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At UConn, Kenya Hunter Sees Himself As A Fit For Dan Hurley's Culture

But you, like me, expect them to make the NCAAs, correct? How many wins do you expect that to require and how far off is that from Fleud?
Are you talking about what you actually expect to happen or what your general expectations are? Because if you're talking about standards I expect us to make the tournament 90% of the time. I just think it's kind of ridiculous to expect it right off the bat. Once we are in the swing of things it's a different story
 
20+ wins and an NCAA spot.

Same boat as last year. Need Gilbert's shoulder to last 6 months and Adams to make the jump to elite UConn guard. I'm optimistic Adams happens. Gotta figure luck breaks Gilbert's way eventually. There are at least 12-14 wins available to any competently coached minimally talented AAC team. How else do u think Mick Cronin can coach a team to a 2 seed. They take advantage and beat teams like Tulsa 2 times. We lost our 3 worst players off the roster. Addition by subtraction. The 2 transfers should be contributors as should Wilson.
 
There was a lot of hand-wringing by KO supporters when TL was injured and missed a little bit of time this season. Are you saying that a freshman transfer that has not played a minute of college ball and has not played competitively in a year is a suitable replacement for TL?
No. I said, in my opinion, the 2 grad transfers this year are better than the 2 grad transfers last year. That the team will be much different with Gilbert than without. And that it's unfair to call it "the same team".

I said nothing about Sid Wilson or Terry Larrier. But bringing up those two reinforces my point. Sid Wilson is not Terry Larrier. So it's not "the same team".
 
Sorry it’s neither obvious nor common sense to me to treat this like it’s going to be Hurley’s first year as a head coach or that this is a total rebuilding project from the ground up. There are so many ways in which that doesn’t make sense that I’m going to just agree to disagree and move on. Leeway? Yes. Be treated like a rookie coach with an empty cupboard? No.

Who said rookie coach? Not me. It's his first year at a new program. That's just reality. When a new coach comes in, he gets time to figure it out, especially given the fact that the program was a hot mess when he arrived. Hurley's moving up a level, which bears watching. All new players, all new facilities, league, assistants, athletic department, for the team a new culture and system etc.

Most new coaches at any program or pro team in general are given leeway. That's the common sense part.
 
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This program wasn't going back to the NCAAs with Ollie as the head coach, so whatever point you're trying to make isn't a good one.
What does what Ollie would have done have to do with the point I was making in that post? Huskybass doesn’t expect us to make the NCAAs for at least three more seasons. Do you think that’s reasonable? I don’t.
 
Who said rookie coach? Not me. It's his first year at a new program. That's just reality. When a new coach comes in, he gets time to figure it out, especially given the fact that the program was a hot mess when he arrived. Hurley's moving up a level, which bears watching. All new players, all new facilities, league, assistants, athletic department, for the team a new culture and system etc.

Most new coaches at any program or pro team in general are given leeway. That's the common sense part.
So you expect less of Hurley with a better roster than you would have expected from Ollie? Got it.
 
So you expect less of Hurley with a better roster than you would have expected from Ollie? Got it.

If we had Ollie, I'd be surprised if we made it to the NIT. I have higher expectations for Hurley than that in year 1.
 
Are you talking about what you actually expect to happen or what your general expectations are? Because if you're talking about standards I expect us to make the tournament 90% of the time. I just think it's kind of ridiculous to expect it right off the bat. Once we are in the swing of things it's a different story
That's probably not realistic. From 1990, JCs first with UConn, through 2012, JCs last with UConn, they made it 18 of 23 times for an average of 78%. Only once in that time did he go more than three years before a miss (2002-2006) and followed that up with 2 and a miss. So basically, 3 tourneys, one miss every four years as the norm. 90% would be amazing with 9 out of every 10 years making the dance.

Now if you said A tournament, I could be on board with 90%.
 
What does what Ollie would have done have to do with the point I was making in that post? Huskybass doesn’t expect us to make the NCAAs for at least three more seasons. Do you think that’s reasonable? I don’t.

That's not what I said. I said 2-3 years to get to the point where making the tourney routinely is again the expectation. For this year, I would be ok with significant improvement, and I think 20 wins meets that standard.
 
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What does what Ollie would have done have to do with the point I was making in that post? Huskybass doesn’t expect us to make the NCAAs for at least three more seasons. Do you think that’s reasonable? I don’t.
If i misinterpreted your post, I apologize. Seems like you were implying firing Ollie (and/or hiring Hurley) was a mistake if Hurley doesn't have us back in the NCAAs in years 1 and/or 2.

I don't know what the schedule or the roster will look like in three years (nobody does) but barring some major injuries (God forbid) or a bunch of transfers, I think it's reasonable to expect us to be in. In three years, Hurley's true first class of recruits will only be sophomores, and the underclassmen on this team have been underwhelming so far. We "could" have 5 seniors on that team, and with improved recruiting, yes we should make the tourney. But we don't know that they'll all be here in 3 years.

He'll really have to develop and recruit, but I think he's up to the task. I wouldn't call him a total failure if we're competitive and clearly improving. Gun to my head, I think it's fair to expect us to be in the NCAAs in 3 years. But I don't think he's a "failure" if we're not. There are too many variables. For example, if we don't make the NCAA, but make the NIT end up in the final four (or better) with a bunch of freshman and sophomores as the core of the team, then I think we'd have plenty of reason for optimism.
 
How the hell are they getting in with 20-21 wins? I just don't see that. Unless they win the AACT
There was a year where Tulsa and Temple got in with 20 and 21 wins.
 
If i misinterpreted your post, I apologize. Seems like you were implying firing Ollie (and/or hiring Hurley) was a mistake if Hurley doesn't have us back in the NCAAs in years 1 and/or 2.

I don't know what the schedule or the roster will look like in three years (nobody does) but barring some major injuries (God forbid) or a bunch of transfers, I think it's reasonable to expect us to be in. In three years, Hurley's true first class of recruits will only be sophomores, and the underclassmen on this team have been underwhelming so far. We "could" have 5 seniors on that team, and with improved recruiting, yes we should make the tourney. But we don't know that they'll all be here in 3 years.

He'll really have to develop and recruit, but I think he's up to the task. I wouldn't call him a total failure if we're competitive and clearly improving. Gun to my head, I think it's fair to expect us to be in the NCAAs in 3 years. But I don't think he's a "failure" if we're not. There are too many variables. For example, if we don't make the NCAA, but make the NIT end up in the final four (or better) with a bunch of freshman and sophomores as the core of the team, then I think we'd have plenty of reason for optimism.
If we're not in the tournament in 3 years he's definitely failing. If we see improvement this year and miss out that's okay but he will be expected to make it going forward. It shouldn't be a long rebuild. We're still by far the biggest name in the conference, he is a very good coach, and he's hired a really good staff.
 
How the hell are they getting in with 20-21 wins? I just don't see that. Unless they win the AACT
We would have gotten in the tourny in 2015-2016 with 20-21 wins had Jalen's 70 footer not gone in.
 
If i misinterpreted your post, I apologize. Seems like you were implying firing Ollie (and/or hiring Hurley) was a mistake if Hurley doesn't have us back in the NCAAs in years 1 and/or 2.

I don't know what the schedule or the roster will look like in three years (nobody does) but barring some major injuries (God forbid) or a bunch of transfers, I think it's reasonable to expect us to be in. In three years, Hurley's true first class of recruits will only be sophomores, and the underclassmen on this team have been underwhelming so far. We "could" have 5 seniors on that team, and with improved recruiting, yes we should make the tourney. But we don't know that they'll all be here in 3 years.

He'll really have to develop and recruit, but I think he's up to the task. I wouldn't call him a total failure if we're competitive and clearly improving. Gun to my head, I think it's fair to expect us to be in the NCAAs in 3 years. But I don't think he's a "failure" if we're not. There are too many variables. For example, if we don't make the NCAA, but make the NIT end up in the final four (or better) with a bunch of freshman and sophomores as the core of the team, then I think we'd have plenty of reason for optimism.
This coming year not making the tournament would not be a failure but he's got pieces to potentially get us there. Next year is a total crap shoot and can't be the defining moment. But if he doesn't at least get us in and maybe through the first weekend in his third year, I think you can start raising some flags.
 
If we're not in the tournament in 3 years he's definitely failing. If we see improvement this year and miss out that's okay but he will be expected to make it going forward. It shouldn't be a long rebuild. We're still by far the biggest name in the conference, he is a very good coach, and he's hired a really good staff.
His first class will be sophomores in year three.

We'll see which freshmen leave, which ones stay, and how much they develop, . That will matter tremendously.
 
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This coming year not making the tournament would not be a failure but he's got pieces to potentially get us there. Next year is a total crap shoot and can't be the defining moment. But if he doesn't at least get us in and maybe through the first weekend in his third year, I think you can start raising some flags.
We have 5 sophomores next year. Call me skeptical that they all stay.

If they do, I agree. If 3 of them leave, and Gilbert can never turn into the player he was projected to be, then my expectations shift.

Like I said, looking at what he have now, and the way I expect him to recruit. I think it's a reasonable expectation. But things change.
 
His first class will be sophomores in year three.

We'll see which freshmen leave, which ones stay, and how much they develop, . That will matter tremendously.
There will be major problems if we don't make a single tournament in 3 years. I don't see any way that happens.
 
Ok, we started with one season, and then two; we now have a bid to allow three seasons before a Hurley-coached Husky team makes the NCAAs. Do I hear four? Anyone? Anyone?

8893 the expectation is for Hurley to make the NCAA tournament next year.

With Jalen Adams, Vital, Polley, Sid the Kid, Gilbert, Carlton, that’s enough to make the tournament. Not to mention that the AAC will be down next year.

Jalen Adams return really elevates expectations for Hurley and UCONN nation.
 
Why are you trolling like this?

Because I’m bored. Mets got swept, there’s no game on, and it’s like skeet shooting fish in a barrel (TM) with the ridiculousness being thrown around here trying to protect a guy from expectations that you and I both know are lower than his own.

If we're not in the tournament in 3 years he's definitely failing. If we see improvement this year and miss out that's okay but he will be expected to make it going forward. It shouldn't be a long rebuild. We're still by far the biggest name in the conference, he is a very good coach, and he's hired a really good staff.

This is exactly where I’m at. I think it’s reasonable next year. If we come close and miss, okay. But it should be the expectation.

At the end of the day, I think most of us are within two or three wins of each other, so I don’t understand the fuss.
 
We have 5 sophomores next year. Call me skeptical that they all stay.

If they do, I agree. If 3 of them leave, and Gilbert can never turn into the player he was projected to be, then my expectations shift.

Like I said, looking at what he have now, and the way I expect him to recruit. I think it's a reasonable expectation. But things change.
In all honesty Hurley wouldn't mind some defections. I know he isn't too keen on the talent outside of Jalen and Alterique, he knows he can develop some other players but he wants to seriously upgrade the talent. Luckily he has a lot of scolarships to bring in talent in 2019.
 
I would be underwhelmed if we don’t win 20 and look like an organized, well coached doing it. That is my expectation for next year.
 
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Year 1. If Gilbert is healthy, I expect us to squeak into the tournament. The upside is higher if one of the sophomores to be or Wilson pops.

Year 2 could be a step back. Losing Adams is a killer and while I expect a very good recruiting class, guys in the 50-100 range aren't always immediate impact (something to keep in mind with our current class - Sid is the consensus #89 recruit. Look at the track record of guys in that range.)

Year 3 should be upper echelon AAC and a solid tournament time. I expect a very good class with 4 guys in the 50-100ish range. By year 2, they should be legit impact players.

Year 4. We should be Cincinnati from here on out, without the huge March failures. Hopefully Gilbert is finishing up a legendary UCONN career, and probably on his way to a Doctorate.
 
In all honesty Hurley wouldn't mind some defections. I know he isn't too keen on the talent outside of Jalen and Alterique, he knows he can develop some other players but he wants to seriously upgrade the talent. Luckily he has a lot of scolarships to bring in talent in 2019.
That's kind of my point. If the roster is overhauled after next year (I think we should be in the tourney next year), then years two and three will be a core of freshmen and sophomores. The expectations get reset for the next year or two. That said, we desperately need some stability. I know the number transfers is increasing everywhere, but we can't keep going with the number of defections (in addition to the occasional decommitment) that we've had.
 
In all honesty Hurley wouldn't mind some defections. I know he isn't too keen on the talent outside of Jalen and Alterique
How about Sid? Should I not expect an upgrade over TL?
 
How about Sid? Should I not expect an upgrade over TL?
I think as a whole, Sid + Polley will be better than Larrier + Polley. I can't commit to Wilson being outright better than Larrier, though.
 
How about Sid? Should I not expect an upgrade over TL?
I don't understand this approach. At the risk of being captain obvious, basketball is a team sport. If we have a healthy Alterique, Jalen, and CV, then Wilson won't feel the pressure that Larrier did. If the bigs develop, and we have an actual scoring threat in the paint, then the perimeter players will be that much more dangerous. If we have more organized, pressing/trapping/better defensive team, then buckets will come more easily and a guy like Wilson will find it easier to make an impact. With better coaching, and less selfishness across the board, the entire team should improve.

Wilson next year may or or may not be "better" than Larrier, but he may or may not have to be. It's not a simple binary plug and play situation.
 
I don't understand this approach. At the risk of being captain obvious, basketball is a team sport. If we have a healthy Alterique, Jalen, and CV, then Wilson won't feel the pressure that TL did. If the bigs develop, and we have an actual scoring threat in the paint, then the perimeter players will be that much more dangerous. If we have more organized, pressing/trapping/better defensive team, then buckets will come more easily and a guy like Wilson will find it easier to make an impact. With better coaching, and less selfishness across the board, the entire team should improve.

Wilson next year may or or may not be "better" than TL, but he may or may not have to be. It's not a simple binary plug and play situation.
What?!?

SJ said Hurley wouldn’t mind defections beyond Jalen and Alterique. I wanted to know if Sid was considered expendable and whether I was offbase to think he has more potential than TL.
 
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