2020-21 Transfer thread

[Floridaduck]

Doesn't quite belong here I guess, but Jasmine Simmons is leaving Oregon St. and returning to Australia. I thought she was a big pickup for them, but just never really developed during her 3 years at OSU.

No hint of this yet but wondering about Oregon’s Aussie Jaz Shelley taking that path with Paopao seeming to have locked down the PG position. Ducks have lost a couple of Aussies in the past couple of years that way.

 

[Geew1992]

Vol nation is saying Zay Green is in the portal

 

[Dwilliams02]

Vol nation is saying Zay Green is in the portal

Someone said that on Twitter because they didn't see her on the sidelines. She may have been ill. But idk if it's credible

 

[cancontent]

Thanks. I say minor because I'm literally not impacted by this at all other than as a fan. I will still be one and goodness knows I spend too much time thinking about it sometimes but I was pondering last night while watching Zona and A&M just how many of those ladies started at other programs then pondered how many are already in the portal for this year and we aren't even finished with the tournament or a typical college semester.

This is topic I've had with friends who follow or have kids playing for teams for some time, especially with the new transfer rule pending. It's definitely on the minds of a lot of people regardless if they're fans or more involved because their kids are playing.

The level of basketball we've seen this tournament has been impressive. I think it's showing that teams can succeed both ways. Some of the Elite 8 teams will be there thanks to players transferring, while others because of their players developing within the programs they committed to. Hopefully things calm down over the next year or so.

 

[southie]

Vol nation is saying Zay Green is in the portal

Don't remember the last time I saw her play this season at A&M. As someone else said, perhaps it is injury-related.

Guessing she would be a grad-transfer, but not positive.

 

[CBus13]

Don't remember the last time I saw her play this season at A&M. As someone else said, perhaps it is injury-related.

Guessing she would be a grad-transfer, but not positive.

She played about 3 minutes in their game against Iowa State and 15 minutes against Troy. So, if it was injury related, it happened in the last four days. I don't know why that would remove her from the bench, though.

 

[nwhoopfan]

At the risk of sounding bitter, cynical, or even late to the party I am ready to call the transfer portal what it is: free agency.

I've thought of it that way for quite a while. The situation is approaching ludicrous now with all the players entering the portal.

 

[southie]

I think many folks want to believe that prior to the creation of the transfer portal in October 2018, the really good players were staying put because they were "happy". In reality, most were probably staying put because their head coaches were making it very difficult for them to transfer since they wouldn't grant them a full release, or wanted to put conditions on their release (such as which schools they would not be allowed to transfer to).

The portal is working, IMO. Coaches should not hold all the power. Player should be able to move on as they see fit.

As for immediate eligibility, that's a separate issue. When the portal was created, there was no immediate eligibility in the main sports.

 

[CocoHusky]

Just some minor rants from a middle aged guy who liked all college sports more when there was more loyalty to a program or school (that goes for the coaches as well).

I too wish there was more loyalty in college sports and in society in general. I do prefer this uniform system where 1st time transfers do not have to sit as opposed to the prior schizophrenic waiver application process. If I remember correctly you may as well.

 

[willtalk]

I feel the NCAA created this problem with their rediculous and inconsistent transfer and eligibility rulings. They failed to see that the aganda for players playing college ball had changed from just being a means to gst a scholarship to one where they are using it to get ready for a professional career. What is happening now is just a consequence of their entirely too redgid standards. Had they had a more reasonable standard to begin with it would not have created the open the flood gate reaction that we have now.

I personally believe that they really relaxed the standards because they were afraid someone would take them to court. I personally don't like the way it seems to have headed. It is not really in anyones long term best interests. They should have corrected their past policies with something more reasonable, such as allowing everyone a free transfer after their freshman year. Or say giving everyone on free transfer.Or even more important holding those that made decisions accountable for their rationals.

 

[TC22]

This pandemic has caused some of this portal hysteria too and I would imagine it will continue a couple of years, though maybe not at this rate. Players have committed for next year without getting official visits. Since this is a free year and all players aren't going to be drafted it would be smart to stay in school another year and get free education. If this many athletes are using their one FREE transfer this year they no longer have that free "pass" to move on. I agree though it's like free agency. Then wait until they do the NIL thing. Don't you think players are going to want to go to schools where WBB is important? I would think that would favor places like UConn, SC, Baylor, Louisville, etc. If your school doesn't value WBB it makes sense that there's not going to be a lot of value in your services. Just some random thoughts on all that's going on.

 

[UcMiami]

I think this year is going to be (and likely the next three as well) anomalous because of the fifth year option on eligibility. That is going to inflate the grad xfer numbers in part because of players who want a free year of a masters program that isn't available at their current school. And in part because I suspect some coaches will encourage a fourth year recruit to look elsewhere for their fifth year.

I don't know what previous years have been like but at the moment 33% of the transfers are grad xfer and I suspect a large percentage of them have used 4 years of eligibility already and would not be eligible in any prior year. Paging through Raoul's list there are schools with 4 or 5 grad xfers in the portal.

Also around 80% of the transfer locations already identified are going to non-P5 schools and 85% of those transferring so far are from non-P5 programs. I am not sure this indicates any significant change at the top of the women's basketball hierarchy.

 

[ochoopsfan]

I wonder what the stats are for girls who go into the transfer portal and dont hook on with another team at D1, or D2, D3, or NAIA. It seems we see more going in than coming out. Maybe its my perception. Does Raoul ever post stats like that?

 

[Vowelguy]

Remember that the next couple of years are going to be outliers -- all the players have effectively been granted a fifth year. They play 4 years, complete their degree, and then know they can go almost anywhere, play immediately, and get a free year of grad school. Gonna be hard to pass up.

 

[Vowelguy]

One for Tonya

 

[CocoHusky]

Remember that the next couple of years are going to be outliers -- all the players have effectively been granted a fifth year. They play 4 years, complete their degree, and then know they can go almost anywhere, play immediately, and get a free year of grad school. Gonna be hard to pass up.

Keep in mind that no school is under any obligation to give out a scholarship to returning players. As we begin to emerge from COVID many companies and Universities will face the reality of shrinking budgets.

 

[nwhoopfan]

I wonder what the stats are for girls who go into the transfer portal and dont hook on with another team at D1, or D2, D3, or NAIA. It seems we see more going in than coming out. Maybe its my perception. Does Raoul ever post stats like that?

I kinda wonder about that too. It's like musical chairs. Gotta scramble to find a seat when the music stops.

 

[UcMiami]

I wonder what the stats are for girls who go into the transfer portal and dont hook on with another team at D1, or D2, D3, or NAIA. It seems we see more going in than coming out. Maybe its my perception. Does Raoul ever post stats like that?

If you look at his list he seems to be conscientious in adding a 'to' school. Does he miss some? I am sure he does, but he has information already on near 100.

And yeah, I bet there are some that do not end up picking up a scholarship.

 

[baggerbob]

If you look at his list he seems to be conscientious in adding a 'to' school. Does he miss some? I am sure he does, but he has information already on near 100.

And yeah, I bet there are some that do not end up picking up a scholarship.

That might be a problem in both basketball and football. Players might put their name in the portal, the school might fill their spot with a transfer. Then they have to find a spot. Some players are going to be out in the cold. They might end up dropping down a division.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I think many folks want to believe that prior to the creation of the transfer portal in October 2018, the really good players were staying put because they were "happy". In reality, most were probably staying put because their head coaches were making it very difficult for them to transfer since they wouldn't grant them a full release, or wanted to put conditions on their release (such as which schools they would not be allowed to transfer to).

The portal is working, IMO. Coaches should not hold all the power. Player should be able to move on as they see fit.

As for immediate eligibility, that's a separate issue. When the portal was created, there was no immediate eligibility in the main sports.

Transfers should be free of any coach or school or conference discretion but players should have to sit out a season.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Keep in mind that no school is under any obligation to give out a scholarship to returning players. As we begin to emerge from COVID many companies and Universities will face the reality of shrinking budgets.

Not quite accurate. Lots of schools and perhaps leagues have committed to four year promises.

 

[donalddoowop]

Transfers should be free of any coach or school or conference discretion but players should have to sit out a season.

No. Coaches don't.

 

[southie]

Transfers should be free of any coach or school or conference discretion but players should have to sit out a season.

I think there should be exceptions, such as when there is a coaching change.

 

[MSSportsGuy]

Transfers should be free of any coach or school or conference discretion but players should have to sit out a season.

This. I don’t think a transfer should be blocked but I suspect if eligibility wasn’t immediate then far fewer players would transfer.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

This. I don’t think a transfer should be blocked but I suspect if eligibility wasn’t immediate then far fewer players would transfer.

I think it's a reasonable concession to the schools and stability of the game and yeah academics to have a one year sit out.

Maybe make the transfers after the first one free. Keep the free grad transfer.

Coaching change free transfer is fine too. I guess.

 

[CocoHusky]

Not quite accurate. Lots of schools and perhaps leagues have committed to four year promises.

Absolutely accurate: Despite the NCAA permitting 4 year scholarships since 2012 FOUR year scholarships are not the norm across the NCAA institutions with the exception being a few powerhouse football programs.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Absolutely accurate: Despite the NCAA permitting 4 year scholarships since 2012 FOUR year scholarships are not the norm across the NCAA institutions with the exception being a few powerhouse football programs.

South Carolina has had it since 2014 and I think it's pretty standard in the SEC, but I could be mistaken.

So not quite accurate is fair, imo.

 

[MSSportsGuy]

I think many folks want to believe that prior to the creation of the transfer portal in October 2018, the really good players were staying put because they were "happy". In reality, most were probably staying put because their head coaches were making it very difficult for them to transfer since they wouldn't grant them a full release, or wanted to put conditions on their release (such as which schools they would not be allowed to transfer to).

The portal is working, IMO. Coaches should not hold all the power. Player should be able to move on as they see fit.

As for immediate eligibility, that's a separate issue. When the portal was created, there was no immediate eligibility in the main sports.

I disagree that most of the good players stayed at their schools because coaches made it very difficult to leave. No doubt it happened but if top players were trapped by coaches it wouldn't take long for word to get out and that coach would find themselves struggling to recruit those top players in the first place. I have no doubt some were but to say most would be a stretch.

I've not been shy about disliking immediate eligibility and feel there would be fewer players in the portal if that was taken out of the equation. Again, just my two cents.

 

[bballnut90]

Transfers should be free of any coach or school or conference discretion but players should have to sit out a season.

Why should women's basketball transfers be held to a higher standard than general students or vast majority of student athletes who don't have to sit out for a year if they transfer? What's the good of making them sit out for a year? To punish them for leaving a situation they feel isn't right for them? Players are still transferring in waves whether they have to sit out for a year or not which tells me the 1 year break isn't seen as a deterrent by most. Might as well let them find a school where they'll have a better experience as a student athlete than penalize them for it.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Why should women's basketball transfers be held to a higher standard than general students or vast majority of student athletes who don't have to sit out for a year if they transfer? What's the good of making them sit out for a year? To punish them for leaving a situation they feel isn't right for them? Players are still transferring in waves whether they have to sit out for a year or not which tells me the 1 year break isn't seen as a deterrent by most. Might as well let them find a school where they'll have a better experience as a student athlete then penalize them for it.

Because we should all be adults and understand that there is a difference between student-athletes and students.