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ACC replacement list: UConn, USF, Memphis, Tulane, Washington State, Oregon State

NE Football said:
The problem with B1G is that most of their teams are terrible to watch. It’s a very regional conference. The USC and UCLA fans have zero interest in seeing games v Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers, Maryland and especially Iowa!
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because there's so much interest in watching Seton Hall and Georgetown.
 
UConn Dan said:
Jim Williams is non key. Spits out every scenario.

CR isn’t over but don’t hold your breath on this one.
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Yep. He just tweets wild crap like he's from West Virginia or something.

One thing to remember...if the big brands leave the ACC for the Big Ten and SEC, the Big 12 will come for some of the secondary brands like SU, Pitt, Louisville, VT, etc. There's not a scenario where we're backfilled into an ACC that isn't AAC 2.0 and on a rail out of the power conference structure.

Our absolute best hope for escape into a power conference is the Big 12 somehow decides that basketball in the northeast is something they cannot wait on. I'd put the odds on that as remotely remote, but that's it.
 
Fishy said:
Yep. He just tweets wild crap like he's from West Virginia or something.

One thing to remember...if the big brands leave the ACC for the Big Ten and SEC, the Big 12 will come for some of the secondary brands like SU, Pitt, Louisville, VT, etc. There's not a scenario where we're backfilled into an ACC that isn't AAC 2.0 and on a rail out of the power conference structure.

Our absolute best hope for escape into a power conference is the Big 12 somehow decides that basketball in the northeast is something they cannot wait on. I'd put the odds on that as remotely remote, but that's it.
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Are you in favor of shutting down the football program since an invitation to a major is hopeless? If not, why not?
 
Fishy said:
Yep. He just tweets wild crap like he's from West Virginia or something.

One thing to remember...if the big brands leave the ACC for the Big Ten and SEC, the Big 12 will come for some of the secondary brands like SU, Pitt, Louisville, VT, etc. There's not a scenario where we're backfilled into an ACC that isn't AAC 2.0 and on a rail out of the power conference structure.

Our absolute best hope for escape into a power conference is the Big 12 somehow decides that basketball in the northeast is something they cannot wait on. I'd put the odds on that as remotely remote, but that's it.
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In a few years when the Big12 realizes UCF, ASU, Cincy and Houston were total ass additions I’m not sure they’ll itching to add more mouths to feed
 
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John said:
We heard you the first time, you want our athletic department to be modeled after Seton Hall.
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Weak. You and a few others spew misery about UConn's conference situation non-stop even though there is nothing anyone can do about it. Give it a rest. It got old a long time ago.
 
Fishy said:
Yep. He just tweets wild crap like he's from West Virginia or something.

One thing to remember...if the big brands leave the ACC for the Big Ten and SEC, the Big 12 will come for some of the secondary brands like SU, Pitt, Louisville, VT, etc. There's not a scenario where we're backfilled into an ACC that isn't AAC 2.0 and on a rail out of the power conference structure.

Our absolute best hope for escape into a power conference is the Big 12 somehow decides that basketball in the northeast is something they cannot wait on. I'd put the odds on that as remotely remote, but that's it.
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It really depends on who’s left in ACC. If only 4 schools leave, could see ACC surviving and maybe poaching Big12
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
If 4 top ACC brands leave, there is basically no chance any Big12 teams would move to the ACC.
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Assuming the proverbial 4 leave: Clemson, UNC, FSU and UVA, you still have a league with NC state, Miami, V Tech, UofL, Pitt, Syr, GT and Duke. Cincy and WVU would join that league if money is right. Wouldn’t mind UConn in that group.
 
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If Notre Dame stays independent and if UNC goes to the SEC as the pundits are saying, Miami will be B1G #20 to go along with FSU at #19. Maybe not the same year, but they would be the preferred team #20 if Notre Dame and UNC are off the board for the B1G.
 
John said:
because there's so much interest in watching Seton Hall and Georgetown.
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There is actually more interest at a regional level for these two than USC-Rutgers or Oregon-Maryland.
 
DFW HOYA said:
There is actually more interest at a regional level for these two than USC-Rutgers or Oregon-Maryland.
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The West Coast schools actually look forward to playing Rutgers and Maryland. Those are golden opportunities for their development officers to engage with alumni on the East Coast to raise funds for the universities. Lots of alumni in NYC and DC corridor that they can tap into with engagement events around athletic events. Same with selling tickets. Now TV ratings might be a different story, but there are benefits to playing the East Coast teams.
 
uconnyankee said:
Assuming the proverbial 4 leave: Clemson, UNC, FSU and UVA, you still have a league with NC state, Miami, V Tech, UofL, Pitt, Syr, GT and Duke. Cincy and WVU would join that league if money is right. Wouldn’t mind UConn in that group.
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Nope - that'd be a lateral move (at best) in terms of football performance and revenue and would be a step down in terms of stability (which is super important/maybe the most important factor of all in the conference realignment/consolidation environment that we're in). Big12 universities are much better off not going to the ACC.

That said, if we go to the leftovers ACC it might be better than our current BE/FB independent situation, but that's still TBD given that ESPN would revise the ACC tv contract for sure.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Nope - that'd be a lateral move (at best) in terms of football performance and revenue and would be a step down in terms of stability (which is super important/maybe the most important factor of all in the conference realignment/consolidation environment that we're in). Big12 universities are much better off not going to the ACC.

That said, if we go to the leftovers ACC it might be better than our current BE/FB independent situation, but that's still TBD given that ESPN would revise the ACC tv contract for sure.
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It would just look like the AAC but with Wake Forest and a few other ACC leftovers.
 
uconnyankee said:
Assuming the proverbial 4 leave: Clemson, UNC, FSU and UVA, you still have a league with NC state, Miami, V Tech, UofL, Pitt, Syr, GT and Duke. Cincy and WVU would join that league if money is right. Wouldn’t mind UConn in that group.
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I don't disagree with that, but I don't think Miami, Louisville, and Pitt are going to stay in the ACC if four top brands leave.
 
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CTFAN4LIFE said:
I don't disagree with that, but I don't think Miami, Louisville, and Pitt are going to stay in the ACC if four top brands leave.
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Even if those brands left (and Louisville & Pitt are less desirable brands to a Big XII already bloated to 16) you'd still have a rump ACC that is better for the athletic department and would feature several long-term rivals. If you had a scenario where the Big XII decided to be the Big XX you're more likely looking at them seeking NC State, Virginia Tech, Miami, and one out of the Georgia Tech, Louisville, Duke (if he Yormark really thinks hoops has value). That leaves the rump ACC with BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Pitt, two of Louisville, Georgia Tech, Duke (as well as Stanford, SMU & Cal). From a nostalgia perspective you still get a taste of the Big East that UConn grew up in, albeit under a different name (and nowhere near as sweet), from a football perspective you get a schedule with schools that while currently P4 (at least in name) are programs UConn can compete with.

It won't happen, but really the best thing "sanity-wise" in a scenario where the ACC loses its top brands would be for the ACC and Big XII to partner to swap out brands into a bit more of a geographic alignment. Rump-ACC would swap out Stanford, Cal & SMU for WVU, UCF & Cincy.
 
ScottVib said:
Even if those brands left (and Louisville & Pitt are less desirable brands to a Big XII already bloated to 16) you'd still have a rump ACC that is better for the athletic department and would feature several long-term rivals. If you had a scenario where the Big XII decided to be the Big XX you're more likely looking at them seeking NC State, Virginia Tech, Miami, and one out of the Georgia Tech, Louisville, Duke (if he Yormark really thinks hoops has value). That leaves the rump ACC with BC, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Pitt, two of Louisville, Georgia Tech, Duke (as well as Stanford, SMU & Cal). From a nostalgia perspective you still get a taste of the Big East that UConn grew up in, albeit under a different name (and nowhere near as sweet), from a football perspective you get a schedule with schools that while currently P4 (at least in name) are programs UConn can compete with.

It won't happen, but really the best thing "sanity-wise" in a scenario where the ACC loses its top brands would be for the ACC and Big XII to partner to swap out brands into a bit more of a geographic alignment. Rump-ACC would swap out Stanford, Cal & SMU for WVU, UCF & Cincy.
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I agree. The SEC and Big are P2. Battle is for P3 slot. Neither Big 12 or ACC is in a position today to poach the other. You make interesting point about those two working together to create value. Louisville, Cincy, WVU and Memphis in same conference makes a nice regional fit.
So does UConn, BC and Syracuse.

Everything really hinges on who stays in ACC and whether ND continues its partnership with ACC for FB. If ND football joined ACC what does that do to equation?
 
uconnyankee said:
Everything really hinges on who stays in ACC and whether ND continues its partnership with ACC for FB. If ND football joined ACC what does that do to equation?
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In that extraordinarily unlikely scenario (joining in full), it'd be a game-changer for their rights. It's not going to happen.

Notre Dame will go to whomever offers them the best deal for their non-football rights, for the leftover-ACC to keep them, they'd probably have to back off of the game commitment to whatever level of help Notre Dame wants in filling its schedule.
 
uconnyankee said:
I agree. The SEC and Big are P2. Battle is for P3 slot. Neither Big 12 or ACC is in a position today to poach the other. You make interesting point about those two working together to create value. Louisville, Cincy, WVU and Memphis in same conference makes a nice regional fit.
So does UConn, BC and Syracuse.

Everything really hinges on who stays in ACC and whether ND continues its partnership with ACC for FB. If ND football joined ACC what does that do to equation?
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The race for spot P3 is interesting because all the top tier programs have been poached from the Big12 whereas the ACC still has poachable schools.

Big12 is more solid vis a vis the ACC because ACC hasn't been raided yet and once the flood gates open the middle of the ACC which remains after poaching might like the Big12 more than it would like floating to the top of the ACC and backfilling the ACC with more non-P4 schools.
 
Seems to me the horse trading of the remaining schools/conf will be decided by the funders- ahem; tv money, which is pretty much the same as all the prior cycles. So will Fox arm the B1G for one more expansion? Will ESPN support the SEC for one more expansion at the cost of its ACC product? Will Fox support the B12 for one more expansion? IDK- but that seems to be a very important part of the calculus.

I think the wildcard for us is whether or not Fox wants to fund the B12’s desires for ACC remnants. If they stand down, then maybe the ACC remnants survive and we fill the vacuum to form a power lite conf backed by ESPN.

So Fox are supporting the FSU exit?
 
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As we say iit n these mountains of Appalachia...the would be a fox paw for ESPN.
 
I don't find this rumor nor its original source (Jim Williams) to be credible. But, like most of you, I do believe more realignment is inevitable.

I'm not a UConn alum nor a longtime fan. I do have an interest. I have lived in the state since 2017. My daughter is UConn student. And my son is graduating high school in June and will matriculate next fall. As an interested and sympathetic observer, the the topic of this thread and the variety of comments within it made me curious what UConn alums and fans would prefer if given a choice.

1) Stay in the Big East.

2) Join an ACC that included something like: South Florida, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
 
Exit 4 said:
So Fox are supporting the FSU exit?
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According to Greg Flugaur, this is the order FOX prefers expansion candidates:

1. Notre Dame
2. North Carolina
3. Florida State
4. Miami

If Florida State became available, they would be #19. That means #20 goes to Notre Dame if ND wanted it. If not, UNC would have next selection, and if UNC didn't want it, it would go to Miami.

I don't think there is any scenario where the B1G would have to go any further down the list than that.

Notre Dame could insist on independence
UNC could go with the SEC (and Flugaur insists that the current UNC administration prefers the SEC)
But I don't see Miami in any way, shape or form turning down a B1G invite.

His sources also say that FSU wants in the B1G.

So the likely outcome here is FSU #19 and then either Notre Dame joins at #20 or Miami does, as UNC appears set on the SEC.
 
Eavesdrop said:
I don't find this rumor nor its original source (Jim Williams) to be credible. But, like most of you, I do believe more realignment is inevitable.

I'm not a UConn alum nor a longtime fan. I do have an interest. I have lived in the state since 2017. My daughter is UConn student. And my son is graduating high school in June and will matriculate next fall. As an interested and sympathetic observer, the the topic of this thread and the variety of comments within it made me curious what UConn alums and fans would prefer if given a choice.

1) Stay in the Big East.

2) Join an ACC that included something like: South Florida, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
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2 is still the correct answer: Syracuse, Boston College & Pitt gives you the historical tie for Big East nostalgists. Louisville & South Florida were even in the conference as long as Marquette & DePaul; Virginia Tech was even a Big East hoops member a few years. You then add Duke to give you another marquee program. You solve the football problem. The money would be larger... it's a no brain decision that if your option was to be part of that 16 team league or remaining in the Big East, you join the ACC leftovers.
 
Eavesdrop said:
I don't find this rumor nor its original source (Jim Williams) to be credible. But, like most of you, I do believe more realignment is inevitable.

I'm not a UConn alum nor a longtime fan. I do have an interest. I have lived in the state since 2017. My daughter is UConn student. And my son is graduating high school in June and will matriculate next fall. As an interested and sympathetic observer, the the topic of this thread and the variety of comments within it made me curious what UConn alums and fans would prefer if given a choice.

1) Stay in the Big East.

2) Join an ACC that included something like: South Florida, Tulane, Georgia Tech, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, SMU, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State and Washington State.
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Without hesitation, the answer would clearly be to matriculate from the Big East to the New ACC which would be a mix of the Old Big East Football programs, the PAC 12, and the ACC detritus.
 
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