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At UConn, Kenya Hunter Sees Himself As A Fit For Dan Hurley's Culture

JMick said:
Oh, people tell me. People PM me all the time and say "You know what JMick? You're the most reasonable person here. Your logic is impeccable" I try not to flaunt it but I have to agree with them. If you need to use logic and you want a rational and reasonable point of view, just ask me. I'll tell you. The people love it. Believe me.
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Very humorous. Nice job imitating "The Donald".
 
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8893 said:
Yeah, whatever he's smoking ain't working. He's more bitter and obsessed now than he was when when KO was our coach.

My standards have remained the same; as they say, you can look it up.
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Fwiw, after my giant Unignore fest, I'm seeing continued disagreement more so than intransigence. I expect it to continue until the legal/financial dispute is settled, and I can imagine that there will be different levels of concern when things aren't perfect in the future, but not much would be lost if everybody dialed back on assumptions made about those with a recent history of seeing things differently.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
Fwiw, after my giant Unignore fest, I'm seeing continued disagreement more so than intransigence. I expect it to continue until the legal/financial dispute is settled, and I can imagine that there will be different levels of concern when things aren't perfect in the future, but not much would be lost if everybody dialed back on assumptions made about those with a recent history of seeing things differently.
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Thanks. I am increasingly seeing it as a parody account.
 
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JMick said:
Oh, people tell me. People PM me all the time and say "You know what JMick? You're the most reasonable person here. Your logic is impeccable" I try not to flaunt it but I have to agree with them. If you need to use logic and you want a rational and reasonable point of view, just ask me. I'll tell you. The people love it. Believe me.
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Hmm, I didn't know that you can PM yourself.
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
Bold. I'd love it. Could happen. But not an expectation.
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Not that bold. A reasonable assertion was made by many this past season that four more victories were in play. That would have resulted in an 18-12 season.

Next year the OOC schedule is easier and the conference is weaker. Larrier is the only major change and I feel Sid will more than make up the difference. Anything we get out of Gilbert is a bonus and the three incoming players are likely to be an upgrade over last season’s postgrads albeit a small upgrade.

Returning players have one more year under their belt.

If Hurley is as good as billed 24 wins is reasonable.

The only thing that would cause me to reduce that number would be if CV doesn’t return. His experience playing alongside Jalen is important for team continuity.
 
fleudslipcon said:
Not that bold. A reasonable assertion was made by many this past season that four more victories were in play. That would have resulted in an 18-12 season.

Next year the OOC schedule is easier and the conference is weaker. TL is the only major change and I feel Sid will more than make up the difference. Anything we get out of Gilbert is a bonus and the three incoming players are likely to be an upgrade over last season’s postgrads albeit a small upgrade.

Returning players have one more year under their belt.

If Hurley is as good as billed 24 wins is reasonable.

The only thing that would cause me to reduce that number would be if CV doesn’t return. His experience playing alongside Jalen is important for team continuity.
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50% more wins is not reasonable by any metric
 
fleudslipcon said:
Not that bold. A reasonable assertion was made by many this past season that four more victories were in play. That would have resulted in an 18-12 season.

Next year the OOC schedule is easier and the conference is weaker. TL is the only major change and I feel Sid will more than make up the difference. Anything we get out of Gilbert is a bonus and the three incoming players are likely to be an upgrade over last season’s postgrads albeit a small upgrade.

Returning players have one more year under their belt.

If Hurley is as good as billed 24 wins is reasonable.

The only thing that would cause me to reduce that number would be if CV doesn’t return. His experience playing alongside Jalen is important for team continuity.
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We'll, I won't claim that your labeling it as an expectation is the most over the top thing I've read here in years, I'll simply withhold from claiming as my expectation.
Certainly, I'd like it, and your expression is not implausible.
 
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superjohn said:
So just a 9 to 13 win improvement for a new coach with the same team as last year. Wow, you thought Ollie sucked even more than I did.
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It's not the same team. IF Gilbert is back, it's a very different team. And the 2 new grad transfers (I think) are better than the 2 departing ones.

I'm not defending his win total, i don't know what to expect, but I don't think it's fair to call it the "same team".
 
fleudslipcon said:
Not that bold. A reasonable assertion was made by many this past season that four more victories were in play. That would have resulted in an 18-12 season.

Next year the OOC schedule is easier and the conference is weaker. TL is the only major change and I feel Sid will more than make up the difference. Anything we get out of Gilbert is a bonus and the three incoming players are likely to be an upgrade over last season’s postgrads albeit a small upgrade.

Returning players have one more year under their belt.

If Hurley is as good as billed 24 wins is reasonable.

The only thing that would cause me to reduce that number would be if CV doesn’t return. His experience playing alongside Jalen is important for team continuity.[/QUOTE

The trolling is getting old and about as annoying as the people you are trolling were.

Please stop
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UConn won 14 games this past season. 14. I think winning 20 or more games next season would represent significant improvement and signal that UConn is well on its way to becoming relevant again on a national level. The team was basically dysfunctional the past two seasons. Expectations should be tempered a bit for the first 2 years.
 
Huskybass said:
UConn won 14 games this past season. 14. I think winning 20 or more games next season would represent significant improvement and signal that UConn is well on its way to becoming relevant again on a national level. The team was basically dysfunctional the past two seasons. Expectations should be tempered a bit for the first 2 years.
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Careful, you'll be labeled a Hurly apologist in no time. Deep tourney run or bust brah.
 
WingU-Conn said:
It's not the same team. IF Gilbert is back, it's a very different team. And the 2 new grad transfers (I think) are better than the 2 departing ones.

I'm not defending his win total, i don't know what to expect, but I don't think it's fair to call it the "same team".
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There was a lot of hand-wringing by KO supporters when TL was injured and missed a little bit of time this season. Are you saying that a freshman transfer that has not played a minute of college ball and has not played competitively in a year is a suitable replacement for TL?
 
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Huskybass said:
UConn won 14 games this past season. 14. I think winning 20 or more games next season would represent significant improvement and signal that UConn is well on its way to becoming relevant again on a national level. The team was basically dysfunctional the past two seasons. Expectations should be tempered a bit for the first 2 years.
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intlzncster said:
Careful, you'll be labeled a Hurly apologist in no time. Deep tourney run or bust brah.
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Well, those exact sentiments last season would have had the poster labeled as an Ollie apologista. I guess I'm just curious why the standards have changed on that end.

No one has seriously said deep tourney run or bust. Most people have said they expect to make the tournament, period.

IIRC I predicted 18 wins for us in the AAC at the beginning of last season in one of the polls someone posted here. Barring injury, I thought that was a reasonable expectation, which, combined with our OOC record, likely would have translated to an NCAA appearance. When Gilbert went down, that expectation ended. And when the team dropped those turds vs. Arkansas and Auburn and Ollie had no answers, my support for Ollie ended.

But now we reasonably expect a fully healthy Gilbert (or at least I do), at least by December. And Sid Wilson in place of Larrier, which I hope to at least be an upgrade in terms of energy and motor. And we have some front court players with a season under their belts and coach who is motivated and has a plan for their use and improvement; and I don't believe we lost anyone who hasn't been replaced by at least an equal player, if not better.

So I guess I'm wondering why some of you guys are so hesitant to hold Hurley to at least the same standards. Or why it is so offensive to you that I and many others do so.

To be clear: I love the hire and I believed it was time for Ollie to go. I just don't think anyone is doing any favors for the program to set the bar so low when it would not have been acceptable to them if Ollie had merely returned with the same players.
 
intlzncster said:
Careful, you'll be labeled a Hurly apologist in no time. Deep tourney run or bust brah.
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I am not too concerned about a "label". Hurley inherited a dysfunctional team. I think its only fair to give him 2 to 3 years to have things back at a level where NCAA tourney appearances are the norm. UConn only played in 3 postseason games over the past 4 seasons and that includes the NIT. That's a bigger hole to dig out of than many here would care to admit.
 
Ok, we started with one season, and then two; we now have a bid to allow three seasons before a Hurley-coached Husky team makes the NCAAs. Do I hear four? Anyone? Anyone?
 
8893 said:
Well, those exact sentiments last season would have had the poster labeled as an Ollie apologista. I guess I'm just curious why the standards have changed on that end.

So I guess I'm wondering why some of you guys are so hesitant to hold Hurley to at least the same standards. Or why it is so offensive to you that I and many others do so.
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Because it's not in a vacuum. The context is everything. KO was in year 6. This is what he built. Hurley is in year 1. He hasn't had a chance to build anything yet. Who gets more leeway in this scenario? That's rhetorical cause it's bloody obvious. It's basic common sense.

And while Gilbert may be healthy (idk), he's going to be rusty as hell--two years off, no training for 3 offseasons now, still hasn't had a year of MCBB experience--and I don't expect a ton this season.
 
8893 said:
Well, those exact sentiments last season would have had the poster labeled as an Ollie apologista. I guess I'm just curious why the standards have changed on that end.

No one has seriously said deep tourney run or bust. Most people have said they expect to make the tournament, period.

IIRC I predicted 18 wins for us in the AAC at the beginning of last season in one of the polls someone posted here. Barring injury, I thought that was a reasonable expectation, which, combined with our OOC record, likely would have translated to an NCAA appearance. When Gilbert went down, that expectation ended. And when the team dropped those turds vs. Arkansas and Auburn and Ollie had no answers, my support for Ollie ended.

But now we reasonably expect a fully healthy Gilbert (or at least I do), at least by December. And Sid Wilson in place of TL, which I hope to at least be an upgrade in terms of energy and motor. And we have some front court players with a season under their belts and coach who is motivated and has a plan for their use and improvement; and I don't believe we lost anyone who hasn't been replaced by at least an equal player, if not better.

So I guess I'm wondering why some of you guys are so hesitant to hold Hurley to at least the same standards. Or why it is so offensive to you that I and many others do so.

To be clear: I love the hire and I believed it was time for Ollie to go. I just don't think anyone is doing any favors for the program to set the bar so low when it would not have been acceptable to them if Ollie had merely returned with the same players.
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The standards have changed because UConn is coming off back to back losing seasons with a combined 30 wins and no postseason at all since 2016. That can't be hard for you to see.
I don't expect Hurley to work miracles in year one. I expect the team to be significantly better, and something like 20-22 wins would meet that reasonable standard. That's 50% more wins than this season. To me that represents significant improvement.
 
intlzncster said:
Because it's not in a vacuum. The context is everything. KO was in year 6. This is what he built. Hurley is in year 1. He hasn't had a chance to build anything yet. Who gets more leeway in this scenario? That's rhetorical cause it's bloody obvious. It's basic common sense.
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Sorry it’s neither obvious nor common sense to me to treat this like it’s going to be Hurley’s first year as a head coach or that this is a total rebuilding project from the ground up. There are so many ways in which that doesn’t make sense that I’m going to just agree to disagree and move on. Leeway? Yes. Be treated like a rookie coach with an empty cupboard? No.

I’m not going to freak out if we suck but I certainly don’t expect us to.
 
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Huskybass said:
UConn won 14 games this past season. 14. I think winning 20 or more games next season would represent significant improvement and signal that UConn is well on its way to becoming relevant again on a national level. The team was basically dysfunctional the past two seasons. Expectations should be tempered a bit for the first 2 years.
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My bad, I predicted 15 wins last season and they had 14. So Fleud expects them to have 10-14 more wins than last season. Seems really fair and reasonable.
 
8893 said:
Sorry it’s neither obvious nor common sense to me to treat this like it’s going to be Hurley’s first year as a head coach or that this is a total rebuilding project from the ground up. There are so many ways in which that doesn’t make sense that I’m going to just agree to disagree and move on. Leeway? Yes. Be treated like a rookie coach with an empty cupboard? No.

I’m not going to freak out if we suck but I certainly don’t expect us to.
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Fleud thinks 24-28 wins should be the expectation, do you agree?
 
superjohn said:
My bad, I predicted 15 wins last season and they had 14. So Fleud expects them to have 10-14 more wins than last season. Seems really fair and reasonable.
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But you, like me, expect them to make the NCAAs, correct? How many wins do you expect that to require and how far off is that from Fleud?
 
Huskybass said:
I am not too concerned about a "label". Hurley inherited a dysfunctional team. I think its only fair to give him 2 to 3 years to have things back at a level where NCAA tourney appearances are the norm. UConn only played in 3 postseason games over the past 4 seasons and that includes the NIT. That's a bigger hole to dig out of than many here would care to admit.
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I'm not going to run Hurley out of town if the team has a bad year. KO's stink is all over this roster in terms of talent identification, player development, basketball IQ, and toughness.

But I think Hurley himself expects more, and we should uphold high standards for the program.
 
8893 said:
But you, like me, expect them to make the NCAAs, correct? How many wins do you expect that to require and how far off is that from Fleud?
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My expectation is a bubble team that just sneaks in, 20-21 wins.
 
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