B1G, ACC battle for New York

[NickyNewark]

I was thinking the same thing and don't think the troll's aren't FULLY aware and ATTRACTED by the title!!

 

[NickyNewark]

Good grief, it has devolved into a 'I know you are, but, what am I' conversation.

When you stick to the subject going forward, we can talk then.

Maybe I was a little impulsive on that one.

 

[billybud]

Rutgers hasn't really yet resonated as a football program in the deep south...

2001-2012, Rutgers has won a little less than 40% of their Big East games. Has won 11% of games with teams that were ranked at the end of the year (AP/Coaches).

 

[billybud]

But....Rutgers bowl record is enviable.....

 

[NickyNewark]

There are interesting dynamics in conference realignment....

Much of fan interest is geography based. Heated rivalries usually involve several ingredients...

1...Relative proximity....... Adjacent states, same state...games like Alabama-Auburn, Ohio St.-Michigan, FSU-Miami, Texas-Oklahoma, Pitt-WVU, Fla-Georgia, etc.

2...Relative parity .....If one team is 19-2 vs another (like FSU-Maryland) hard to get worked up into a rivalry mode.

3...The game means something...regularly playing a program for the division title, conference title, state bragging rights, etc.

Rivalries are not easy to come by....23 years into the ACC and FSU is just now building its only rivalry (Miami existed before ACC). The Clemson game is a budding rivalry.


I think that it is difficult for fans of schools separated as far as New England and Florida are, to build real rivalries. The beauty of the SEC is its compactness. On any given fall saturday, caravans of fans, flags flying, move across the southeast on their way to an opponent's stadium.

Very good sensible post and very true but the infusion of dollars(greed) is ruining everything (most) of what your saying by the breakup of the regionality of CFB and trying a sort of NFL model which is good for the NFL but not so good for what made CFB unique!I always enjoyed the state or regional pride aspect of CFB and the once a year bragging rights that went with it.I would like to play PSU,UConn,SU.Temple,Pitt and BC every year but after "03" greed took over and the word CR became a cloud over everything I loved about CFB!! Now every rumor takes on a life of its own and the band played on....Uh Oh here comes the music!!

 

[NickyNewark]

Rutgers hasn't really yet resonated as a football program in the deep south...

2001-2012, Rutgers has won a little less than 40% of their Big East games. Has won 11% of games with teams that were ranked at the end of the year (AP/Coaches).

Billy Ive seen your handle before numerous times b4??Aren't you on the SU boards?@yes but they've won 75%+ since "06"!!8 bowls in 9 seasons!RU has resonated better than SU who waits for recruits in hopes RU don't take them like Hallman and Ish Witter who both put Cuse on hold hoping RU has room for them and Witter still don't like Cuse as hes eyeing Mizzou now!

 

[NickyNewark]

Billy Ive seen your handle before numerous times b4??Aren't you on the SU boards?@yes but they've won 75%+ since "06"!!8 bowls in 9 seasons!RU has resonated better than SU who waits for recruits in hopes RU don't take them like Hallman and Ish Witter who both put Cuse on hold hoping RU has room for them and Witter still don't like Cuse as hes eyeing Mizzou now!

Lifetime RU has an .520 winning percentage but you'd think it was .400% by the way "certain" schools try to paint it !!And they've played around 1300 games?1869 in the 1st game!RU has been here longer than we've been a nation!

 

[NickyNewark]

I'm going to Jersey City to watch St Peters Prep's practice as the #1 RB in NJ is going to commit today to either OSU or RU and I want to see him...Jonathan Hilliman 6'1" 220 and record it as the big dogs are starting to stay home to play in the B1G!!Exciting times we live in after years of dissapointment until Mulcahy and Schiano took the reigns!Pernetti/Herman and Flood are still building on a rock foundation slowly rather than (short term/JUCO) stilts!!

 

[billybud]

Billy Ive seen your handle before numerous times b4??Aren't you on the SU boards?@yes but they've won 75%+ since "06"!!8 bowls in 9 seasons!RU has resonated better than SU who waits for recruits in hopes RU don't take them like Hallman and Ish Witter who both put Cuse on hold hoping RU has room for them and Witter still don't like Cuse as hes eyeing Mizzou now!

I have never been on a Cuse board...I have posted 13,000 plus posts over the last 10 years on the WVU board where you may have seen my handle.

My home board is FSU's Warchant. Syracuse and Rutgers might as well be as far away as the frozen tundra of Siberia to the average north Florida Seminole fan. We are very much attuned to what is going on in the SEC. Tallahassee's northern city limit is 16 miles from the Georgia line and about 50 miles to the Alabama border. Many of our families migrated to north Florida from Georgia and Alabama. I was born in Alabama (my birth certificate registers me as a Bama fan). You are registered at birth as an Auburn or Bama guy.

I was raised in Pensacola, went to school at FSU and Wisconsin and have lived in Tallahassee for decades.

I don't know what to make of the ACC any more. When you have teams that are spread from near the Canadian border to just an inner tube ride from Cuba, it just makes no geographic sense for fans. I have no feeling one way or another about Syracuse...I only know that the legendary Jim Brown played for them.

 

[Pudge]

There you go ... two Know-nothings debating on a UConn board.

Rutgers? I have not been paying attention to Rutgers for too long. It was a mere few years ago that I went to a Syracuse v Rutgers game in Piscataway and about 18,000 people attended. My belief is that Rutgers, Schiano and Co. did a wonderful job upgrading that Program ... but it can sink into irrelevance easily. It's not thick passion. It's a bunch of yahoos. Their success? Gained playing Norfolk State and Howard. They slimed their way along and never won a title. In most all sports, they don't have any semblance of winning. No championships in either Conference play or on a National level.

Syracuse is Jim Brown. And Ernie Davis. And their long time coach in the 50s/60s and their Old Coach Mac in the 80s. PP had a good decade. But, they have NO future. Central NY is a wasteland with NO market. We in Albany know that they are way down our interest level ... and that dissipates far more into NYC and metropolitan surroundings. It is a Brand where the Townies of a small dying Upstate NY city live. Their Alums don't stay there.

Two Programs that barely deserve this P5 status.

And UCONN ... where you are ... a small State school. Of course. With a Brand. But a history of Excellence. Men's BB and (of course) the dynasty in WBB. A growing program in Football. Championship caliber sports across the board in Baseball, Soccer (both), etc. We will be good at the highest echelon of Hockey. We do things absolutely right ... across many sports and academically we have climbed incredibly (Florida State guy you can leave the discussion at this point). I'd say we have been repeatedly screwed by Administrations that should have been our partners. We will find our niche. But ... damn ... Rutgers? Syracuse? Pitt? BC? I'd give Rutgers a chance at a good future. The others????

 

[Sea Goat]

I have never been on a Cuse board...I have posted 13,000 plus posts over the last 10 years on the WVU board where you may have seen my handle.

My home board is FSU's Warchant. Syracuse and Rutgers might as well be as far away as the frozen tundra of Siberia to the average north Florida Seminole fan. We are very much attuned to what is going on in the SEC. Tallahassee's northern city limit is 16 miles from the Georgia line and about 50 miles to the Alabama border. Many of our families migrated to north Florida from Georgia and Alabama. I was born in Alabama (my birth certificate registers me as a Bama fan). You are registered at birth as an Auburn or Bama guy.

I was raised in Pensacola, went to school at FSU and Wisconsin and have lived in Tallahassee for decades.

I don't know what to make of the ACC any more. When you have teams that are spread from near the Canadian border to just an inner tube ride from Cuba, it just makes no geographic sense for fans. I have no feeling one way or another about Syracuse...I only know that the legendary Jim Brown played for them.

Yup, Jim Brown played for them - 58 years ago! Let's talk about the old Ivy League when it was a national power!

The bigger issue is what did the ACC actually gain by the flurry of CR activity? 2 former BE schools (Pitt and Syracuse) that are decent schools which bring pretty good hoops to the ACC, but, in football, are no better than UConn after it's been in D-1 for only 9 yrs, a prima donna (ND) as a part time member that really calls its own shots in football matters and, finally, a school, which is currently strong in football and hoops, but can only barely graduate 50% of its students in 6 years!

While this still results in the ACC being much better than our gulag, what will the long term success of the ACC be? If it is one of the P-5 conferences, it is the weakest. I would rate the B1G, the SEC, the Big-12 and the Pac-12 ahead of it on all fronts.

For UConn, let's hope the B1G calls !

 

[ctchamps]

I still believe a northest pod of UConn-Syracuse-BC would have been a boon for the league. Maybe it still will e.

I totally see your point concerning RU (I am already sold on UConn joining the ACC). Swofford might agree with you, too. But, selling what RU offers, and, then getting the ACC members to vote them in, is another thing altogether.

A UConn, Cuse, BC pod would be better in bb and worse in football than a UConn, RU, BC pod. The reason is geography. A football stadium is harder to fill than a bb arena. Since all four programs are struggling the best way to develop these programs in tandem is to have good coaches, get good players and generate fan excitement. But you not only need people in the seats you need to establish a group of teams you love to hate. This is why UNC-Duke and NY-Red Sox works so well. Proximity geographically is the parameter I'm emphasizing. And I'm emphasizing the value of football over bb even though I'm slightly more a UConn bb fan than a Uconn football fan.

Kids in NY and NE are eating the same foods as Jersey and Penn. They basically come from the same range of livestock. The only difference between these two regions is cultural. So how does excitement get generated for football in these regions. A combination of increased success and exposure will develop these areas that are disinterested. And the best exposure would be to bring kids to the stadiums. If I were Cuse, BC and UConn I'd be getting kids from area hs's to watch games at the stadiums. I would give free tickets to various schools as an incentive. But I wouldn't do it until there is an exciting team on the field. It would mean a reduction in revenues but it would change the paradigm of disinterest.

As far as my comment about UConn and Rutgers overtaking BC and Cuse its about the difficulties private schools are/will be having relative to the publics. I don't know much about RU but UConn has made incredible leaps with attracting better academic students. They are attracting the type of student that previously would go to schools like BC and Cuse. In other words UConn is eating into the supply chain of those schools. And that is what I meant by overtaking.

 

[btstimpy]

There are interesting dynamics in conference realignment....

Much of fan interest is geography based. Heated rivalries usually involve several ingredients...

1...Relative proximity....... Adjacent states, same state...games like Alabama-Auburn, Ohio St.-Michigan, FSU-Miami, Texas-Oklahoma, Pitt-WVU, Fla-Georgia, etc.

2...Relative parity .....If one team is 19-2 vs another (like FSU-Maryland) hard to get worked up into a rivalry mode.

3...The game means something...regularly playing a program for the division title, conference title, state bragging rights, etc.

Rivalries are not easy to come by....23 years into the ACC and FSU is just now building its only rivalry (Miami existed before ACC). The Clemson game is a budding rivalry.


I think that it is difficult for fans of schools separated as far as New England and Florida are, to build real rivalries. The beauty of the SEC is its compactness. On any given fall saturday, caravans of fans, flags flying, move across the southeast on their way to an opponent's stadium.

I hear what you are saying, but somehow I don't see the SEC as compact. It's 1000 miles between Gainsville, FL and Columbia, MO for a SEC East game. It's 900 miles between Columbia, SC and Columbia, MO. You must be thinking Auburn vs Alabama. That is compact, but so is UNC vs NCState and UVA-VT. I think that if the ACC were to get to 16 teams, it could reorganize the division for more regional competition. I'm glad Clemson has elevated its game enough to make the FSU-Clemson games fun for fans.

BC should support UConn's membership for just this very point of proximity.

 

[ctchamps]

You hit the nail right on the head with the word 'if.' I am more sold on the idea of UConn getting up to the next level than I am on RU. They've been smack in the middle of a top-flight rcruiting ground for HS sports, but, they've never taken advantage of it. Being in the B1G is no doubt a positive, but, it hasn't helped the likes of Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, or, Purdue over the long term. Maybe they will be different, but, until they do, I will be a skeptic. Just like I am a skeptic of my own team.

I don't know anything about Florida but my guess would be you are correct and that state would swing according to the relative success of FSU and Florida. But I live in South Carolina and have watched SC Clemson games in many parts of the state at sports bars. The ratio of fans is between 70-80% USC over Clemson at the sports bars which is consistent with what people keep telling me when I do my informal survey of how the state trends.

What is unique about the 20-30% fans in SC that support Clemson is that they are every bit as passionate as the majority of fans supporting the USC teams. They don't have any sense of inferiority and, by their stadium numbers, back up their passion by placing people in the seats.

My uneducated understanding of the support ratio being what it is has less to do about success than about the cultural attitude and demographics of the state. USC is perceived by the average South Carolinian as the every man's university. Clemson is perceive as being more elite. And SC is still in a rebellious cultural attitude towards anything elite and the GDP in the state is in the last percentile of the U.S.

In another post I felt the ACC had the markets of NC, Virginia, Md and Fl if the ACC teams in Florida did better than the SEC team. The rest of the markets were SEC. Three and one half states does not make a case for developing an ACC network especially since the most important 1/2, Florida, is whimsical. And this is why many of us in this forum are relating to you and @bstimpy the mistakes Swofford and the ACC have made by not taking UConn and Rutgers. The ACC could have ultimately, if RU, UConn and BC improve a modicum in football and do some of the things I pointed out in the other post, get NJ, most of the populous areas of NY, and NE. I would have added RU and UConn first and then considered Syracuse to shore up NY.

But the ACC wet for the sexy short term fix instead of the smarter long term fix.

 

[hthusky74]

I don't know anything about Florida but my guess would be you are correct and that state would swing according to the relative success of FSU and Florida. But I live in South Carolina and have watched SC Clemson games in many parts of the state at sports bars. The ratio of fans is between 70-80% USC over Clemson at the sports bars which is consistent with what people keep telling me when I do my informal survey of how the state trends.

What is unique about the 20-30% fans in SC that support Clemson is that they are every bit as passionate as the majority of fans supporting the USC teams. They don't have any sense of inferiority and, by their stadium numbers, back up their passion by placing people in the seats.

My uneducated understanding of the support ratio being what it is has less to do about success than about the cultural attitude and demographics of the state. USC is perceived by the average South Carolinian as the every man's university. Clemson is perceive as being more elite. And SC is still in a rebellious cultural attitude towards anything elite and the GDP in the state is in the last percentile of the U.S.

In another post I felt the ACC had the markets of NC, Virginia, Md and Fl if the ACC teams in Florida did better than the SEC team. The rest of the markets were SEC. Three and one half states does not make a case for developing an ACC network especially since the most important 1/2, Florida, is whimsical. And this is why many of us in this forum are relating to you and @bstimpy the mistakes Swofford and the ACC have made by not taking UConn and Rutgers. The ACC could have ultimately, if RU, UConn and BC improve a modicum in football and do some of the things I pointed out in the other post, get NJ, most of the populous areas of NY, and NE. I would have added RU and UConn first and then considered Syracuse to shore up NY.

But the ACC wet for the s e xy short term fix instead of the smarter long term fix.

Of course most people in any state would prefer a Gamecock

 

[ctchamps]

Of course most people in any state would prefer a Gamecock

In this state there is no gaming the system. They like one syllable words and they definitely shout out their "Clocks" at games and in public. L added to avoid censorship.

 

[btstimpy]

I don't know anything about Florida but my guess would be you are correct and that state would swing according to the relative success of FSU and Florida. But I live in South Carolina and have watched SC Clemson games in many parts of the state at sports bars. The ratio of fans is between 70-80% USC over Clemson at the sports bars which is consistent with what people keep telling me when I do my informal survey of how the state trends.

What is unique about the 20-30% fans in SC that support Clemson is that they are every bit as passionate as the majority of fans supporting the USC teams. They don't have any sense of inferiority and, by their stadium numbers, back up their passion by placing people in the seats.

My uneducated understanding of the support ratio being what it is has less to do about success than about the cultural attitude and demographics of the state. USC is perceived by the average South Carolinian as the every man's university. Clemson is perceive as being more elite. And SC is still in a rebellious cultural attitude towards anything elite and the GDP in the state is in the last percentile of the U.S.

In another post I felt the ACC had the markets of NC, Virginia, Md and Fl if the ACC teams in Florida did better than the SEC team. The rest of the markets were SEC. Three and one half states does not make a case for developing an ACC network especially since the most important 1/2, Florida, is whimsical. And this is why many of us in this forum are relating to you and @bstimpy the mistakes Swofford and the ACC have made by not taking UConn and Rutgers. The ACC could have ultimately, if RU, UConn and BC improve a modicum in football and do some of the things I pointed out in the other post, get NJ, most of the populous areas of NY, and NE. I would have added RU and UConn first and then considered Syracuse to shore up NY.

But the ACC wet for the s e xy short term fix instead of the smarter long term fix.

I agree that the ACC should invite UConn. With Rutgers I don't agree. Rutgers has not been relevant in college athletics in at least half a century. And they are not likely to start being relevant any time in the future. I know that the Rutgers fans on here don't want to hear this, but it is fact. Rutgers is especially not relevant in New York City. Jim Delaney witnessed this when he last visited Rutgers. But he's after his New Jersey cable boxes.

South Carolina is not relevant in the SEC. They have been there for 20 years and never threatened to win a football or basketball championship. Only in the recent past has Steve Spurrier gotten them noticed, but just barely. When he retires, they'll go back to obscurity. They did finally win national championships in baseball. I'll give them that, but where have they been all these years?

 

[billybud]

I hear what you are saying, but somehow I don't see the SEC as compact. It's 1000 miles between Gainsville, FL and Columbia, MO for a SEC East game. It's 900 miles between Columbia, SC and Columbia, MO. You must be thinking Auburn vs Alabama. That is compact, but so is UNC vs NCState and UVA-VT. I think that if the ACC were to get to 16 teams, it could reorganize the division for more regional competition. I'm glad Clemson has elevated its game enough to make the FSU-Clemson games fun for fans.

BC should support UConn's membership for just this very point of proximity.

You have to look at the divisions...re distance:

You can drive in a day (eight hours or less) from Ole Miss to Miss State...to LSU...to Bama and Auburn....to Arkansas, and Mizzou.

From Georgia...to Florida, Bama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Vanderbilt

 

[ctchamps]

I have never been on a Cuse board...I have posted 13,000 plus posts over the last 10 years on the WVU board where you may have seen my handle.

My home board is FSU's Warchant. Syracuse and Rutgers might as well be as far away as the frozen tundra of Siberia to the average north Florida Seminole fan. We are very much attuned to what is going on in the SEC. Tallahassee's northern city limit is 16 miles from the Georgia line and about 50 miles to the Alabama border. Many of our families migrated to north Florida from Georgia and Alabama. I was born in Alabama (my birth certificate registers me as a Bama fan). You are registered at birth as an Auburn or Bama guy.

I was raised in Pensacola, went to school at FSU and Wisconsin and have lived in Tallahassee for decades.

I don't know what to make of the ACC any more. When you have teams that are spread from near the Canadian border to just an inner tube ride from Cuba, it just makes no geographic sense for fans. I have no feeling one way or another about Syracuse...I only know that the legendary Jim Brown played for them.

I understand your feelings. Lots of us supporting UConn have the same preference to keep games regional. Most of us in this forum are putting our personal emotional preferences on the back burner and are discussing the changes that have taken place in the landscape of big time college sports.

Like it or not the ACC is dominate in only 3 markets (4 before the loss of MD). The PAC, the SEC, and the B!G have far more markets that they dominate. Hence each one of those conferences will thrive with the way media developments are taking place. The ACC and the Big 12 will survive for now, but they have lost out in the race for regional market control to those other three conferences. It is only a matter of time the ACC and the Big12 fall apart. That might be good for you as a Seminole Fan if you get into the SEC when things break up but it could be worse for you if you get into the B!G or are stuck in some hybrid ACC-Big12 combo.

A strategized ACC conference with a northeast-southeast pairing was your best bet unless of course you know for certain you can get into the SEC. That's a gamble.

 

[btstimpy]

You have to look at the divisions...re distance:

You can drive in a day (eight hours or less) from Ole Miss to Miss State...to LSU...to Bama and Auburn....to Arkansas, and Mizzou.

From Georgia...to Florida, Bama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Vanderbilt

Perhaps reorganizing divisions in the ACC would be prudent to have FSU playing schools closer. I can drive 8 hours or less from Richmond to 12 other ACC schools. FSU, Miami, and Notre Dame are the only ones farther. So I look at the ACC as compact. I guess it depends where you are as to how you view it.

 

[UConn Dan]

In this state there is no gaming the system. They like one syllable words and they definitely shout out their "Clocks" at games and in public. L added to avoid censorship.

I work for a company that markets, among other things, sports collectibles. I recall getting an email from USC/CLC a couple of years ago that stated that all licensees should cease and desist the use of the "C OCKS" verbiage and logos. I thought that was very funny - must have been a tough email to write.

 

[ctchamps]

I agree that the ACC should invite UConn. With Rutgers I don't agree. Rutgers has not been relevant in college athletics in at least half a century. And they are not likely to start being relevant any time in the future. I know that the Rutgers fans on here don't want to hear this, but it is fact. Rutgers is especially not relevant in New York City. Jim Delaney witnessed this when he last visited Rutgers. But he's after his New Jersey cable boxes.

South Carolina is not relevant in the SEC. They have been there for 20 years and never threatened to win a football or basketball championship. Only in the recent past has Steve Spurrier gotten them noticed, but just barely. When he retires, they'll go back to obscurity. They did finally win national championships in baseball. I'll give them that, but where have they been all these years?

And that is why I believe when it is all said and done the ACC will struggle to survive. Your position resonates with my emotional preferences. But that viewpoint has been the demise of many business models.

Yale will always be playing Harvard and Princeton. Most of the members of the Ivy league are immune to the machinations of big time college sports. Virginia, UNC, and Duke will survive no matter how many times the ACC shoots itself in the foot. But the ACC is in jeopardy. It took almost forty years before bankruptcy, but the handwriting was on the wall that GM was in trouble beginning in the 80's.

If you're a fan that doesn't have much time to root for things than it isn't important to concern yourself with the long term future of the ACC. Get the sexiest programs and get the greatest bragging rights you can. But if you chose to look at the ACC as a conference being important for the university you root for, than you might view things differently. Most of us in this forum are looking out 20 -30 years from now as well as over the next 5-10 years. And thus we are supporting Rutgers as the better play after the 10 year period if not sooner.

And yes South Carolina isn't the poster child for states but it is significant when talking about viewership.

 

[btstimpy]

And that is why I believe when it is all said and done the ACC will struggle to survive. Your position resonates with my emotional preferences. But that viewpoint has been the demise of many business models.

Yale will always be playing Harvard and Princeton. Most of the members of the Ivy league are immune to the machinations of big time college sports. Virginia, UNC, and Duke will survive no matter how many times the ACC shoots itself in the foot. But the ACC is in jeopardy. It took almost forty years before bankruptcy, but the handwriting was on the wall that GM was in trouble beginning in the 80's.

If you're a fan that doesn't have much time to root for things than it isn't important to concern yourself with the long term future of the ACC. Get the s e xiest programs and get the greatest bragging rights you can. But if you chose to look at the ACC as a conference being important for the university you root for, than you might view things differently. Most of us in this forum are looking out 20 -30 years from now as well as over the next 5-10 years. And thus we are supporting Rutgers as the better play after the 10 year period if not sooner.

And yes South Carolina isn't the poster child for states but it is significant when talking about viewership.

We can revisit this in 10 years, and Rutgers will remain insignificant. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I know some laughed yesterday when I posted that Temple could provide to the ACC everything that Rutgers does to the Big Ten and more since Temple can at least win a basketball game. I still believe it. I don't know if the ACC would go that route, but it's available to them.

 

[JayRU09]

This topic is making my head hurt.

RU has had the backing of the state for decades? The amount of money the state gives us is the same as the 1980s.

We never had a coach until Schiano that could actually recruit, and for him it took until 2009 to actually have a top 30 class. And it took until 2011 for him to really get in with the top NJ HS programs.

As for the future, well, 2011 we had a top 30 class, 2012 we had a top 25 class, 2013 was a down year with a top 50 class (Flood's first class and mostly pre-B1G), and we're currently sitting with a top 20 class that should get better today with Hilliman committing (hopefully).

Take out the outlying years of 2006 and 2010 and our win totals since 2005 have been: 7,8,8,9,9,9.

The future seems bright, and it doesn't take a visionary to see that. Talent helps a lot. We have to make sure our coaches are up to par, but at least we have one part of the equation coming in. We're recruiting better than almost all of the B1G. No reason we can't make noise in a few years, if not next year.

 

[NickyNewark]

I have never been on a Cuse board...I have posted 13,000 plus posts over the last 10 years on the WVU board where you may have seen my handle.

My home board is FSU's Warchant. Syracuse and Rutgers might as well be as far away as the frozen tundra of Siberia to the average north Florida Seminole fan. We are very much attuned to what is going on in the SEC. Tallahassee's northern city limit is 16 miles from the Georgia line and about 50 miles to the Alabama border. Many of our families migrated to north Florida from Georgia and Alabama. I was born in Alabama (my birth certificate registers me as a Bama fan). You are registered at birth as an Auburn or Bama guy.

I was raised in Pensacola, went to school at FSU and Wisconsin and have lived in Tallahassee for decades.

I don't know what to make of the ACC any more. When you have teams that are spread from near the Canadian border to just an inner tube ride from Cuba, it just makes no geographic sense for fans. I have no feeling one way or another about Syracuse...I only know that the legendary Jim Brown played for them.

Damn Billybud you must be at least my age (61) to remember that LI kid?I was in grammar school when he was at SU and to me even he's old!We in NJ always admired him tho as he played the way we did.....with rage lol!!After banning the Deacon Jones headslap and the Nitchske "clothesline tackle" our FB looks almost feminized?Whats next?flags in our backpockets?or 2 hand touch?Were a rule or 2 away from destroying Americas greatest and most masculine sport(hockey and boxing excepted)!! I'm a little pissed at FSU for grabbing Josue Matias from his touching RU commitment story in the NJ newspapers with his parents saying we were the only school that stood by him when he was injured in 1st game his Sr year then flipping the day b4 he could sign?What was up with that?We up North know how big football has become in the south as so much of the modern south are now transplanted Northerns and Midwesterners.I was stationed in Beaufort,SC in the corps in the late 60s and met a lot of "old time" Southerners who seem proud almost to arrogance but its better than the alternative!The South has a proud history and earned it during the civil war valiantly but "rise again on the FB field" lol!I hope you give Cuse a warm welcome when you meet and they really expect to give Clemson a warn reception this year at the dome.I wish we up here were as loyal to our states as you guys down south are.Im glad your curious enough to give Uconn and the BY an ear as most down there don't perceive NE FB as good as it is.....they can play IMO with almost anybody!I remember RU playing UF in Gainesville as 29 pt underdogs in the 80s and playing them to a draw with 1AA type players!

 

[NickyNewark]

We can revisit this in 10 years, and Rutgers will remain insignificant. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I know some laughed yesterday when I posted that Temple could provide to the ACC everything that Rutgers does to the Big Ten and more since Temple can at least win a basketball game. I still believe it. I don't know if the ACC would go that route, but it's available to them.

Funny....thats how we perceive most middling ACC FB teams?Perception is funny.You seem less informed tho than the average ACC fan?

 

[NickyNewark]

I agree that the ACC should invite UConn. With Rutgers I don't agree. Rutgers has not been relevant in college athletics in at least half a century. And they are not likely to start being relevant any time in the future. I know that the Rutgers fans on here don't want to hear this, but it is fact. Rutgers is especially not relevant in New York City. Jim Delaney witnessed this when he last visited Rutgers. But he's after his New Jersey cable boxes.

South Carolina is not relevant in the SEC. They have been there for 20 years and never threatened to win a football or basketball championship. Only in the recent past has Steve Spurrier gotten them noticed, but just barely. When he retires, they'll go back to obscurity. They did finally win national championships in baseball. I'll give them that, but where have they been all these years?

You can't be serious ....your either naive or ignorant or 12 years old!You can't believe this anti RU crap and expect to be taken seriously?Delany was born and raised in NJ he didnt need to "come to NY" to understand anything its just a fact StimpyCuse!RU is #1 FB team in NYC and local area not to mention the Philly area and all points between!They've been in talks for over a decade!Where are your links or facts?

 

[NickyNewark]

I love StimpyCuse coming here with an obvious agenda thinking we just fell off the turnip truck and posing as a Va fan(terrible FB team)and hiding behind that Cavalier avatar lol!!Go look for the less informed where you should be right at home !!

 

[uconndogs]

I find it interesting that RU, Virginia and Cuse fans come to this board on such a regular basis........tells me all the talk on their boards about UCONN now being irrelevant due to CR is total bullsh**

 

[btstimpy]

I find it interesting that RU, Virginia and Cuse fans come to this board on such a regular basis........tells me all the talk on their boards about UCONN now being irrelevant due to CR is total bullsh*

I come to this board and others that discuss CR because it is interesting to me, and I'd like to see UConn in the ACC at some point. I don't discuss CR on the Virginia board much because no one is interested. We don't have a CR board or much CR discussion going on.