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ACC replacement list: UConn, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Washington State, Oregon State

Rufus said:
If Florida State became available, they would be #19. That means #20 goes to Notre Dame if ND wanted it. If not, UNC would have next selection, and if UNC didn't want it, it would go to Miam UConn
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Sounds good to me
 
Kolumbo said:
Cal-Berkeley to the ACC makes so much sense because:
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They took a discounted payout (although not the SMU freebie) and agreed to play home games half way across the country. Reportedly the ACC then took the money from their pro-rata and is using that to fund the performance based payouts that were the initial attempt to appease Florida State
 
ScottVib said:
They took a discounted payout (although not the SMU freebie) and agreed to play home games half way across the country. Reportedly the ACC then took the money from their pro-rata and is using that to fund the performance based payouts that were the initial attempt to appease Florida State
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But why Cal? Could they have gotten the pro-rata increase from any other program? They got San Fran with Stanford. Cal stinks in football. B1G and SEC went after top football brands and the ACC picked up Cal.
 
Kolumbo said:
But why Cal? Could they have gotten the pro-rata increase from any other program? They got San Fran with Stanford. Cal stinks in football. B1G and SEC went after top football brands and the ACC picked up Cal.
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The ACC didn't get a sniff from the other brands, Texas/OU wasn't going there, especially when they knew they could land in the SEC or Big Ten and make more. The ACC didn't want to go to the Pacific (the Big Ten was first to have that vision). They got Cal & Stanford on the cheap when the Bears/Cardinal and the ACC were both desperate... the ACC needed revenue to placate Florida State; and Cal/Stanford needed a home any home in anything that resembled a Power conference. Otherwise they'd be in the same spot as Wash. State and Oregon State.
 
I see Cal/Stanford returning to a conference on the West coast and joining back up with OSU and WSU. When some of these ACC schools start packing their bags, are they really going to stay? I just don't see it. I don't see it being a thing now but it is. In the next round of realignment, I think we won't see either school in the ACC, or the other P3
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
If 4 top ACC brands leave, there is basically no chance any Big12 teams would move to the ACC.
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I think UCF, WVU & Cincinnati would all join the ACC for travel reasons. It would make sense for the B12 and the ACC to stay as separate conferences based on geography, but share a TV contract.
 
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All future expansion is subject to the networks contributing hundreds of millions to make expansion possible. Barring that increased revenue, every B1G and SEC team will have to take a reduction in revenue for the sake of expansion. With the players looking to get paid, I don’t see the B1G or the SEC expanding given those unknown costs.
 
NE Football said:
I think UCF, WVU & Cincinnati would all join the ACC for travel reasons. It would make sense for the B12 and the ACC to stay as separate conferences based on geography, but share a TV contract.
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Travel has not been a reason for ANY conference realignment movements. It's all about the top line/revenue, stability/football conference profile, and access to CFP dollars.

If the best ACC brands leave for the B1G and or SEC, you'll be left with a third tier ACC in terms of the conference pecking order (it'll be SEC/B1G in tier 1, a gap down to the Big12, the ACC leftovers, another gap down to the G5)... No media outlet is going to throw big dollars at a Big12/remnant ACC because there's not enough linear TV slots for that big of a Frankenstein conference/2-conference affiliation with second/third rate viewership history.
 
Based on the 19 team Jim Williams ACC...I guess the two divisions would be...memphis could go in either...

a lot to like about our division for MBB purposes...plus the occasional road trip to New Orleans...

the obvious perpetual disclaimer...that is of course until the 'best' football programs get poached

Boston College
Duke
NC State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
UConn
UVA
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Cal
Georgia Tech
Miami
OSU
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
USF
WSU
 
Rufus said:
According to Greg Flugaur, this is the order FOX prefers expansion candidates:

1. Notre Dame
2. North Carolina
3. Florida State
4. Miami

If Florida State became available, they would be #19. That means #20 goes to Notre Dame if ND wanted it. If not, UNC would have next selection, and if UNC didn't want it, it would go to Miami.

I don't think there is any scenario where the B1G would have to go any further down the list than that.

Notre Dame could insist on independence
UNC could go with the SEC (and Flugaur insists that the current UNC administration prefers the SEC)
But I don't see Miami in any way, shape or form turning down a B1G invite.

His sources also say that FSU wants in the B1G.

So the likely outcome here is FSU #19 and then either Notre Dame joins at #20 or Miami does, as UNC appears set on the SEC.
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Fluguar is not Key Tweets worthy.
 
GampelGladiator said:
Based on the 19 team Jim Williams ACC...I guess the two divisions would be...memphis could go in either...

a lot to like about our division for MBB purposes...plus the occasional road trip to New Orleans...

the obvious perpetual disclaimer...that is of course until the 'best' football programs get poached

Boston College
Duke
NC State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
UConn
UVA
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Cal
Georgia Tech
Miami
OSU
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
USF
WSU
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I don't think Miami will be around. After that, I think this is realistic ---- unless the Big 12 can poach.
 
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Hoophound said:
If Cuse and BC know what’s good for them, they will push for us. The region needs the rivalries.

I’d like to merge the Big East with the ACC. I love Big East basketball. I just watched Xavier and Georgetown and enjoyed it. I don’t really enjoy watching any other conference and never have. A lifetime of following the Big East is hard to let go.
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The BIG EAST will never join a football conference again. You think Georgetown want to be associated with NC State, Duke or UNC?
 
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noeynox said:
Out of this group I'd go UConn/USF/OSU/WSU. All have been power conference schools and had success in them.
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USF on campus stadium will be nice. Of course, USF don't have NIMBYs near where they are building it. USF is in an area known as suitcase city, yet the area is gentrifying. New student apartments, a new Spouts Markets.
 
GampelGladiator said:
Based on the 19 team Jim Williams ACC...I guess the two divisions would be...memphis could go in either...

a lot to like about our division for MBB purposes...plus the occasional road trip to New Orleans...

the obvious perpetual disclaimer...that is of course until the 'best' football programs get poached

Boston College
Duke
NC State
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
UConn
UVA
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Cal
Georgia Tech
Miami
OSU
SMU
Stanford
Tulane
USF
WSU
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What I like is seeing Wake Forest, VA Tech, UVa, and the other in our conference every other year and see some of the other conference (Washington State, OSU, Stanford, Cal) at the Rent at times... Expansion?
 
noeynox said:
Out of this group I'd go UConn/USF/OSU/WSU. All have been power conference schools and had success in them.
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It is a nice grouping. Don't sell Tulane short though. It was in the SEC for a long time.
HuskyDogArt said:
The BIG EAST will never join a football conference again. You think Georgetown want to be associated with NC State, Duke or UNC?
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I know it's not likely but there will be ACC carnage so who knows what will happen. As for Georgetown, I think it would be fine associating with Duke, UNC, Wake, etc.
 
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HuskyDogArt said:
The BIG EAST will never join a football conference again. You think Georgetown want to be associated with NC State, Duke or UNC?
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Academically they are all well-renowned peers (Except State) so yes Georgetown would fit in with the stereotypical ACC school (If they were FBS)
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Travel has not been a reason for ANY conference realignment movements. It's all about the top line/revenue, stability/football conference profile, and access to CFP dollars.

If the best ACC brands leave for the B1G and or SEC, you'll be left with a third tier ACC in terms of the conference pecking order (it'll be SEC/B1G in tier 1, a gap down to the Big12, the ACC leftovers, another gap down to the G5)... No media outlet is going to throw big dollars at a Big12/remnant ACC because there's not enough linear TV slots for that big of a Frankenstein conference/2-conference affiliation with second/third rate viewership history.
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The ACC will still have the ACCN and ESPN always needs programming. The B1G would have to take 2 ACC teams and the SEC 4 teams leaving the ACC with 13 teams plus ND. There are no major brands in the Big 12, but they could lose teams to the SEC and the B1G. Regardless of which conference loses which teams, the remaining teams are all on the same level. ESPN has contracts with both conferences already so there is definitely enough tv slots. It would still be two conferences, but one TV contract. Otherwise the ACC with the superior markets and having its own network would add 3-7 Big 12 teams. UCF, WVU & Cincinnati would easily join the ACC. TCU, KU, Arizona & ASU could be the other 4 teams to join the ACC.
 
NE Football said:
The ACC will still have the ACCN and ESPN always needs programming. The B1G would have to take 2 ACC teams and the SEC 4 teams leaving the ACC with 13 teams plus ND. There are no major brands in the Big 12, but they could lose teams to the SEC and the B1G. Regardless of which conference loses which teams, the remaining teams are all on the same level. ESPN has contracts with both conferences already so there is definitely enough tv slots. It would still be two conferences, but one TV contract. Otherwise the ACC with the superior markets and having its own network would add 3-7 Big 12 teams. UCF, WVU & Cincinnati would easily join the ACC. TCU, KU, Arizona & ASU could be the other 4 teams to join the ACC.
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If the 4 top ACC brands leave, then the remnant ACC has no superiority to the Big12 as ESPN will rewrite the ACC media contract. The top 4 ACC brands bring about one-third of the ACC's tv value and without them with a rewritten ESPN contract, they'd fall below the Big12. In that scenario, second tier ACC teams such as Louisville, Pitt, VA Tech would want to move to the Big12.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
If the 4 top ACC brands leave, then the remnant ACC has no superiority to the Big12 as ESPN will rewrite the ACC media contract. The top 4 ACC brands bring about one-third of the ACC's tv value and without them with a rewritten ESPN contract, they'd fall below the Big12. In that scenario, second tier ACC teams such as Louisville, Pitt, VA Tech would want to move to the Big12.
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The remaining ACC teams have bigger markets than the Big 12 teams and they will still have the ACCN. WVU, Cincinnati, UCF will all save on travel expenses big time. TCU, TT will want to be with Stanford & Cal. The infrastructure is just better in the ACC than the Big 12 as is the location of the ACC markets. ESPN would rebuild the ACC with the markets that they want. Notre Dame does not want the ACC to fail either and they’re not giving up their independence unless it’s for a conference that they can control.

Assuming:
Miami & FSU join the B1G
UNC, UVA, Clemson & NC St join the SEC

ACC - East
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Duke
Wake
GT
UCF
Notre Dame or Cincinnati

ACC - West
Cal
Stanford
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas St
Arizona
ASU
Louisville

Big 12 remaining teams: 7 maybe 8 depending on Notre Dame

Baylor
Houston
Iowa St
Colorado
BYU
Utah
OK St.

Houston has a big market and Colorado has the Denver market, but the rest are in sparsely populated areas. They will add WSU & OSU and the best of MWC and maybe a couple of AAC teams to form the 4th - 20 team conference.
 
NE Football said:
The remaining ACC teams have bigger markets than the Big 12 teams and they will still have the ACCN. WVU, Cincinnati, UCF will all save on travel expenses big time. TCU, TT will want to be with Stanford & Cal. The infrastructure is just better in the ACC than the Big 12 as is the location of the ACC markets. ESPN would rebuild the ACC with the markets that they want. Notre Dame does not want the ACC to fail either and they’re not giving up their independence unless it’s for a conference that they can control.

Assuming:
Miami & FSU join the B1G
UNC, UVA, Clemson & NC St join the SEC

ACC - East
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Duke
Wake
GT
UCF
Notre Dame or Cincinnati

ACC - West
Cal
Stanford
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas
Kansas St
Arizona
ASU
Louisville

Big 12 remaining teams: 7 maybe 8 depending on Notre Dame

Baylor
Houston
Iowa St
Colorado
BYU
Utah
OK St.

Houston has a big market and Colorado has the Denver market, but the rest are in sparsely populated areas. They will add WSU & OSU and the best of MWC and maybe a couple of AAC teams to form the 4th - 20 team conference.
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Markets don't matter; ratings do.
Travel doesn't matter; at all.
You've got yourself convinced that the ACC will take teams from the Big12; very few other media people and fans agree with you.
 
Just a couple of quick questions, who in the Big East is important to UConn? What teams are most important for you to keep playing? Also, what non Big10/SEC BCS football schools would you want to be in a conference with?
 
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dayooper said:
Just a couple of quick questions, who in the Big East is important to UConn? What teams are most important for you to keep playing? Also, what non Big10/SEC BCS football schools would you want to be in a conference with?
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I would only miss Nova, St. John's, and Georgetown; however, I would give them up for larger schools with fan bases our size. We need to play with big state and private schools that get significant attention, not the sunday school league
 
dayooper said:
Just a couple of quick questions, who in the Big East is important to UConn? What teams are most important for you to keep playing? Also, what non Big10/SEC BCS football schools would you want to be in a conference with?
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I think we love playing a tournament in New York City/MSG.

When I watched the ACC tournament this year I really didn’t think that they have anything more special.

The same with the B1G.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think we love playing a tournament in New York City/MSG.

When I watched the ACC tournament this year I really didn’t think that they have anything more special.

The same with the B1G.
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the BET/MSG is a great great thing, but I'd give it up before dinnertime to get out of the Big East and into a decent all-sports conference that's a good home for basketball AND football.
 
John said:
the BET/MSG is a great great thing, but I'd give it up before dinnertime to get out of the Big East and into a decent all-sports conference that's a good home for basketball AND football.
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Same feeling here
 
cellocgg said:
I would only miss Nova, St. John's, and Georgetown; however, I would give them up for larger schools with fan bases our size. We need to play with big state and private schools that get significant attention, not the sunday school league
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Agreed - just add in Providence to your list. We could play the handful of these rivals in home and home series and or in-season tournaments to satiate the desire to play regional/historic rivals. To stay relevant in the long term we'll need to be with schools that are in our peer group (i.e. not small private schools). We need to be with national and or at least multi-regional schools/brands.
 
ZooCougar said:
I think we love playing a tournament in New York City/MSG.

When I watched the ACC tournament this year I really didn’t think that they have anything more special.

The same with the B1G.
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The other conference tournaments blow, Big East tournament is incredible. As a basketball fan nothing beats that Friday night and Saturday night at The Garden. Sunday in Greensboro, Minnesota, and Kansas City is pretty damn boring.

I just realized ACC wasn't in Greensboro this year, they don't even have a home.
 
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