logic that says if they couldn't go undefeated in a conference where everyone else is extremely weak, what makes anyone believe they could win in a conference that is composed of two or three programs of top ten quality. But what do I no what is logical.

They wanted Louisville because a) Louisville is a closer drive for their fans. b) Louisville fans travel to road games and bowls pretty well c) Louisville like them have an instate rival that is in the SEC. It helps with the argument to keep the number of conference football games played in a season at 8.

I don't think that the ACC football conference is much weaker as a conference than the Big Ten Conference if at all. The ACC has a better bowl record than the Big Ten in the BCS era and a better winning percentage head to head. ACC teams have had trouble winning the Orange Bowl, but Big Ten teams usually lose the Rose Bowl. Heck even UVA, who is not the top football team in the ACC by any stretch, has a winning record since 2000 (2-1 vs Penn State, 2-0 vs Indiana, 1-0 vs Minnesota, 0-1 vs Wisconsin). The Big Ten's football glory days are in the 1960s and 1970s. Some in the media are still living off those days.

The SEC is another story entirely. They have a winning football record against the ACC. But the record in the Peach Bowl is about even.

 

[Fishy]

The ACC has been a spectacularly average conference - if the media gives the Big Ten a pass, and they do, they flat-out ignore the ACC's relative ineptitude in football.

 

[JayRU09]

The ACC is weaker through virtue of having less quality teams and being built on a foundation that requires a GOR and an entire network backing all three tiers of programming to make it seem stable.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

It has to do with lack of alumni and fan support for the size athletics program Maryland is trying to run. They need a smaller athletic department for the budget that they can afford. The problem for Maryland is that now they are going into a conference that has several programs that will operate on more than twice the budget that Maryland can afford. It will be difficult for Maryland to compete, and if the quality of the product they put on the field or on the court suffers, then the fans disappear.

For Maryland's sake they better hope Dr. Wallace Loh has a plan. For it is he that has set them on this course.

Football should not be a problem for Maryland going forward, there are enough B1G alumni in the Beltway to make-up for Maryland’s own fickle fans. Of course, that means Maryland home games against Ohio St, Michigan, etc. will look a lot like UConn basketball games at Providence, St, John’s, Seton Hall, etc.

 

[freescooter]

The ACC is weaker through virtue of having less quality teams and being built on a foundation that requires a GOR and an entire network backing all three tiers of programming to make it seem stable.

Actually, the ACC is weaker by a lot based on the over all quality of play and the lack of any significant teams other than Florida State. I keep hearing about Clemson, but good grief, if that's the #2 that shows just how low the league is. VaTech is probably the best of the bunch but they are not a national team in the sense that Ohio State, or Michigan or even Iowa and Michigan State are.

 

[btstimpy]

The ACC is weaker through virtue of having less quality teams and being built on a foundation that requires a GOR and an entire network backing all three tiers of programming to make it seem stable.

How do you define quality teams? Is it wins and losses? Is Penn State a quality team? Uva has won 2 out of 3 against them in the past 12 years. Does that make UVA more quality? Miami split with Ohio State, blowing out Ohio State a couple of years ago. I wonder if Miami is more quality? I will grant you that they have larger stadiums and larger alumni bases, but I don't see more quality teams. Not in the BCS era anyway.

 

[JayRU09]

It's all about those $$$$$$$$$$$ son.

And yes, OSU, Mich, PSU, MSU, Wisc, and Neb are teams that are better than any six team lineup you can make out of the ACC.

 

[btstimpy]

Actually, the ACC is weaker by a lot based on the over all quality of play and the lack of any significant teams other than Florida State. I keep hearing about Clemson, but good grief, if that's the #2 that shows just how low the league is. VaTech is probably the best of the bunch but they are not a national team in the sense that Ohio State, or Michigan or even Iowa and Michigan State are.

Michigan is 4-7 in their bowl appearances since 2000. Ohio State is 6-6. Michigan State is 3-5. The Nation gets to watch these teams lose an awful lot. If you call that impressive on a national basis, you can. But most don't.

 

[JayRU09]

They also face higher quality opponents than most ACC bowl tie ins.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

UNC's 'fiefdom' died when the first expansion came to pass. UNC was 100 percent against going past 10 teams, but,they got outvoted, 7-2, on that one. The University has basically been against all ACC expansion, but, they know they're powerless to stop it. Now, they do exert a lot of influence, but, UNC's influence within the ACC is minute, compared to what Texas has in the Big 12.

I agree. Texas is the XII. UNC, while not as powerful as Texas, is the glue that holds the ACC together. If UNC left the ACC, everyone else would follow them out the door with the only question being where each goes to (B1G v SEC v XII or in Wake Forest’s case, joining UConn in purgatory).

 

[SubbaBub]

Doesn't all this RU/SU and ACC/B1G fighting on our board serve as proof we are part of the NYC DMA?

 

[btstimpy]

Football should not be a problem for Maryland going forward, there are enough B1G alumni in the Beltway to make-up for Maryland’s own fickle fans. Of course, that means Maryland home games against Ohio St, Michigan, etc. will look a lot like UConn basketball games at Providence, St, John’s, Seton Hall, etc.

That's going to be a lot of fun for Maryland isn't it? We just had Penn State in Charlottesville last September, and I was proud to say we limited them to the end zone where visting fans sit. They did trickle out a little in the upper deck of the end zone, but not much. They are likely to totally take over Maryland's stadium.

Now all we need to do is figure out how to keep Hokies limited in our stadium. They tend to find a way to get too many tickets all over the stadium. That one is frustrating.

 

[JayRU09]

Doesn't all this RU/SU and ACC/B1G fighting on our board serve as proof we are part of the NYC DMA?

Yes. Because you're way friggin' closer to NYC than Cuse is.

I want UConn and Kansas (unless Mizzou would jump again, then I want Mizzou and UConn).

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I'm going to Jersey City to watch St Peters Prep's practice as the #1 RB in NJ is going to commit today to either OSU or RU and I want to see him...Jonathan Hilliman 6'1" 220 and record it as the big dogs are starting to stay home to play in the B1G!!Exciting times we live in after years of dissapointment until Mulcahy and Schiano took the reigns!Pernetti/Herman and Flood are still building on a rock foundation slowly rather than (short term/JUCO) stilts!!

FYI, The Don Bosco game at Paramus Catholic is going to be on ESPN2. I can only imagine the traffic for that.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/2...atholic_to_air_live_to_air_live_on_ESPN2.html

 

[SubbaBub]

Yes. Because you're way friggin' closer to NYC than Cuse is.

I want UConn and Kansas (unless Mizzou would jump again, then I want Mizzou and UConn).

If I'm the B1G, I want UConn/Kansas or UConn/UVa. But, I'm biased.

 

[JayRU09]

I just think another western school is needed to appease Wisky and Nebraska, and Mizzou would be a better football pick than Kansas. Though the thought of them jumping again is almost comical, and I came up with it.

 

[billybud]

They also face higher quality opponents than most ACC bowl tie ins.

I agree that the ACC bowl tie ins have not been wonderful.

FSU does have the nation's longest active consecutive bowl winning streak going....

Over Wisconsin, WVU, South Carolina, Notre Dame, and (ugh) Northern Illinois.

 

[JayRU09]

I can barely count that WVU one. Basically them giving Bowden a present.

 

[SouthronCross]

Maybe I was a little impulsive on that one.

I can appreciate your passion for RU. You all have a great opportunity in front of you. If you can begin to keep NJ's best HSFB talent at home, you will make some noise in the B1G.