B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[August_West]

Almost didn't recognize the new avatar. Sure. Titles, yes. But those aren't really a good measurement.

Lol

Kansas fan. I rest my case

5>4

 

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We didn’t choose to be in the AAC, the Big Ten isn’t calling. There’s every where you drive I plane ride for an extra hour or 2 is doable. We can still schedule local out of conference games against local teams.

Jetlag is much different from a bus ride. We already dealt with that in the AAC. Don’t want to do that again.

Going to the big 12 doesn’t even guarantee good football. Just look at Rutgers move to the Big Ten. They’re the doormats of the conference.

 

[superjohn]

Almost didn't recognize the new avatar. Sure. Titles, yes. But those aren't really a good measurement. Very few BB focused schools win titles either. Would you label Gonzaga as unsuccessful? The football schools have made inroads. They are paying more attention to basketball.

How are titles not a really good measurement?

 

[August_West]

Jetlag is much different from a bus ride. We already dealt with that in the AAC. Don’t want to do that again.

Going to the big 12 doesn’t even guarantee good football. Just look at Rutgers move to the Big Ten. They’re the doormats of the conference.

So I will be fair here. KO checking out was an equal factor to our demise as AAC. That being said, when we replaced KO Hurley desperately wanted out of AAC . Why?

 

[August_West]

How are titles not a really good measurement?

It’s a Kansas thing

 

[Nick2005]

The UConn basketball only fans make me laugh, come across as real snobs.

Ok I dislike you immensely immediately. Duke fans are snobs. I see us lose to Xavier twice last year. We beat every school outside of Big east by double digits. We won the national championship and it was boring we were so good. Here is what I would say, this team is better.

 

[superjohn]

Lol in the last 10 years ONE. And. that.means. ONE. school has won the title ( p5 or not) that has put football ahead of hoops.

Dont tell me we need football!

Great point. 1 out of the last 14 national championship game winners was a school that puts football above basketball, Baylor.

 

[August_West]

Great point. 1 out of the last 14 national championship game winners was a school that puts football above basketball, Baylor.

I almost checked out of this board much to everyone’s delight. But now I’m reinvigorated with a new avatar and a new mission. No more Arbys from Adub. Just real talk.

 

[Deleted at users request]

So I will be fair here. KO checking out was an equal factor to our demise as AAC. That being said, when we replaced KO Hurley desperately wanted out of AAC . Why?

I agree with that. But jetlag is a thing that would put us at a competitive disadvantage with most of our conference foes playing on MST.

Going out of our way to potentially hurt the basketball program to maybe help the football program doesn’t make sense to me.

As far as football goes, I really don’t see how this helps. It’s not like all of a sudden we’ll be able to recruit Texas area kids because we play in the conference now. We’ll be a doormat in the Big 12 making a little extra money and still, have to deal with the competitive disadvantage of jetlag. In much tougher atmospheres in areas that breathe football!!

 

[Tyler2Rings]

Why do we want to give up a 5 time NC winner with a bullet?

I don't agree that the B12 will kill basketball or that we won't be able to win another championship in a different conference. The competition will be better. Recruiting will be fine. We will lose some of what makes our brand of NE basketball special, but that's the price of doing business in today's landscape.

The only basketball argument I see with any merit is that we lose our status as the big fish. We own the Big East perception-wise and on the court to an extent. We won't have that same situation as a B12 member. But we certainly have the cred to hold our own and I trust Danny will step up to that challenge

 

[Scoe]

Jetlag is much different from a bus ride. We already dealt with that in the AAC. Don’t want to do that again.

Going to the big 12 doesn’t even guarantee good football. Just look at Rutgers move to the Big Ten. They’re the doormats of the conference.

A plane ride in country there’s no jet lag it’s not a flight to Australia.

Kids want to play for Hurley to go to the NBA right, NBA teams travel to different time zones all the time. The NCAA tournament your traveling we have done alright out west haven’t we. UConn campus isn’t going anywhere.

I don’t want to leave the big east but given the circumstances with the landscape we might not have a choice. Gotta do what’s best for UConn.

 

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[Waquoit]

None. NIL has zero to do with conf dollars

The old ADub would have gotten the joke and answered "Nil".

 

[navery12]

making a little extra money

This is what you're missing. It is not a little bit extra money, it is a significant amount more. We are nowhere in the ballpark of the $50M per year the B12 is paying out

 

[August_West]

This is what you're missing. It is not a little bit extra money, it is a significant amount more. We are nowhere in the ballpark of the $50M per year the B12 is paying out

Why do you care?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Lol

Kansas fan. I rest my case

5>4

Has nothing to do with that. You know it. It's really amazing that only 15 programs have won more than one NCAA title in Basketball. San Francisco, Cinci and Ok State all got theirs before we were born. So really only a dozen programs with multiple titles in anything like modern times.

How are titles not a really good measurement?

See: Gonzaga. Do you consider them a strong program? Are they a better program than City College NY and Holy Cross? Loyola Chicago has a title too. Guess we should kick Creighton out of the Big East along with Xavier and St. Johns and bring in Loyola, San Francisco and Holy Cross. It's a trade of all Catholic schools. Get those titles.

All I'm saying is the big football schools are trending up. The big hoops schools are still dominating. UConn will be fine either way.

 

[navery12]

Why do you care?

I don't. I'll root for UConn in the B12 and I'll root for UConn in the Big East. If they banish us to D3 I'll root for us to beat NYU there

 

[Deleted at users request]

This is what you're missing. It is not a little bit extra money, it is a significant amount more. We are nowhere in the ballpark of the $50M per year the B12 is paying out

We do just fine without it. We have two home arenas and a recently built practice court. What more does basketball need?

 

[HuskyHawk]

We do just fine without it. We have two home arenas and a recently built practice court. What more does basketball need?

Did you miss the point where both arenas are in need of major renovations? Especially the XL of course, which isn't "ours", we have to pay to play there.

 

[superjohn]

I almost checked out of this board much to everyone’s delight. But now I’m reinvigorated with a new avatar and a new mission. No more Arbys from Adub. Just real talk.

The Covid cancelled tournament year. Kansas was #1, Gonzaga #2, Dayton #3, SDSU #6, Creighton #7, Kentucky #8, Nova #10, Duke #11, Seton Hall #15 and a bunch of the talking heads had SHU their final 4.

It highly likely would've been 1 out of 15 years.

I actually think we'll end up in the Big 12 and think it's the move we should make but the arguments thrown around here are so tired. People convincing themselves the Big 12 is filled with better schools than they actually are, that UConn is similar to those schools, that basketball won't be impacted at all but instead may get even better in the Big 12 and the same one we've heard for a decade- the Big East is finished, they won't be on TV, they'll be left out of the tournament etc.

 

[navery12]

We do just fine without it. We have two home arenas and a recently built practice court. What more does basketball need?

Basketball doesn't need more. If it's a strictly a basketball decision then we'd stay in the Big East. But the AD is making a decision on all sports. When it's a huge boost to nearly every sports, a lateral move in men's basketball, and only hurts soccer (which let's be honest, nobody here cares about) it's reasonable to consider

 

[August_West]

Has nothing to do with that. You know it. It's really amazing that only 15 programs have won more than one NCAA title in Basketball. San Francisco, Cinci and Ok State all got theirs before we were born. So really only a dozen programs with multiple titles in anything like modern times.

See: Gonzaga. Do you consider them a strong program? Are they a better program than City College NY and Holy Cross? Loyola Chicago has a title too. Guess we should kick Creighton out of the Big East along with Xavier and St. Johns and bring in Loyola, San Francisco and Holy Cross. It's a trade of all Catholic schools. Get those titles.

All I'm saying is the big football schools are trending up. The big hoops schools are still dominating. UConn will be fine either way.

Exactly Uconn and Zags will be fine either way and yes sec football schools like Bama are throwing more dollars and getting better. I’m not scared. You know why? Because this is all going to shake down again in 5 years. And then 10 years. And zero of you know what that looks like just like zero of you knew 10 years ago. While we traverse these land mines I’m happy to win a couple more titles.

 

[superjohn]

I agree with that. But jetlag is a thing that would put us at a competitive disadvantage with most of our conference foes playing on MST.

Going out of our way to potentially hurt the basketball program to maybe help the football program doesn’t make sense to me.

As far as football goes, I really don’t see how this helps. It’s not like all of a sudden we’ll be able to recruit Texas area kids because we play in the conference now. We’ll be a doormat in the Big 12 making a little extra money and still, have to deal with the competitive disadvantage of jetlag. In much tougher atmospheres in areas that breathe football!!

Disagree with you on football. I think UConn would have no trouble competing in the Big 12 very quickly and the money is not a little extra money. It's a ton of extra money.

 

[Bazz4A]

The UConn basketball only fans make me laugh, come across as real snobs.

Count me as one of them. I don’t know how you can definitively say we need football. We might, depending on how things break, but I don’t know that as an absolute.

 

[Scoe]

We do just fine without it. We have two home arenas and a recently built practice court. What more does basketball need?

To not get complacent. Do our due dillagance for what’s best for the athletic programs and university what’s best for UConn athletics is ultimately what’s best for basketball.

 

[August_West]

Disagree with you on football. I think UConn would have no trouble competing in the Big 12 very quickly and the money is not a little extra money. It's a ton of extra money.

I mean I think we could beat Kansas this year, but I can’t pencil in much else

 

[superjohn]

Has nothing to do with that. You know it. It's really amazing that only 15 programs have won more than one NCAA title in Basketball. San Francisco, Cinci and Ok State all got theirs before we were born. So really only a dozen programs with multiple titles in anything like modern times.

See: Gonzaga. Do you consider them a strong program? Are they a better program than City College NY and Holy Cross? Loyola Chicago has a title too. Guess we should kick Creighton out of the Big East along with Xavier and St. Johns and bring in Loyola, San Francisco and Holy Cross. It's a trade of all Catholic schools. Get those titles.

All I'm saying is the big football schools are trending up. The big hoops schools are still dominating. UConn will be fine either way.

I think Gonzaga is a great program but I don't put them up with the top programs because they've never won. You gotta win. It's part of the reason I don't think much of Big 12 football. Now that Oklahoma and Texas are gone it's a bunch of second tier schools with BYU as their lone title winner in the past 80 or so years.

 

[August_West]

I think Gonzaga is a great program but I don't put them up with the top programs because they've never won. You gotta win. It's part of the reason I don't think much of Big 12 football. Now that Oklahoma and Texas are gone it's a bunch of second tier schools with BYU as their lone title winner in the past 80 or so years.

BYU’s first January visit to XL is going to be a barn burner

 

[HuskyHawk]

The Covid cancelled tournament year. Kansas was #1, Gonzaga #2, Dayton #3, SDSU #6, Creighton #7, Kentucky #8, Nova #10, Duke #11, Seton Hall #15 and a bunch of the talking heads had SHU their final 4.

It highly likely would've been 1 out of 15 years.

I actually think we'll end up in the Big 12 and think it's the move we should make but the arguments thrown around here are so tired. People convincing themselves the Big 12 is filled with better schools than they actually are, that UConn is similar to those schools, that basketball won't be impacted at all but instead may get even better in the Big 12 and the same one we've heard for a decade- the Big East is finished, they won't be on TV, they'll be left out of the tournament etc.

I'm not far off from what you said here really. But I don't think you can equate thinking UConn would do as well, maybe even better in the Big XII with: the Big East is finished. I think we'd do just as well but think the Big East will be fine, if weaker without UConn.

My focus is more on UConn and CT. I honestly think the school is throwing money at the AD, spending like a P5 despite the annual deficit because they believe they can get a P5 bid and close the funding gap (somewhat). If it becomes clear that isn't the case, if it's staying in the Big East for good and bigger money is out of reach forever, then they'd shut a ton of stuff down. Maybe FBS football, maybe other sports get the axe.

In short, the school isn't going to run this kind of deficit indefinitely. It is doing it to get to that next step.

 

[August_West]

Basketball doesn't need more. If it's a strictly a basketball decision then we'd stay in the Big East

Every decision for UConn athletics should be made with that notion first.