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A Nova proposal for UConn to the Big East

huskyrob1 said:
Oh no, please stop putting words in my mouth. I never said endowments track the S&P or that the University should liquidate. Is there a correlation with the S&P yes absolutely, but directly tracking the S&P, no. Endowment funds are diversified into the bond market as well as stocks and hi paying stock dividends, there is usually a small investment in swaps to help during financial down times, and other investments into real estate, and precious metals round things out. A good money manager of a large endowment fund very rarely will liquidate holdings because of market fluctuations. There is a big difference between investing and trading.
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I don't know what you are saying here re: liquidation but I think it is beyond the point I was trying to make. If the unrestricted endowment inflows does not exceed the annual funding needs of the university, the net endowment flows are negative yoy. Thus the drawdown of the endowment over this period that is barely offset by annual ROI.
 
auggie22 said:
I don't know what you are saying here re: liquidation but I think it is beyond the point I was trying to make. If the unrestricted endowment inflows does not exceed the annual funding needs of the university, the net endowment flows are negative yoy. Thus the drawdown of the endowment over this period that is barely offset by annual ROI.
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Whatever you say.
 
Zissou said:
Does Nova have the money? Yes.

Nova is in the midst of a funding campaign that has so far brought in over $620M. Nova's endowment is greater than UConn's. Overall Nova is probably in better shape financially to fund a team than UConn, and we don't use public funding to do it.

Nova spends on football at the top end of FCS.

The top FCS football spenders:
W&M $9.9M
JMU $8.2
Nova $6.6
Fordham $6.5
Delaware $6.5

For Nova, this is before any allocation of West End Zone project (just completed new facility) expenses to football.

The bottom 4 spenders in the AAC are between $11 and $12M

MAC teams spend between $5.5 to $8.3M

UConn football spending was $14.4M from this same data set.


Is Nova serious? Not as serious as it needs to be.

Nova does not have great leadership when it comes to athletics. Nova struggles with its vision. It is slow to react, slow to adapt, and slow to make decisions. It is clumsy and plodding. Nova's slow acceptance of the invite to step up in football from the old Big East was a contributing factor to the timing of the oBE collapse. It is why we are where we are today, which is high spending (likely $7-$10M currently) without hardly any return, and worse - low interest in the FCS product. A key positive is that the football program is very good at the FCS level and we would only be a little more depth and size away from being AAC competitive.

Nova did finally put together a credible plan for home games, but it is sitting on the shelf. Nova would play most of its home games in nearby Talon Energy Stadium, home of the Philadelphia Union soccer. Nova could play maybe 1 or 2 at the Linc, home of the Eagles and Temple.

Nova would need to spend about $3M to $6M more per year for FBS. In return we would hope to get some revenue from TV and increased attendance.

Right now Nova spends $7 to $10M per year on football and has almost no return, and has no chance at revenue. If Nova spends $10-$15M per year for FBS, over time it could hope for $5M++ in TV money, attendance revenue, and it will actually get benefits that are possible with a FBS program: alumni engagement and national exposure.

Nova is #50 in the US News ranking.

As Nova does not need to build a stadium, the increased costs are modest and manageable in the context of Nova's overall endowment and spending, and costs will be offset by increased revenue.
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If I recall, Temple has exclusive rights to the Linc for Saturdays in the fall (if not for any collegiate football games). Temple would not consider allowing Nova to use the Linc. I don't think the Eagles would consider it either...
 
templefan1 said:
If I recall, Temple has exclusive rights to the Linc for Saturdays in the fall (if not for any collegiate football games). Temple would not consider allowing Nova to use the Linc. I don't think the Eagles would consider it either...
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Temple's contract runs out after this season, then Temple has a contract option on the Linc valid through 2 more seasons, no?

Nova - Temple will play at the Linc this year and again next year.
 
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Bobol said:
Hey Zissou....

My one minute google search Failed to find any link to confirm you statement offered as fact that the are plans to expand Talen Stadium, much less expand it in the foreseeable future.

Please provide a citation to confirm the statement you offered as fact regarding plans to expand Talen.
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I still don't see how 3500 undergrad Villanova students even help (they have only 7000 total) fill 30,000 seats in Talen? UCONN will get it's own on campus stadium before that happens. Lol
 
huskyrob1 said:
I still don't see how 3500 undergrad Villanova students even help (they have only 7000 total) fill 30,000 seats in Talen? UConn will get it's own on campus stadium before that happens. Lol
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Nova has more undergrads than your conference mate Tulsa, and the same as SMU. Just smaller than Tulane. Generally a stadium capacity is multiples of the student attendance.
 
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Seems to fit the situation...

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Zissou said:
Nova has more undergrads than your conference mate Tulsa, and the same as SMU. Just smaller than Tulane. Generally a stadium capacity is multiples of the student attendance.
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And how many UConn fans (or AAC fans not at SMU, Tulsa or Tulane) want those schools in their conference?
 
Zissou said:
Then come to the Big East!
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Zissou....I love ya man....you are southern in your soul..LOL

So very 1950's southern. Right out of the sweltering heat of the white tents pitched in a weedy roadside lot for a week before hitting the next town on the circuit. The preacher, in his sweat soaked white shirt with the sleeves rolled up, with fiery red face and a whiskey hoarse voice, railing against the evils of false prophets.

"My dear brethren. We know of the false prophets from the west. Close your ears to their siren song. They do not acknowledge God's chosen people and are the voice of the Chaldeans and the Amorites.

As it is written in Numbers, "Now those who camp on the east side toward the sunrise shall be of the standard of the camp of Judah, by their armies, and the leaders of the sons of Judah.."

"Boom...Boom...put a nickel in the drum and you'll be saved".
 
dayooper said:
So UConn can keep their football with SMU, Tulsa and Tulane?
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Unless you have better options. If I'm a Husky, my dream priority list would be
1) B1G invite.
2) ACC invite.
3) B12 invite. This one isn't great, the future is more uncertain, but it's P5.
4) Big East Basketball, AAC Football. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
5) Big East Basketball, Football Independent. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
6) AAC all, hope that the conference builds in stature and gets a real TV contract. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
 
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The Alliance – 2016-17 Sagarin
JMU: #33
Temple: #43
Navy: #61
Army: #87
Nova: #106
Cincinnati: #117
UConn: #154
Delaware: #181

Of course, the FCS schools are ranked head to head against the FBS schools without any curve for fewer resources. They have not had the benefit of being in a former BCS structure or a current G5. They would likely improve with the resources. And we would expect Cincy and UConn to bounce back from their current levels.
 
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Zissou said:
Unless you have better options. If I'm a Husky, my dream priority list would be
1) B1G invite.
2) ACC invite.
3) B12 invite. This one isn't great, the future is more uncertain, but it's P5.
4) Big East Basketball, AAC Football. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
5) Big East Basketball, Football Independent. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
6) AAC all, hope that the conference builds in stature and gets a real TV contract. Keep praying for 1, 2, or 3.
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I agree with this list to an extent. While I believe that a Big East/ AAC hybrid is acceptable, it's not realistic. I don't understand why the AAC would go for it. You are taking what's best of UConn and taking it away. Going independent would destroy the football team, though. Not sure if that's in the cards.
 
Zissou said:
The Alliance – 2016-17 Sagarin
JMU: #33
Temple: #43
Navy: #61
Army: #87
Nova: #106
Cincinnati: #117
UConn: #154
Delaware: #181

Of course, the FCS schools are ranked head to head against the FBS schools without any curve for fewer resources. They have not had the benefit of being in a former BCS structure or a current G5. They would likely improve with the resources. And we would expect Cincy and UConn to bounce back from their current levels.
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Those numbers are great, but they don't sell seats and advertising. That's what this is all about. It's not about Sangrin rankings or even win loss records. It's about money and exposure and I'm not sure that JMU, Villanova football and Deleware help with that. If the AAC wants to be considered in the same breath as the the P5, adding projects won't help.
 
billybud said:
Zissou....I love ya man....you are southern in your soul..LOL

So very 1950's southern. Right out of the sweltering heat of the white tents pitched in a weedy roadside lot for a week before hitting the next town on the circuit. The preacher, in his sweat soaked white shirt with the sleeves rolled up, with fiery red face and a whiskey hoarse voice, railing against the evils of false prophets.

"My dear brethren. We know of the false prophets from the west. Close your ears to their siren song. They do not acknowledge God's chosen people and are the voice of the Chaldeans and the Amorites.

As it is written in Numbers, "Now those who camp on the east side toward the sunrise shall be of the standard of the camp of Judah, by their armies, and the leaders of the sons of Judah.."

"Boom...Boom...put a nickel in the drum and you'll be saved".
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Never a good sign when visiting fans start talking to each other about topics the rest of us are done with.
 
dayooper said:
Those numbers are great, but they don't sell seats and advertising. That's what this is all about. It's not about Sangrin rankings or even win loss records. It's about money and exposure and I'm not sure that JMU, Villanova football and Deleware help with that. If the AAC wants to be considered in the same breath as the the P5, adding projects won't help.
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I agree it's not all about Sagarin or Win/Loss. UConn proved that in 2011 when it was left out of P5 CR with great football and basketball teams. Money and exposure comes from interest and rivalries. UConn doesn't get that from C-USA partners. The scatter conference doesn't work well. Shared regions develops rivalries.

I was concerned that the MSG BET would be less without UConn and Cuse. The last few years have been surprisingly great. That said, I think the Big East would be better with UConn.
 
dayooper said:
I agree with this list to an extent. While I believe that a Big East/ AAC hybrid is acceptable, it's not realistic. I don't understand why the AAC would go for it.
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If UConn committed to the Big East and accepted they had 2 paths for football, it would be up to the AAC to determine the football outcome. If the AAC keeps UConn football, it keeps stability on the football side, which they value 80% / 20% over basketball. If they tell UConn to take off, they risk a competitive move in the northeast / mid Atlantic that might end up being more attractive to Temple, Cincy, and Navy.

While those uncertainties play out, UConn doubles its TV money. I think the AAC works out a reasonable deal with UConn football.
 
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Zissou said:
If UConn committed to the Big East and accepted they had 2 paths for football, it would be up to the AAC to determine the football outcome. If the AAC keeps UConn football, it keeps stability on the football side, which they value 80% / 20% over basketball. If they tell UConn to take off, they risk a competitive move in the northeast / mid Atlantic that might end up being more attractive to Temple, Cincy, and Navy.

While those uncertainties play out, UConn doubles its TV money. I think the AAC works out a reasonable deal with UConn football.
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Why would the AAC work something out? They are the clear #6 football conference with no other even close. The only one close is the MWC and they are too far away geographically to be concerned about the NE. Conference USA? The MAC? They don't even register on the media outlets (and I am a MAC fan). I just don't see the AAC's interest in keeping UConn football if their basketball team leaves.
 
dayooper said:
Why would the AAC work something out? They are the clear #6 football conference with no other even close. The only one close is the MWC and they are too far away geographically to be concerned about the NE. Conference USA? The MAC? They don't even register on the media outlets (and I am a MAC fan). I just don't see the AAC's interest in keeping UConn football if their basketball team leaves.
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#6 is worth $2M a year. The AAC didn't have a team in the final top 25 (Sagarin). The AAC has good programs and promise. Today, it is what it is. It's a poor conference for rivalries, for UConn anyway.
 
Zissou said:
#6 is worth $2M a year. The AAC didn't have a team in the final top 25 (Sagarin). The AAC has good programs and promise. Today, it is what it is. It's a poor conference for rivalries, for UConn anyway.
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So being a poor conference for UConn rivalries means they will work a deal to keep UConn football in? Still didn't answer the question. Why would the AAC want to keep UConn football without it's basketball?
 
The proposal benefits UConn, the Big East, and even the AAC
  • UConn moves basketball to a Top 3 conference.
  • The Big East gains a marquee hoops program in the NYC to Boston footprint.
  • The AAC strengthens its DC/Va market to Boston market footprint.
  • In the AAC 14 school format, cross division play is reduced, and with it travel is reduced and more regional rivalries are supported. A conference championship assures that the top programs meet and have their best chance for a CFP bid.

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Strengthening the footprint over the DC to Boston corridor is a unique opportunity.
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