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azfan said:
Wasn't sure where to post this and didn't want to start another thread.

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Sky forward Angel Reese: 'The WNBA don't pay my bills'

Sky forward Angel Reese says her $73,439 annual salary from the WNBA is just a small portion of her income.
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Very common attitude among immature and younger professional athletes regardless of the sport.

If I'm not mistaken Angel is 22 or 23. Same age as my youngest granddaughter. The WNBA salary that Angel is earning would easily pay all the bills for my granddaughter who just graduated from college and is way above the excellent salary she is currently earning as a newly minted college grad.

Now there are a number of issues embedded in Angel's observation or complaint depending on how you would classify her position on her current salary.

I'm reminded of the misconception about public school teachers whose contract of 180 days of instruction usually encompasses 8.5 - 9 months.

Like Angel, rhey are not underpaid by any stretch of the imagination and if you compare and annualize that income to a comparable worker in the US, a college graduate with years of experience they're doing fine and above mean and. median salary

As I head door to help my high school speech and debate team for a speech tournament this weekend I know that the coach who is a comment teacher works extraordinary hard. He is a master's holder with 15 years experience and since the salary schedule is public information I was able to look it up. His base salary of $80,000 is supplemented by his $3,000 stipend for coaching speech today, $3,000 stipend for coaching drama, $5,000 stipend them for acting as department chair. Our high school is on a modified year round schedule and he has a total of 14 weeks off per year.

Oh, he also has a defined benefit retirement plan which no longer exists in the private sector and is a tremendous benefit particularly as one approaches those golden years.

The vast majority of workers would have Masters degree and 15 years worth of experience would take that deal in a New York minute.

Back to Angel. Most female basketball players would take her deal in a New York minute.
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It may be a good salary for someone like your daughter but Reese also has other expenses like agents, trainers, etc., that need to be factored in her situation. Not to mention, the cost of living in Chicago could be very different compared to where you live.

And nowadays that salary doesn't go as far as some believe. I know for myself, mine is within range of what Reese makes and it doesn't give me as much flexibility as you'd believe once my mortgage, insurance, retirement savings and other expenses are factored.
 
Bigboote said:
My jaw dropped when the article said her WNBA salary doesn’t even cover her rent. Til I saw that she lives in an $8000/mo apartment. The team will put a player up in an apartment rent-free for the season, just not an 8k apartment.
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I just did a quick search and the average rent in Chicago is around $2000/month. With an approximately $70k salary, she could make ends meet but she would have to be extremely frugal and love in an average or less than average rental. We also have to consider her safety as a famous person, so she probably needs to live in a gated community, or somewhere with staffed security where she can feel safe. I doubt she can find those accomodations in the average rental around Chicago but I bet there are many places less than $8k that would meet her needs.

In my perspective, her complaint is both valid and invalid factoring in all the above. Yes, her salary is probably not enough to meet her basic living and safety needs, but $8k is a little excessive and she could probably meet her minimum needs with a less expensive rental.
 
GamecockFam said:
I just did a quick search and the average rent in Chicago is around $2000/month. With an approximately $70k salary, she could make ends meet but she would have to be extremely frugal and love in an average or less than average rental. We also have to consider her safety as a famous person, so she probably needs to live in a gated community, or somewhere with staffed security where she can feel safe. I doubt she can find those accomodations in the average rental around Chicago but I bet there are many places less than $8k that would meet her needs.

In my perspective, her complaint is both valid and invalid factoring in all the above. Yes, her salary is probably not enough to meet her basic living and safety needs, but $8k is a little excessive and she could probably meet her minimum needs with a less expensive rental.
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And are we factoring the costs for athletes associated with being a professional? Agents get a cut of that salary, along with others who may be on staff like security.

I agree that her statement is both valid and invalid, but for us to assume that there aren't other factors in play isn't fair. And if this was enough to survive on, why are these athletes playing in leagues like Unrivaled, Athletes Unlimited or overseas to make a decent living?
 
azfan said:
Wasn't sure where to post this and didn't want to start another thread.

www.espn.com

Sky forward Angel Reese: 'The WNBA don't pay my bills'

Sky forward Angel Reese says her $73,439 annual salary from the WNBA is just a small portion of her income.
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I'm reminded of the misconception about public school teachers whose contract of 180 days of instruction usually encompasses 8.5 - 9 months.

Like Angel, rhey are not underpaid by any stretch of the imagination and if you compare and annualize that income to a comparable worker in the US, a college graduate with years of experience they're doing fine and above mean and. median salary

As I head door to help my high school speech and debate team for a speech tournament this weekend I know that the coach who is a comment teacher works extraordinary hard. He is a master's holder with 15 years experience and since the salary schedule is public information I was able to look it up. His base salary of $80,000 is supplemented by his $3,000 stipend for coaching speech today, $3,000 stipend for coaching drama, $5,000 stipend them for acting as department chair. Our high school is on a modified year round schedule and he has a total of 14 weeks off per year.
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I worked for three years as a high school teacher and that was enough. It was decades ago, but searching the web comes up with a current range of $17,000 - $120,000. This varies by experience, degrees, state and duties of course, but the 90th percentile for all according to ziprecruiter is $71,000.

My first year as a dedicated but inexperienced teacher required 80 hours per week of my time in and out of the classroom. I cut this down to 60 hours per week by year three of being dedicated, though I witnessed a few burned out teachers very experienced but no longer dedicated who probably spent far less.

For the time my pay was less than average despite having a Masters, but even if was average or slightly above I would not have stayed much longer. It was by far the most demanding, stressful and sickness-inducing job I’ve had, ranging from a machinist to GIS Manager. I also taught at the university level, but that was a cakewalk compared to high school teaching.
 
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Wings fire coach Latricia Trammell after two seasons

The Wings have fired coach Latricia Trammell after the team went 9-31 and missed the postseason for the first time since 2020.
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Trammel is now out at Dallas, per EPSN's report.

The coaching carrousel this year is a wild ride. Think this makes it 5 WNBA coaching jobs that are open now.

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12au said:
I don't have an opinion on Trammell, but seems like Greg Bibb is the bigger problem in Dallas. So many odd personnel decisions over the years
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Agreed. I can see TSpoon going there
 
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12au said:
I don't have an opinion on Trammell, but seems like Greg Bibb is the bigger problem in Dallas. So many odd personnel decisions over the years
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Greg Bibb is the major issue in Dallas, as far as I'm concerned, and has been for quite some time. AFter all, he hired all these people.
I did notice, as you probably did, that he's now CEO and President and has kicked himself out of the basketball operations aspect of the job, perhaps to save his skin or realize that he's not cut out for the personnel aspects of running a first-rate hoops program.

Bibb is in the process of hiring a GM, who will -- in turn, according to Bibb -- hire the next coach, so hopefully those two will be in lock-step for next moves. Got to think the first move is to core Satou Sabally; otherwise, just toss the 2025 season out the window.

With Howard (probably) moving on, there will some cash and there are draft choices coming in. Which ones who knows, but they'll have personnel options. The trouble with Bibb is he had this odd habit of stocking at one position, then seemingly not having patience to develop. The Connecticut Sun are probably throwing thank-you kisses still for trading Harris and cutting Burton, both of whom are in the Sun backcourt rotation.

The irony with Trammel was she came in with a defensive reputation and Dallas ended up playing toreador defense. That said, she'll probably get an assistant nod somewhere...gosh knows there's enough openings around the W now.
 
The WNBA players' union has opted out of its collective bargaining agreement, a historic move aimed at securing higher salaries for players amid a record-breaking year for women's basketball.


This is unsurprising given the dynamics of the past season and the rapidly expanding interest in both women's game in general and the WNBA.

The league is still in very very early stages of growth and while the recent 2.2 billion dollar media deal is a step in the right direction the league and the union need work together and be very cognizant that there's a great deal of ground yet to cover for dramatic increases in salary, benefits or changes to working conditions can take place.
 
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cancontent said:


Okay, the WNBA off-season is officially drunk and had an edible.:eek:
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Up to 6 vacancies now. Still wouldn't be shocked if we saw one of Sides or Quinn get canned.
azfan said:
As to coaching turnover I can only hope and pray that will also come to Phoenix.
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I don't see it even though Phoenix was mediocre this year. Ishbia dropping over a million on a new coach only to can him after one season would be an interesting choice.


Hopefully with the league's influx of money we see some better coaches step up to the plate.
 
bballnut90 said:
Up to 6 vacancies now. Still wouldn't be shocked if we saw one of Sides or Quinn get canned.

I don't see it even though Phoenix was mediocre this year. Ishbia dropping over a million on a new coach only to can him after one season would be an interesting choice.


Hopefully with the league's influx of money we see some better coaches step up to the plate.
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With the draft lottery and expansion draft around the corner, how are these teams able to make any decisions?
 
Is this like musical chairs? Is somebody going to get stuck with no viable candidates for their heading coaching job?
 
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bballnut90 said:
Up to 6 vacancies now. Still wouldn't be shocked if we saw one of Sides or Quinn get canned.

I don't see it even though Phoenix was mediocre this year. Ishbia dropping over a million on a new coach only to can him after one season would be an interesting choice.


Hopefully with the league's influx of money we see some better coaches step up to the plate.
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To this point in your reply, the Fever may be in play if this report is accurate. It seems odd that White would be talking with the Fever though. Didn't watch the new GM's press conference. Did she say anything to indicate Sides' job was being reviewed?
 
cancontent said:


To this point in your reply, the Fever may be in play if this report is accurate. It seems odd that White would be talking with the Fever though. Didn't watch the new GM's press conference. Did she say anything to indicate Sides' job was being reviewed?
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I'm surprised info leaked about White being in talks with the Fever. You'd think they'd keep it under wraps publicly while Sides is still the coach. White to the Fever makes too much sense though. She should command a hefty pay day based on Hammon/Tibbetts getting salaries north of $1m, and she's done a terrific job at Connecticut the past 2 years. Fever owners should have money to burn based on their exploding growth with Clark on the roster. Plus White is a former player and coach at the Fever and did a good job in her 2 years there. She's also a bonafide basketball legend in the state of Indiana.
 
cancontent said:


Okay, the WNBA off-season is officially drunk and had an edible.:eek:
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@JellyBean : "Holy smokes! Washington really looking to change. Wow!"

My initial thought to Washington owners: Be careful for what you wish for.
  • You want a whole new slate? Well, is there a general manager that you think can come in and get you where you want to go that is better than Mike Thibault, particularly with the CBA changing next year.
  • Yes and while the team's W-L record was certainly not stellar overall, it had to overcome the EDD situation, a ridiculous amount of injuries and a very youthful squad. Plus, once the team finally got it going this season after that dismal start, they were playing some very good basketball.
  • Plus, player development was and always is a strength of the Thibault family.

Well, the owners have jumped....everyone wants it now since the tide is rising. Who, what and when is waiting to be seen.
Stay tuned.
 
Dillon77 said:
@JellyBean : "Holy smokes! Washington really looking to change. Wow!"

My initial thought to Washington owners: Be careful for what you wish for.
  • You want a whole new slate? Well, is there a general manager that you think can come in and get you where you want to go that is better than Mike Thibault, particularly with the CBA changing next year.
  • Yes and while the team's W-L record was certainly not stellar overall, it had to overcome the EDD situation, a ridiculous amount of injuries and a very youthful squad. Plus, once the team finally got it going this season after that dismal start, they were playing some very good basketball.
  • Plus, player development was and always is a strength of the Thibault family.

Well, the owners have jumped....everyone wants it now since the tide is rising. Who, what and when is waiting to be seen.
Stay tuned.
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This part. Who do these teams think will do a better job? My knowledge of the WNBA market from that perspective sucks, but my initial thought/feeling is that the pool isn't that large.
 
bballnut90 said:
Up to 6 vacancies now. Still wouldn't be shocked if we saw one of Sides or Quinn get canned.

I don't see it even though Phoenix was mediocre this year. Ishbia dropping over a million on a new coach only to can him after one season would be an interesting choice.


Hopefully with the league's influx of money we see some better coaches step up to the plate.
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I agree . . Unfortunately. This time next year I have my fingers crossed there will be changes both with the Mercury and the ASU Sun Devils.

It says something about the culture of an organization that the leaders are unwilling to acknowledge mistakes and move on quickly. Both Phoenix and ASU have deteriorated into extremely dysfunctional and incompetent women's basketball organizations.
 
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Dillon77 said:
@JellyBean : "Holy smokes! Washington really looking to change. Wow!"

My initial thought to Washington owners: Be careful for what you wish for.
  • You want a whole new slate? Well, is there a general manager that you think can come in and get you where you want to go that is better than Mike Thibault, particularly with the CBA changing next year.
  • Yes and while the team's W-L record was certainly not stellar overall, it had to overcome the EDD situation, a ridiculous amount of injuries and a very youthful squad. Plus, once the team finally got it going this season after that dismal start, they were playing some very good basketball.
  • Plus, player development was and always is a strength of the Thibault family.

Well, the owners have jumped....everyone wants it now since the tide is rising. Who, what and when is waiting to be seen.
Stay tuned.
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Wise advice. In Phoenix we still regret the decision to cut Sandy Brondello loose and ultimately to have the million dollar coach Nate instilling a culture of incompetence.

Definitely be very cautious about both your wishes and more importantly the actions based on those delusions.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Is this like musical chairs? Is somebody going to get stuck with no viable candidates for their heading coaching job?
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There are lots of viable candidates. It's unfortunate however that the group think among ownership and GM fails to recognize a relatively long list of exceptionally competent coaches with established track records.
 
azfan said:
There are lots of viable candidates. It's unfortunate however that the group think among ownership and GM fails to recognize a relatively long list of exceptionally competent coaches with established track records.
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For the record, I said my knowledge in that area sucks. I'm willing to note my shortcomings.
 
azfan said:
There are lots of viable candidates. It's unfortunate however that the group think among ownership and GM fails to recognize a relatively long list of exceptionally competent coaches with established track records.
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Do you have a list?

Successful college coach to the WNBA just isn't a thing that happens regularly. NBA assistant to WNBA head coach has had mixed results in recent years. Assistant coach w/ WNBA experience also gets mixed results. There's the always popular retread strategy of hiring a coach let go by somebody else. That's not just a WNBA thing, the NBA and NFL love this approach as well.

Golden State already rolled the dice with trying Nakase as a first time head coach. We'll see how it works.

I see Katie Smith's name get thrown around. Long time assistant...brief DISASTROUS stint as head coach w/ New York. If somebody wants to try again, more power to them.
 
Anyone want to give odds on how many coaches are paid more than the salary cap for players? It would certainly give the players’ union some ammunition if management pleads poverty during CBA negotiations next year. ;)
 
Bigboote said:
Anyone want to give odds on how many coaches are paid more than the salary cap for players? It would certainly give the players’ union some ammunition if management pleads poverty during CBA negotiations next year. ;)
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OTOH, how many coaches can be as gainfully employed with other jobs and NIL in the Off-Season the way the players can? I think the coaches also have more Off-Season responsibilities to their Teams, and most are old enough to have spouses and families, and so can't just hop to Europe on a dime. So I think there are principled reasons the coaches are paid more than the players.
 
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