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nwhoopfan said:
Huh? Not that she was contributing much, but unless they signed someone else doesn't that leave them with only Shook as a post until Howard returns? What the heck are they thinking?
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Here's a story that addresses just that:
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Thanks @Dillon77 . I forgot about Gray. Sounds like the Lib does have a plan. Also sounds like they gave Stokes a chance, and she just wasn't fitting into what they were trying to do, both offensively and defensively.
 
Sparks, Liberty, and Fever have people in their front office that have no idea what they’re doing. Like Bria Holmes waive by the sparks and Cox by the Fever. I just don’t get it.
 
I would not put the Liberty in the same boat as the Fever or Sparks. The Liberty were awful last year and completely remade their roster, grabbing Howard, Whitcomb, and Laney in the off season, then drafting the likely ROY in Onyenwere.
 
bbsamjj said:
Jonquel Jones is just so good. I believe she only missed 5 games for the Sun, which I think is a small enough # that she should still be in MVP contention.
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If MVP means most valuable to her team, the following W-L records speak for themselves:

With JJ in the lineup : 9-2 (both losses in overtime)
Without JJ : 2-3
 
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ed4ourgirls said:
If MVP means most valuable to her team, the following W-L records speak for themselves:

With JJ in the lineup : 9-2 (both losses in overtime)
Without JJ : 2-3
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Well by that logic, clearly Parker is the MVP. Sky is 8-1 with her, 1-7 without.

I don't really think Parker is the MVP by the way. Any team is going to be not as good without a star player, especially initially as they try to adjust. I'd say the Sun kept their head above water w/out JJ anyway.

Take away Tina Charles and how bad would the Mystics be?
 
Sloot w/ another double double, 10 pts/12 assists. Her average keeps creeping up, 8.7 apg now. Sky beat the Wings.
 
BG 10-10 in first half. Maybe 8 of them are mid range jumpers. Still MInn up 45-44 at half.
 
Aces thumped the Sparks. Zahui B. had herself a game, but not enough help. The guards were scoring, but not shooting a high percentage.


I know I'm biased. It seems like every Aces game I watch, they start off the game dinking around. They either fall behind, or trade buckets. Midway or more thru the first quarter Plum comes in off the bench, and suddenly things starting going better. Sometimes she starts scoring right away, sometimes she doesn't, but they just seem to play better when she's on the floor. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Definitely happened tonight. Zahui got off to a red hot start, LA had a bit of a lead. Yo yo-ed back and forth. Plum comes in, they end the quarter up 9 (and I think Hamby has to get some credit for the same phenomenon). From there it was pretty much a laugher.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Aces thumped the Sparks. Zahui B. had herself a game, but not enough help. The guards were scoring, but not shooting a high percentage.


I know I'm biased. It seems like every Aces game I watch, they start off the game dinking around. They either fall behind, or trade buckets. Midway or more thru the first quarter Plum comes in off the bench, and suddenly things starting going better. Sometimes she starts scoring right away, sometimes she doesn't, but they just seem to play better when she's on the floor. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Definitely happened tonight. Zahui got off to a red hot start, LA had a bit of a lead. Yo yo-ed back and forth. Plum comes in, they end the quarter up 9 (and I think Hamby has to get some credit for the same phenomenon). From there it was pretty much a laugher.
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Plum and Hamby are two really great subs off of the bench. Personally, I think Plum should start over William's for the Aces. And moving Jackie Young off the point was a good move. If Angel never got injured I think it would have been Gray, Young, and Angel. The Aces coach told Jackie last year that she was going to be better off of the bench because she would run the second unit. I'm thinking that the WNBA is so feel that some coaches are thinking that way. Maybe Lambeer thinks Plum can really help the second unit and just continue the offensive pressure. Also, I have no clue... I can't explain him not starting her. It should be Gray, Young, and Plum. I hope they continue to improve. I'm going to be in Vegas soon, so I hope to catch a game.
 
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Reypl21 said:
Plum and Hamby are two really great subs off of the bench. Personally, I think Plum should start over William's for the Aces. And moving Jackie Young off the point was a good move. If Angel never got injured I think it would have been Gray, Young, and Angel. The Aces coach told Jackie last year that she was going to be better off of the bench because she would run the second unit. I'm thinking that the WNBA is so feel that some coaches are thinking that way. Maybe Lambeer thinks Plum can really help the second unit and just continue the offensive pressure. Also, I have no clue... I can't explain him not starting her. It should be Gray, Young, and Plum. I hope they continue to improve. I'm going to be in Vegas soon, so I hope to catch a game.
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Young is best doing what she's doing right now: a 3 who can also play the 2 and, in a pinch, bring the ball up when necessary. She rebounds well, can defend and is exceedingly athletic. ND went to two championships using her in this capacity and, not suprisingly,she's having her best pro season playing the 3. Leave her there. Some kind of decision could/should be made when Angel comes back....

Plum, given Gray's presence, is really playing off-ball except when ISO's are called. Laimbeer doesn't seem to be hung up whether she starts or not. Just as along as she knows her role and gets the minutes that matter to the team, I'm not hung up on either. (This is, as opposed to Vickie Johnson's rotation, where everyone seems to expand and contract depending on their shift.)
 
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Dillon77 said:
Plum, given Gray's presence, is really playing off-ball except when ISO's are called.
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To my eye, Plum is handling PG duties fairly regularly when she's on the floor w/ Gray.
 
nwhoopfan said:
To my eye, Plum is handling PG duties fairly regularly when she's on the floor w/ Gray.
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Gray was brought aboard by Laimbeer to be the main PG. However, Gray and Plum (and even Young when need be) can handle setting up certain sets, particulary if an ISO is called for. BTW, I know you're partial to Plum and I'm not dissing her by any means. Laimbeer has a strange habit of doubling down on positions that have #1 picks that I think slow down individual -- and by practice, team -- growth. Creates some clusterf%*k situations to my way of thinking. (See Angel, Jackie). If Plum and Gray can work it out, fine.

BTW, You sometimes do this thing with your adverbs ( the use of "ly's") that make it hard to pin down (and/or give you some wiggle room ;) ).
 
Dillon77 said:
BTW, You sometimes do this thing with your adverbs ( the use of "ly's") that make it hard to pin down (and/or give you some wiggle room ;) ).
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Who wants to be be pinned down? :rolleyes:
 
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BTW the stars were out in La La Land for the game--LeBron, DWade and Dame were all in the house.
 
Touche...take that 40-60 "gray" area and meander with it! ;) :D
 
eebmg said:
BG 10-10 in first half. Maybe 8 of them are mid range jumpers. Still MInn up 45-44 at half.
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Could not see most of the second half because of network difficulties. They did not fix hem before the game ended.
 
nwhoopfan said:
To my eye, Plum is handling PG duties fairly regularly when she's on the floor w/ Gray.
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I personally love a two-point-guard lineup. Plum and Gray are both good passers with great court vision, but both can be ball-dominant perhaps to a fault. Having both on the floor at once opens up options and keeps the ball from getting stuck.
 
nwhoopfan said:
I know I'm biased. It seems like every Aces game I watch, they start off the game dinking around. They either fall behind, or trade buckets. Midway or more thru the first quarter Plum comes in off the bench, and suddenly things starting going better. Sometimes she starts scoring right away, sometimes she doesn't, but they just seem to play better when she's on the floor. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Definitely happened tonight. Zahui got off to a red hot start, LA had a bit of a lead. Yo yo-ed back and forth. Plum comes in, they end the quarter up 9 (and I think Hamby has to get some credit for the same phenomenon). From there it was pretty much a laugher.
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Who's this Plum player? Never heard of her. :rolleyes:
 
Without Nneka, I don't think any of the Sparks starters (Zahui B, Coffey, Wheeler, Cooper, Toliver/Sykes) are better than the Aces' two best bench players: Plum and Hamby.
 
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Fever fought hard to come back from a 18 point deficit at half but fell short

Man, Brionna Jones is a beast. I remember from her MD college days, no one could give Stewie fits like her.
 
Sun barely beat the Fever, w/ Brionna doing most of the heavy lifting? Jonquel might have to give back that MVP trophy. Oh wait, she hasn't quite gotten it yet.
 
I would expect the Sun were not exactly "up" for this game, particularly after building a big first half lead. Reminder--the Storm lost to the Fever last year.
 
bbsamjj said:
I would expect the Sun were not exactly "up" for this game, particularly after building a big first half lead. Reminder--the Storm lost to the Fever last year.
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The Storm have also struggled all 3 times they played the Fever this year, but finally put them away in Q4. Sun did the opposite, had a huge halftime lead and then tried to give it all away. Somehow the Fever can be competitive against the best teams, but get blown out by most of the mediocre teams? Makes no sense.
 
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