B12 - If we accept invite, in 10 years what is the outcome?

[Khal Drogo]

There are no permissions from Mansfield residents needed to build in the athletic campus behind Toscano. Nor are there any environmental issues. They did and environmental study when they built Toscano. There is absolutely zero need to make infrastructures for six weekends in a year. Tailgating feathers the traffic coming into and out of the stadium. That plus smart traffic management would handle the load just the way it does in every college stadium across America. It is such a Connecticut thing to believe you need a limited access highway with an offramp leading into stadium parking.

Between Ice rink and South Eagleville?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

So this is basically it.

There’s going to be some wild (insert profane word starting with S that can be used on every website on earth except this one) happening down the road and if you have a seat at the current table, you’re in a far better spot than if you do not. At some point there are just no more chairs and UConn not currently having one is definitely a concern.

Thoughts on the Portal, NIL and expanded CFP world

The transfer thread was turning into a discussion of how the transfer portal and NIL were going to impact college football. I think that is a very interesting discussion. Here are a few things I think are going to happen: 1) All of these things will feed off each other. Expanded access to...

the-boneyard.com

The linked thread basically covered my expectations for how the NIL and Transfer Portal (I also touch on streaming and the changes to the CFP) will impact college sports, and 4 months after making the first post in the thread, two mid-majors made the Final Four.

Almost every post in this current thread is based on several wrong assumptions:

1) ESPN will continue to have more revenue than every other broadcaster because ESPN can charge about $9 a cable subscriber whether they watch ESPN or not, and ESPN wants to broadcast household names in its main TV slots.
2) The SEC will continue to be dominant in hoarding talent because it is willing to cheat at a level that no other league is willing to do.
3) Players will happily spend their career being 3rd string on an SEC or Big 10 team rather than playing somewhere where they can actually play on the field.
4) Access to the College Football Playoff is limited so players that want to play in it have to go to a small handful of programs.

Every one of those assumptions was true 5 years ago, and is no longer true today. The SEC added Texas and Oklahoma and the Big 10 added UCLA and USC out of fear. Those two leagues can see the same fact pattern I just laid out and know that their competitive advantages have shrunk dramatically in the last two years.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

Maybe, but if you're looking to buy ice cream on the UConn campus, you are going to the Dairy Bar.

It is located of the first step in the process.

 

[CL82]

It is located of the first step in the process.

Yep, but you don't buy it at the barn you buy it at the Dairy Bar.

 

[freescooter]

I would love us to be a byu football program (5 million a year) and a big east basketball program (10 million a year)

Except that BYU is moving to the Big 12 and Big East basketball teams only make $6 million, but other than that, great points.

 

[CL82]

Except that BYU is moving to the Big 12 and Big East basketball teams only make $6 million, but other than that, great points.

Do they currently make $6 million? I thought it was less.

 

[CTBasketball]

I will give you credit @CL82 you are persistent and won’t let this thread die.

 

[freescooter]

Do they currently make $6 million? I thought it was less.

it is, but mid-5 million range I think. Notre Dame makes $10 from the ACC but I have to think part of that is a football “ supplement.” And we’ve the new B12 tv deal likely pushing out some NBE prime time content, one has to wonder how much the next round will be worth. I read $7-7.5 but that was pre-Big12 FOX DEAL. People here posted $10 million but I imagine that is largely wishful thinking. What do you think the NBE is worth with no UConn?

 

[Duncan Idaho]

From UConn Report 2020 (projected numbers)

Big East:

Value of Big East deal with FOX: $4.2 million per year, per team

Value of current deal with SNY: About $1 million per year

Expected value of football deal with SNY: About $1 million per year (now CBSSN?)

Potential football buy game: $1 million per year

Bowl game payout: $310,000, based on 2019

Men’s Basketball Fund: $1.6 million

AAC exit fee: $1 million per year, after 2020

TOTAL: $8.1 million

Plus School licensing agreements

 

[Fishy]

Thoughts on the Portal, NIL and expanded CFP world

The transfer thread was turning into a discussion of how the transfer portal and NIL were going to impact college football. I think that is a very interesting discussion. Here are a few things I think are going to happen: 1) All of these things will feed off each other. Expanded access to...

the-boneyard.com

The linked thread basically covered my expectations for how the NIL and Transfer Portal (I also touch on streaming and the changes to the CFP) will impact college sports, and 4 months after making the first post in the thread, two mid-majors made the Final Four.

Almost every post in this current thread is based on several wrong assumptions:

1) ESPN will continue to have more revenue than every other broadcaster because ESPN can charge about $9 a cable subscriber whether they watch ESPN or not, and ESPN wants to broadcast household names in its main TV slots.
2) The SEC will continue to be dominant in hoarding talent because it is willing to cheat at a level that no other league is willing to do.
3) Players will happily spend their career being 3rd string on an SEC or Big 10 team rather than playing somewhere where they can actually play on the field.
4) Access to the College Football Playoff is limited so players that want to play in it have to go to a small handful of programs.

Every one of those assumptions was true 5 years ago, and is no longer true today. The SEC added Texas and Oklahoma and the Big 10 added UCLA and USC out of fear. Those two leagues can see the same fact pattern I just laid out and know that their competitive advantages have shrunk dramatically in the last two years.

I would spend zero time worrying about the SEC and Big Ten. The game is over and they both won. They killed the Big East, they killed the Big 12 twice, they just killed the Pac12 and they’re looking at their watches waiting to kill the ACC.

“Fear” for those conferences involves only making 15 times what UConn makes in rights fees.

There are folks here who think that we’re going to have no problem keeping up with the crowd when schools like RU are making a half to three quarters of a billion dollars more than we do over ten years.

Those people are out of their tree. We just need a seat at the second level of tables in order to be relevant when whatever happens in ten years happens.

 

[SubbaBub]

That's silly stuff. Rutgers hasn't improved?

Silly is holding up Rutgers as an example. It's akin to does a dead cat bounce?

RU had a decent FB program that is no better now. They have the money to keep Pikell a longer, thats about it. Other than money they are really not better off.

ND's program was dying and caught a lifeline via the ACC bowl tie-ins. Still can't think of anyone else who is in a significantly better place athletically.

Miami? Seriously, they were the Alabama of CFB before they moved and haven't been heard from since.

 

[superjohn]

I would spend zero time worrying about the SEC and Big Ten. The game is over and they both won. They killed the Big East, they killed the Big 12 twice, they just killed the Pac12 and they’re looking at their watches waiting to kill the ACC.

“Fear” for those conferences involves only making 15 times what UConn makes in rights fees.

There are folks here who think that we’re going to have no problem keeping up with the crowd when schools like RU are making a half to three quarters of a billion dollars more than we do over ten years.

Those people are out of their tree. We just need a seat at the second level of tables in order to be relevant when whatever happens in ten years happens.

Keep up with Rutgers in what? Basketball?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I would spend zero time worrying about the SEC and Big Ten. The game is over and they both won. They killed the Big East, they killed the Big 12 twice, they just killed the Pac12 and they’re looking at their watches waiting to kill the ACC.

“Fear” for those conferences involves only making 15 times what UConn makes in rights fees.

There are folks here who think that we’re going to have no problem keeping up with the crowd when schools like RU are making a half to three quarters of a billion dollars more than we do over ten years.

Those people are out of their tree. We just need a seat at the second level of tables in order to be relevant when whatever happens in ten years happens.

If you are right, then why haven't 50+ D1 schools shut down their athletic programs? You should let them know that it is already over.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Behind Mansfield Supply would give access to 44, 195 and north eagleville to 32. Tear down the prison side of Mansfield trading school for parking and shuttle service

The prison has already been torn down.

A new technical school is being built there.

 

[upstater]

In 1960, schools like Bradley, St. Bonaventure, Detroit, St. Louis, Drake, San Francisco, were very relevant on the national scene, top 25 schools. A decade later, St. Bonaventure, Drake and schools like Duquesne were relevant. Today all these private Catholics and small privates like Drake are irrelevant on the national scene.

No one laments the fact that these schools have totally dropped off. No one thinks of them for what they once were.

This is something the BE has to worry about. If the P2/4/5 break away, there will be a momentary collective outrage for the schools left behind, and then 3 years later, schools like St. Mary's and Butler and Xavier and Seton Hall will be forgotten, the way people think of St. Bonaventure today.

I'm not sure if they'll make special exceptions for schools like Villanova, Gonzaga and Georgetown; it seems they should. But nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Fishy]

If you are right, then why haven't 50+ D1 schools shut down their athletic programs? You should let them know that it is already over.

You can be as hyperbolic as you’d like, but the point stands…we’re not competing long term with schools that are putting away close to ten figures more than we do every ten years. And that will happen in the Big East. They’re going to get their $4.5M per year when Big Ten schools are topping $100M.

Gampel needs modest repairs and the school has put in print that we do not know where the funding will come from for even those repairs. (A $30M repair eats up almost eight years of our television revenue, or about six months of Rutgers’ television revenue…does everyone see how math works?)

 

[Fishy]

Keep up with Rutgers in what? Basketball?

Whistle past any graveyard you’d like.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You can be as hyperbolic as you’d like, but the point stands…we’re not competing long term with schools that are putting away close to ten figures more than we do every ten years. And that will happen in the Big East. They’re going to get their $4.5M per year when Big Ten schools are topping $100M.

Gampel needs modest repairs and the school has put in print that we do not know where the funding will come from for even those repairs. (A $30M repair eats up almost eight years of our television revenue, or about six months of Rutgers’ television revenue…does everyone see how math works?)

You should also let Disney know that the cable gravy train on ESPN will last forever. They are getting ready to trade it in for a Kia. Fishy > Iger when it comes to understanding sports media. There is a pretty good chance that the Big 10 contract just signed will be the all time high point for a linear deal. It is all downhill from here.

I have covered most of my thoughts on this subject in the streaming thread on the realignment board. I do not know where this change will end up, but virtually everyone agrees that traditional cable is going to die. Except you.

 

[CL82]

it is, but mid-5 million range I think. Notre Dame makes $10 from the ACC but I have to think part of that is a football “ supplement.” And we’ve the new B12 tv deal likely pushing out some NBE prime time content, one has to wonder how much the next round will be worth. I read $7-7.5 but that was pre-Big12 FOX DEAL. People here posted $10 million but I imagine that is largely wishful thinking. What do you think the NBE is worth with no UConn?

I thought the media rights deal was about $4 1/2M. Maybe NCAA credits are bumping it up the extra million?

Without UConn, I think the next big east media deal might be worth around $6 million per school. But that's obviously a guess.

 

[CL82]

I will give you credit @CL82 you are persistent and won’t let this thread die.

 

[CL82]

From UConn Report 2020 (projected numbers)

Big East:

Value of Big East deal with FOX: $4.2 million per year, per team

Value of current deal with SNY: About $1 million per year

Expected value of football deal with SNY: About $1 million per year (now CBSSN?)

Potential football buy game: $1 million per year

Bowl game payout: $310,000, based on 2019

Men’s Basketball Fund: $1.6 million

AAC exit fee: $1 million per year, after 2020

TOTAL: $8.1 million

Plus School licensing agreements

The football deal ended up being worth $500,000, not 1 million.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

The football deal ended up being worth $500,000, not 1 million.

Yeah, it’s grim.

 

[Kenny11]

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[CL82]

Yeah, it’s grim.

Better than nothing, and certainly better than not having one. The fact that we have a "national TV deal" as an independent is definitely something.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Better than nothing, and certainly better than not having one. The fact that we have a "national TV deal" as an independent is definitely something.

I meant the overall package is grim. I agree with you on the football part.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

The football deal ended up being worth $500,000, not 1 million.

Yep. these were projected numbers, So up to $100,000 per home game depending on opponent quality and no production costs.

 

[superjohn]

Whistle past any graveyard you’d like.

I think we'll be in the Big 12 and I think it's the right move but you honestly think Rutgers is passing UConn by in basketball if UConn remains in the Big East? I want to know where you stand.

Were you saying this in '14 when Rutgers joined the Big 10. You were about the most vocal critic that the Big East was done back then and that the AAC was far superior.

 

[Nick2005]

What's preventing UConn from winning championships while in the B12? No one seems to care about any team except Villanova in the NBE. No one who follows UConn baseball believed they were top ten. That was in one poll, there must be five of thos

What does any of what you're saying have to do with my post?

I don't really care what happens but I know that the Big 12 is the move. I love the Big East and will continue to love the Big East if UConn leaves just as I loved the Big East when UConn was in the AAC.
Even though I think it will slightly hurt UConn in men's basketball which I care most about I think we have to join the Big 12 if it's there and not only am I kind of hoping for it I think it will happen. I also root for UConn football and every other sport UConn plays, don't think I've missed a UConn football game even when they were losing every single game.

What I don't like is a bunch of the arguments thrown out around here trying to sell it. We aren't similar to the schools in the Big 12. We aren't similar to the schools in the Big East either.

Slightly hurt UConn in men's basketball is where u r a 100% wrong. I like winning national championships. Apparently u don't. Only thing I care about. It kills us.

 

[Nick2005]

Then tell me was year you expect UConn football to be respectful. They are lucky to have half the stadium filled for most of their games. Put a decent product on the field and then we can have a further discussion. Winning half your games is the goal for success? Against teams that are so below the talent level of teams in the Big 12? Let’s play Michigan again. That went well.

Ok boss what is Rutgers game? I don't care about money because it's not mine. So if you are a Rutgers fan, you excited in any way for the last 150 years? Wow you pay teachers more?

 

[superjohn]

Slightly hurt UConn in men's basketball is where u r a 100% wrong. I like winning national championships. Apparently u don't. Only thing I care about. It kills us.

Totally, we can no longer win national championships from the Big East.

It's been so long...