B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[August_West]

A sell out is still impressive - no denying it - but let's not pretend that a final that doesn't include UConn or Villanova has any real juice in the city.



So tickets were $150, or $25?



Exactly? It's a great tournament but a lot of fans would prefer to cling onto the past as opposed to seeing the future.

The B1G tournament at msg finals featuring the number #7 and #11 teams in the country were 5000 people away from a sell out. But yeah BigEast has no juice when it puts the #6 and #13 teams in the country from THE EXACT SAME area that the B1G teams were from and sells out.

 

[CL82]

Too harsh. I have a foot in both camps and want the Big 12 to happen. But too many FB-only refuse to admit how much damage FB did to BB. It's truly a miracle that we came back so soon.

I'll bite. How did football damage Basketball?

 

[CL82]

The Big East has been different since the early 2000's, were you complaining about people clinging to the past in 2011? That was the best basketball conference ever IMO.

100% It's a shame that ESPN paid for it to be carved up. It was a great lineup up and down the conference.

 

[CL82]

I don't know, is an asthmatic staring into the eyes of a manic depressive really that good an image?

 

[ConnHuskBask]

A lot of people happen to think the Big East is an excellent conference right now and the best place for UConn basketball right now and for the future. A lot of people have questions about how a move to the Big 12 might negatively impact UConn basketball going forward.

What past are you talking about? The Big East has been different since the early 2000's, were you complaining about people clinging to the past in 2011? That was the best basketball conference ever IMO.

The 16 team Big East and the Big East tournament was damn near as good as March Madness.

The Big East is a very good league and I've never said there aren't negatives to leaving the conference. The positives of being in a P5 league, with more revenue and secured linear tv exposure outweigh the negatives - not to mention the Big 12 is arguably the top basketball league in America.

This doesn't even factor in how it revives football from the dead - which I think you acknowledge as opposed to other posters who root against our own program.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Big East had almost 2k more fans in attendance in the finals than Texas vs Kansas.

That's not shocking when MSG has a capacity about 2000 higher. The Big East Tournament is a great event. No question about it. UConn has incredible history there. But I'm sure we can enjoy and build history in the Big XII tournament as well.

 

[Ratso]

didn’t read the thread but syracuse is a great example. in the 90’s cuse was a household name. now bball, football?

and st. john’s is gonna be biggest name in 2024

 

[Scoe]

Too harsh. I have a foot in both camps and want the Big 12 to happen. But too many FB-only refuse to admit how much damage FB did to BB. It's truly a miracle that we came back so soon.

We have moved on pointing fingers is for losers. It’s turned out well, going independent was good for Mora to build the program back up and clean up the stench left behind. Sucks that we can’t have Big East basketball and football.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The B1G tournament at msg finals featuring the number #7 and #11 teams in the country were 5000 people away from a sell out. But yeah BigEast has no juice when it puts the #6 and #13 teams in the country from THE EXACT SAME area that the B1G teams were from and sells out.

The only reason you got a like for this post is that I just noticed your avatar.

 

[Sea Goat]

A lot of people happen to think the Big East is an excellent conference right now and the best place for UConn basketball right now and for the future. A lot of people have questions about how a move to the Big 12 might negatively impact UConn basketball going forward.

What past are you talking about? The Big East has been different since the early 2000's, were you complaining about people clinging to the past in 2011? That was the best basketball conference ever IMO.

The BE is maybe an excellent Men's BB Conference, but that's it...

The same problem that haunted the BE for decades continues. It always was, first and foremost, a BB conference. Remember the conference really was the brain child of Dave Gavitt, AD at PC. The biggest problem the conference had was that PC guys always were at the helm. How could this be when PC hasn't had a football or baseball team in decades? That spoke volumes. How could you leave management of the BE in the hands of guys from a small, catholic college with no football or baseball experience?

Now, "The New BE" has marginal baseball and zero football. We need a conference better suited to our potential and demographic. We are highly regarded, state land grant university. We need a conference that reflects that. It simply is not going to happen in the BE. Of all the universities in New England and New York, we are best positioned to make a successful transition to a P-5 conference. Not for nothing, the same was true in 2011 and 2012 when we got snubbed by the ACC. But, that's another story and I have already filled these pages with my view of the same...

 

[Deleted at users request]

Question for the football folks, what’s UConns expected record this year?

Will they be good enough to take care of cupcakes? To beat the Duke’s and NC State’s of the world?

Genuine question because the schedule looks light outside of Tennessee depending on how good they can be.

 

[WestHartHusk]

Question for the football folks, what’s UConns expected record this year?

Will they be good enough to take care of cupcakes? To beat the Duke’s and NC State’s of the world?

Genuine question because the schedule looks light outside of Tennessee depending on how good they can be.

Duke: maybe? NC State: nah.

 

[metsfan2323]

didn’t read the thread but syracuse is a great example. in the 90’s cuse was a household name. now bball, football?

and st. john’s is gonna be biggest name in 2024

Using St John's as an example of Big East prosperity is LOL funny.

and do you really think St John's prospects for 2023 would be any less if they were in the ACC or B12? Their fortunes changed on a dime when they landed a hall of fame coach, it has very little to do with the conference. Put Pitino in Syracuse and they would be the hot team right now.

 

[August_West]

The only reason you got a like for this post is that I just noticed your avatar.

Thank you.

These Football NPC's are rough to take seriously, except @noeynox he's a good Uconn fan who wants the best for the right reasons. Everyone else has been duped.

 

[Sea Goat]

Duke: maybe? NC State: nah.

The Post had us at 4.5 O/U on wins and promoted the O. I think the team will be better. With our schedule
I think we can reasonably count on 5 and 7 would be great.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Question for the football folks, what’s UConns expected record this year?

Will they be good enough to take care of cupcakes? To beat the Duke’s and NC State’s of the world?

Genuine question because the schedule looks light outside of Tennessee depending on how good they can be.

Are you attempting to throw a little dig in at the football program or do you not follow the sport at all? NX State won't be a cupcake, in fact it would be very safe to say that they will be a better football team this upcoming season than St John's was a men's basketball team this past season.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Are you attempting to throw a little dig in at the football program or do you not follow the sport at all? NX State won't be a cupcake, in fact it would be very safe to say that they will be a better football team this upcoming season than St John's was a men's basketball team this past season.

It was a genuine question. I haven’t followed football in years because I can’t stomach watching teams I like be bad.

I watch Michigan football in the meantime which clogs my perspective on who is a good team or not. When I said cupcakes I was referring to everyone else on the schedule. Not NC State, Duke, and Tennessee. But Tennessee should be a step above the 2 others this year.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It was a genuine question. I haven’t followed football in years because I can’t stomach watching teams I like be bad.

I watch Michigan football in the meantime which clogs my perspective on who is a good team or not. When I said cupcakes I was referring to everyone else on the schedule. Not NC State, Duke, and Tennessee. But Tennessee should be a step above the 2 others this year.

I read your post the way you intended. I may be off on this, but for simplicity I see it roughly this way. I don't know who James Madison has coming back but they were good last year, their first in FBS and in the Sun Belt.

Won't win: Tennessee
Opponent favored: Duke, NC State
Toss Up: BC, Utah State, James Madison
UConn favored: everybody else

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Thank you.

These Football NPC's are rough to take seriously, except @noeynox he's a good Uconn fan who wants the best for the right reasons. Everyone else has been duped.

Duped? OMG, Now I remember you.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I read your post the way you intended. I may be off on this, but for simplicity I see it roughly this way. I don't know who James Madison has coming back but they were good last year, their first in FBS and in the Sun Belt.

Won't win: Tennessee
Opponent favored: Duke, NC State
Toss Up: BC, Utah State, James Madison
UConn favored: everybody else

Thanks, it would be cool if we had an outside shot at being a top 25 team. When Michigan played UConn they were a very well coached team. You can just see that the injuries hurt a lot talent wise to begin the year.

Wonder what a roster of some of his guys healthy can do this year. Would love if Mora could run the table with teams that are beatable.

 

[coachcap]

The only reason you got a like for this post is that I just noticed your avatar.

Hee hee

 

[baggerbob]

and still has more juice x2 than ANY conf tourney. Its not even close.

There are 35 million reasons Connecticut needs to move. The case is closed, it's a no brainer if you get the invitation you go.
There is no telling how long the NCAA has control of the basketball tournament.
If they ruffle the wrong feathers the football schools will start their own and invite the good basketball schools to join them.

 

[Deleted at users request]

There are 35 million reasons Connecticut needs to move. The case is closed, it's a no brainer if you get the invitation you go.
There is no telling how long the NCAA has control of the basketball tournament.
If they ruffle the wrong feathers the football schools will start their own and invite the good basketball schools to join them.

Are we sure the Big 12 would make the boat? Things are setting up for there to be two super conferences. Big Ten and SEC.

Texas and OU carried the Big 12. They knew it and that’s why they left. We would be jumping on a sinking ship football wise.

 

[HuskiesFan1014]

Are we sure the Big 12 would make the boat? Things are setting up for there to be two super conferences. Big Ten and SEC.

Texas and OU carried the Big 12. They knew it and that’s why they left. We would be jumping on a sinking ship football wise.

I would still jump on a (possibly) sinking ship, if my boat was already at the bottom of Long Island Sound, which is where we currently are. Right next to the rusted remains of the ConnFLict trophy.
And the Big 12 is hardly a sinking ship. Sounds like hoops-fan gaslighting.

 

[metsfan2323]

Are we sure the Big 12 would make the boat? Things are setting up for there to be two super conferences. Big Ten and SEC.

Texas and OU carried the Big 12. They knew it and that’s why they left. We would be jumping on a sinking ship football wise.

Any long range fears you have about the B12 can be equally applied to the Big East. You don't pass up a golden opportunity out of fear of the worst case scenario happening down the road, that's a loser's mentality. (See Holy Cross and Tulane for examples of loser mentality decisions that have gone very, very wrong for those athletic departments)

What happens if UCONN turns down the B12 and they then decide to go hybrid by offering Nova and St Johns?

 

[WestHartHusk]

Any long range fears you have about the B12 can be equally applied to the Big East. You don't pass up a golden opportunity out of fear of the worst case scenario happening down the road, that's a loser's mentality. (See Holy Cross and Tulane for examples of loser mentality decisions that have gone very, very wrong.)

What happens if UCONN turns down the B12 and they decide to go hybrid by offering Nova and St Johns?

We can look forward to West telling us to get fired up over the Big East clash with Richmond or St. Louis.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Any fears you have about the B12 can be equally applied to the Big East. You don't pass up a golden opportunity out of fear of the worst case scenario happening down the road, that's a loser's mentality.

Except the Big 12 could hurt the basketball program which is our selling point to other conferences. It also makes our football schedule harder.

It’s a short term move that can hurt us worse long term and become AAC part 2. Our best bet is to stay put and see what offers are out there once Mora revives football. He has a very easy schedule to do it.

Conferences want the New York market.

 

[metsfan2323]

Except the Big 12 could hurt the basketball program which is our selling point to other conferences. It also makes our football schedule harder.

Kevin Ollie is not coming back to coach the team, that is the source of this irrational fear of B12 basketball which is actually a heck of a basketball league, the B12 wants to be the best basketball league which is why they hopefully want us.

and Amen to our football schedules getting harder. We can drop down to FCS if we want them easier. Finding a parking space at the Rent will also get harder.

 

[Husky68]

I read your post the way you intended. I may be off on this, but for simplicity I see it roughly this way. I don't know who James Madison has coming back but they were good last year, their first in FBS and in the Sun Belt.

Won't win: Tennessee
Opponent favored: Duke, NC State
Toss Up: BC, Utah State, James Madison
UConn favored: everybody else

Sometimes I wonder about my go to source Massey on ratings. They have UConn favored in 3 games FI, SH and UMass. They have UConn with a 14% chance to beat BCU away and James Madison @ 10% and even Georgia State @ 18% and Rice @ 37%. They really have UConn as a very very poor road team. Massey sees the over/under at 4 wins.
Massey seems to be a "mathematical" model for ratings so not sure how they do preseason when there are no results to factor in, must be some type of "that's how they were last year". However the model works it really discounted UConns 2022 results where had UConn@ 110 and preseason 2023 @ 126.
How they would see BCU improving so much more than UConn in 2023 (or how much of a fluke UConn's 2022 win was), even home field advantage doesn't explain much of the 17 points spread. Funny, looks like Massey sees ZT as starting QB for UConn in 2023 and he gets worse instead of better!

 

[Deleted at users request]

Kevin Ollie is not coming back to coach the team, that is the source of this irrational fear of B12 basketball which is actually a heck of a basketball league, the B12 wants to be the best basketball league which is why they hopefully want us.

and Amen to our football schedules getting harder. We can drop down to FCS if we want them easier.

The competitive disadvantages of that conference has been outlined in this thread as well as the competitive advantages we currently have that we would be giving up. Giving up those advantages and taking on those disadvantages while going to a good basketball conference for everyone else to have home field advantage is exactly why it’s a fear.

There’s a very strong chance we go there and hurt the basketball program by becoming middle of the pack while also being a bottom tier football team in an irrelevant conference with some extra money in our pocket until the next deal.

There’s a reason the Big 12 commissioner did not take the TV rights to the open market where he could’ve made more money. He wasn’t chancing exposing the value of a conference with no Texas or Oklahoma.