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Stagnant said:
What’s the best job of those 4? Probably LA.
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Depends. LA has Jackson, Brink and Hamby to build around. Guard play is a question mark. Nurse and Clarendon were the original starters but that didn't pan out in the end. Simms was great when she joined the team in my opinion, but not sure what her situation is after the season ended.

Chicago have Reese and Cardoso in the paint. What happens with Carter and Allen as they seemed to play well together is the question. Add in Elizabeth Williams coming back from injury and you have some decent pieces.

Atlanta has Howard, Gray, Hillmon and Canada who seemed to play well together. Does Tina Charles come back for another season? And can Amihere get a chance to crack the rotation? What happens with Powers as she was injured for the balance of the season? There could be some potential if they find the right coach.
 
cancontent said:
Depends. LA has Jackson, Brink and Hamby to build around. Guard play is a question mark. Nurse and Clarendon were the original starters but that didn't pan out in the end. Simms was great when she joined the team in my opinion, but not sure what her situation is after the season ended.

Chicago have Reese and Cardoso in the paint. What happens with Carter and Allen as they seemed to play well together is the question. Add in Elizabeth Williams coming back from injury and you have some decent pieces.

Atlanta has Howard, Gray, Hillmon and Canada who seemed to play well together. Does Tina Charles come back for another season? And can Amihere get a chance to crack the rotation? What happens with Powers as she was injured for the balance of the season? There could be some potential if they find the right coach.
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Good analysis, but as you stated in another post, there's more to it than that:

  • With LA, will ownership step up to the plate and put the resources (mental, leadership and fiscal) to making this team be premier? Practice facilities?
  • Chicago. Can the GM bring in/keep talent? Will the practice facility be ready by 2026?
  • Atlanta. Ticky tack arena that's out of the way. Is this place going to go prime time?

From an ownership perspective, Golden State might be the best landing spot. Might not win for awhile, but the culture pillars might be right.

Personnel-wise, LA -- they win the PB lottery -- could be in a very good situation.
In Chicago, you need a tough-love teacher (and/or staff). Plus some long-range shooting, who can augment Allen/Carter.
Atlanta? Engage the vets on the team and upgrade the younger players.
 
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Of the three firings in the league this offseason, Wright’s is the one I expected first. She had negative body language on the sidelines and made unprofessional comments putting her players down in postgame interviews. Atlanta already has some major disadvantages compared to the rest of the league with attendance and facilities, the franchise can’t afford to have culture problems too. The team also had offensive struggles despite having a rejuvenated Tina Charles and two of the league’s five best wings in Gray and Howard. Wright is a pretty inexperienced coach having spent just one year with the Aces before Atlanta, it’s very possible she returns as an assistant somewhere and becomes a head coach again down the road and maybe she’ll have better results.

For Atlanta, I think T-Spoon would be a tremendous fit, but as others have pointed out, Chicago’s offensive sets weren’t great and that’s a problem Atlanta already has. I think the Dream’s roster construction is better to work with though, if for no other reason than that there are serviceable guards.
 
id like to see t-spoon in LA... i hope tanisha wright or curt miller do not go to GS.
 
GoChips20 said:
Of the three firings in the league this offseason, Wright’s is the one I expected first. She had negative body language on the sidelines and made unprofessional comments putting her players down in postgame interviews. Atlanta already has some major disadvantages compared to the rest of the league with attendance and facilities, the franchise can’t afford to have culture problems too. The team also had offensive struggles despite having a rejuvenated Tina Charles and two of the league’s five best wings in Gray and Howard. Wright is a pretty inexperienced coach having spent just one year with the Aces before Atlanta, it’s very possible she returns as an assistant somewhere and becomes a head coach again down the road and maybe she’ll have better results.

For Atlanta, I think T-Spoon would be a tremendous fit, but as others have pointed out, Chicago’s offensive sets weren’t great and that’s a problem Atlanta already has. I think the Dream’s roster construction is better to work with though, if for no other reason than that there are serviceable guards.
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Agreed. One question I have is whether the current ownership group were the ones who hired Colleen as well. If so, it's going to be interesting to see which direction they take this time.
 
I may have missed it but I didn't see this posted anywhere and was surprised particularly given a devotion for Gabby.

www.marca.com

Seattle Storm's Gabby Williams leaves WNBA amid Caitlin Clark controversy

Seattle Storm standout Gabby Williams has made headlines for her sudden departure from the WNBA, a decision that comes in the aftermath of a heated exchange involving comments abou
www.marca.com www.marca.com

Love to have more clarity on the Aces situation in which the LV office of tourism attempted to raise all salaries on the team. Seems a huge weakness in the collective bargaining agreement but my bias toward unions may be blinding me to any positives.

As for Gabby's decision and comments she's completely on point.
 
azfan said:
I may have missed it but I didn't see this posted anywhere and was surprised particularly given a devotion for Gabby.

www.marca.com

Seattle Storm's Gabby Williams leaves WNBA amid Caitlin Clark controversy

Seattle Storm standout Gabby Williams has made headlines for her sudden departure from the WNBA, a decision that comes in the aftermath of a heated exchange involving comments abou
www.marca.com www.marca.com

Love to have more clarity on the Aces situation in which the LV office of tourism attempted to raise all salaries on the team. Seems a huge weakness in the collective bargaining agreement but my bias toward unions may be blinding me to any positives.

As for Gabby's decision and comments she's completely on point.
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How are you able to read this? Looks like it's behind a paywall.
 
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azfan said:
I just accessed it off the ESPN app.
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Weird. The link I'm getting from your post isn't ESPN. Instead, it's "marca.com" site and Spanish. Will head to ESPN to see if I can find it. Thanks.
 
cancontent said:
Weird. The link I'm getting from your post isn't ESPN. Instead, it's "marca.com" site and Spanish. Will head to ESPN to see if I can find it. Thanks.
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This link also has coverage of the story . . .
www.dailymail.co.uk

Seattle Storm star quits WNBA in wake of Caitlin Clark comments

Engelbert previously claimed that WNBA players can make up to $700,000 a year, only for Williams to recently insist: 'That's actually not true at all. There's not one player who makes that.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
azfan said:
This link also has coverage of the story . . .
www.dailymail.co.uk

Seattle Storm star quits WNBA in wake of Caitlin Clark comments

Engelbert previously claimed that WNBA players can make up to $700,000 a year, only for Williams to recently insist: 'That's actually not true at all. There's not one player who makes that.'
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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In reading the article, are we sure Williams "quit"? She's gone to play for her Turkish team which was expected. She also has been very direct about how the WNBA has misrepresented potential earnings. This isn't new information. If she decides not to play in the WNBA again, I wouldn't be surprised but there's nothing here saying she's never coming back to the league.

That's what I don't like about some of these articles. Writers take snippets and then turn it into something else to gain more attention. Williams "sensationally" quit. Really? This feels more like a National Enquirer tabloid piece to get clicks and considering how British newspapers handle news, this is par for the course. :confused:
 
Oh, geez, not only didn’t she “quit”, there was no controversy (in the original link, not the later one). Some Clark fans made some comments, hardly a controversy.
 
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Bigboote said:
Oh, geez, not only didn’t she “quit”, there was no controversy (in the original link, not the later one). Some Clark fans made some comments, hardly a controversy.
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Exactly. It's lazy "reporting" as an excuse to include Clark as a talking point when it wasn't necessary. The topic of WNBA salaries is an article to itself if the writer really cared about the topic.
 
This is an outstanding source. And not only because it a completely agrees with my view of the debacle which is the Phoenix Mercury.

The site is in the process of a team by team analysis and I recommend their research and conclusions.

Offseason priorities: Tibbetts was a high-profile hiring when the Mercury brought him across from the NBA ranks, but also an expensive and controversial one. Reportedly the highest-paid coach in the league despite having no experience or connection to the women's game before being hired, there was some backlash from the fans. Given how the 2024 season went, you could certainly argue the hiring didn't work

Could? Time to give the million dollar coach opportunity to spread his defensive philosophy perhaps Chicago or Atlanta.

open.substack.com

2024-25 WNBA Offseason Guides: Phoenix Mercury

The latest installment in our series detailing where WNBA teams stand heading into the upcoming offseason and 2025, this time covering the Phoenix Mercury
open.substack.com open.substack.com
 
cancontent said:


Well, this should make some Fever fans happy. The new president is making her imprint early.
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Amber Cox's resume includes some responsibility for the dumpster fire in Phoenix so I wouldn't get too elated if I were a Fever Fan.
 
The Commissioner misspoke, and Gabby was clarifying things. I'm sure the WNBA wants Gabby back after her success in the Olympics. Note that Gabby is playing in Turkey and no longer France. I think part of the motivation for the change is that the Turkish schedule fits the WNBA schedule and will not create a problem due to the prioritization rule.
 
cancontent said:
Weird. The link I'm getting from your post isn't ESPN. Instead, it's "marca.com" site and Spanish. Will head to ESPN to see if I can find it. Thanks.
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It's a marca.com site for me as well but not behind a paywall and it's in English. You're not missing anything, actually. You can find Gabby's comments elsewhere.
 
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cancontent said:
In reading the article, are we sure Williams "quit"? She's gone to play for her Turkish team which was expected. She also has been very direct about how the WNBA has misrepresented potential earnings. This isn't new information. If she decides not to play in the WNBA again, I wouldn't be surprised but there's nothing here saying she's never coming back to the league.

That's what I don't like about some of these articles. Writers take snippets and then turn it into something else to gain more attention. Williams "sensationally" quit. Really? This feels more like a National Enquirer tabloid piece to get clicks and considering how British newspapers handle news, this is par for the course. :confused:
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Agreed. And the "amid Caitlin Clark controversy" in the title was solely to get the clicks. There was no "CC controversy."
 
azfan said:
Amber Cox's resume includes some responsibility for the dumpster fire in Phoenix so I wouldn't get too elated if I were a Fever Fan.
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And she didn't appear to have a lot of hoops responsibility in Dalals the past year. And, if she did, how did that work out? :rolleyes:

Listen, Lin Dunn got a few things wrong over the last few years, but she's also made sure the Wings made the right (even if obvious) moves when they had to regards to draft choices. Stay tuned...I'm sure this isn't the end of the story here...

www.espn.com

Fever hire Amber Cox from Wings as COO, GM

The Indiana Fever have hired Amber Cox as the team's chief operating officer and general manager, the franchise announced Friday.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
MilfordHusky said:
The Commissioner misspoke, and Gabby was clarifying things. I'm sure the WNBA wants Gabby back after her success in the Olympics. Note that Gabby is playing in Turkey and no longer France. I think part of the motivation for the change is that the Turkish schedule fits the WNBA schedule and will not create a problem due to the prioritization rule.
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I recall an article from about a week or two ago in which Gabby was quoted as saying that she wants NOT to be under contract with any WNBA team until she finishes with her overseas basketball commitments. That way, she circumvents the WNBA prioritization rule, since the WNBA can't apply it to a player who isn't even under contract until mid-season. Furthermore, she wants any team that signs her to commit to not "coring" her, which would cause her contract to continue beyond a single partial season and thereby trigger the prioritization rule.

In other words, she wants to be a free agent every year until she is done overseas, and is then free to sign a "rest of season" contract with a WNBA team each year (but only for that one partial season, and with no possibility of being "cored"). If she does this every year, she will dance around the prioritization rule, albeit at the cost of having no long term commitment with any team.

I doubt that very many other WNBA players will view this as an attractive option.
 
JoePgh said:
I recall an article from about a week or two ago in which Gabby was quoted as saying that she wants NOT to be under contract with any WNBA team until she finishes with her overseas basketball commitments. That way, she circumvents the WNBA prioritization rule, since the WNBA can't apply it to a player who isn't even under contract until mid-season. Furthermore, she wants any team that signs her to commit to not "coring" her, which would cause her contract to continue beyond a single partial season and thereby trigger the prioritization rule.

In other words, she wants to be a free agent every year until she is done overseas, and is then free to sign a "rest of season" contract with a WNBA team each year (but only for that one partial season, and with no possibility of being "cored"). If she does this every year, she will dance around the prioritization rule, albeit at the cost of having no long term commitment with any team.

I doubt that very many other WNBA players will view this as an attractive option.
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Speaking as a future Valks season ticket holder, here's hoping our new GM is keeping Gabby in mind mid-season...
 
Okay, where do the Aces go from here? Not saying you blow up the team, but standing pat won't be enough. As we say every off season, they need a better bench. Hayes is a keeper, not sure about anybody else. They need a better 5th starter than Stokes. Can Gray return to being the player she used to be? She showed some flashes in the playoffs, but overall wasn't great. 38% shooting, 28% from 3 is not good enough. Clark has her moments, but she's not the player she was when she was helping the Storm win Championships (looking at the roster, she's 37, that surprised me).
 
nwhoopfan said:
Okay, where do the Aces go from here? Not saying you blow up the team, but standing pat won't be enough. As we say every off season, they need a better bench. Hayes is a keeper, not sure about anybody else. They need a better 5th starter than Stokes. Can Gray return to being the player she used to be? She showed some flashes in the playoffs, but overall wasn't great. 38% shooting, 28% from 3 is not good enough. Clark has her moments, but she's not the player she was when she was helping the Storm win Championships (looking at the roster, she's 37, that surprised me).
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One question I have is what are they going to do with Kierstan Bell? When I think of where she was drafted, she hasn't provided any value to the team that I can think of. Is it due to the depth of the team, injuries, not up to the level, etc.?

Since Fargas joined the team, their track record for drafting has left a lot to be desired. The jury is out on Martin as it's her rookie season, but the team's inability to draft talent to develop is concerning. Obviously Hammon and others have input, but she should have the most accountability in this area in my opinion.
 
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