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It's clear she knows the game and her place in it. She'll have a roster spot for a dozen years or as long as she wants.
Well said. Dorka has such a high bball IQ it is scary, especially on the defensive end. Folks, at the home games in my row, are always yelling for her to shoot the ball. I am like, "She is impacting the game in so many ways besides scoring."
 
Poor play in the last 10 seconds by both teams. Cloud has a turnover on a set piece coming out of a timeout. While Sloot casually brings up the ball with just a few seconds left the game. Going into overtime
 
Stewie was hot early, then cold. Then she did just enough to get the W. Both defenses were solid and physical. EDD had trouble getting shots and even more trouble making them. As Ruoco noted, Natasha Cloud was the best player on the floor.
 
Meanwhile, Dallas put up 100+ again against Atlanta in a comfortable win. Dallas had 7 players in double-figures and got 35 bench points. McCowan was unstoppable inside. The Wings get the Aces next. I expect to see some 95-90 games.
 
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Stewie was hot early, then cold. Then she did just enough to get the W. Both defenses were solid and physical. EDD had trouble getting shots and even more trouble making them. As Ruoco noted, Natasha Cloud was the best player on the floor.
Hmm. I thought Stewie's primary contributions late were draining her free throws, which were imperative at those junctures.
And the other key -- non-shooting -- plays were by Jonquel Jones: her offensive rebounds were absolutely huge and the pressure she put on Hines-Allen's late lay-up attempt was crucial (Overall, I think she had 3 blocks). Up to that point, H-A had a degree of success going up against much taller players. (Man, did this team miss Austin...).

Oh, Laney also had a nice shot late, when she drove to the top of the lane, hit a "J" and fell on her butt.
 
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AO and height for the Wings last night.

And I just don't mean Arike Ogunbowale who brought her "A" game against Atlanta, shooting 7-15 overall (including 2-4) from three and 4-4 from the FT line. She also distributed 7 assists. When Arike's in that mindset, good things happen for the Wings.
The "O" -- Odyssey Sims -- came off the bench to add 4 assists and 8 points. Coach Trammell split time at the PG position with Sims and Crystal Dangerfield.

The other main (perhaps the main) factor was how Dallas just dominated the Dream down low.
  • Teira McCowan shot 6-8 (so many putbacks!), grabbed 16 rebounds and played 32+ minutes.
  • Awak Kuier shot 6-9, grabbed 6 rebounds and had 3 blocks in 17 minutes.
If Coach Trammel can get production from those two, Kalani Brown and Satou Sabally (when she's in the blocks), they could pose a problem for the Aces.

The Dream have to get bigger in the off-season. Cheyenne Parker, Naz Hillmon and Monique Billings couldn't hold off the Dallas bigs. In fact, the leading Dream rebounder was former Wing and current Dream wing/small forward, Allisha Gray, who had 19 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists.
 
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AO and height for the Wings last night.

And I just don't mean Arike Ogunbowale who brought her "A" game against Atlanta, shooting 7-15 overall (including 2-4) from three and 4-4 from the FT line. She also distributed 7 assists. When Arike's in that mindset, good things happen for the Wings.
Odyssey Sims came off the bench to add 4 assists and 8 points. Coach Trammell split time at the PG position with Sims and Crystal Dangerfield.

The other main (perhaps the main) factor was how Dallas just dominated the Dream down low.
  • Teira McCowan shot 6-8 (so many putbacks!), grabbed 16 rebounds and played 32+ minutes.
  • Awak Kuier shot 6-9, grabbed 6 rebounds and had 3 blocks in 17 minutes.
If Coach Trammel can get production from those two, Kalani Brown and Satou Sabally (when she's in the blocks), they could pose a problem for the Aces.

The Dream have to get bigger in the off-season.
That's one item. Something about this team seemed off throughout the season, with respect to effort/heart. Last night's game it felt like they put up the white flag in the first half. The announcers kept saying the management is still high on Wright, but the result on the floor doesn't show it. Definitely improved from last season, but again, something doesn't seem right.
 
I also consider them 1a and 1b. They will be the core of Team USA for another decade or so.
They are both bigs in their late twenties. They both have maybe 3-5 years left in their prime before the athleticism that gives them both a big advantage starts to fall off a cliff. They'll definitely be the core of the 2024 Olympics but they'll both legacy additions in 2028 with a new crop of a talent being the core. I don't see either playing after 35 fwiw.
 
They are both bigs in their late twenties. They both have maybe 3-5 years left in their prime before the athleticism that gives them both a big advantage starts to fall off a cliff. They'll definitely be the core of the 2024 Olympics but they'll both legacy additions in 2028 with a new crop of a talent being the core. I don't see either playing after 35 fwiw.
I get the gist of what you're saying, but I'll nit pick a little with your projections.
Wilson just turned 27 (August) and will be 28 at this time next year when she heads to Paris. Four years after that in 2028-- at the next Olympics -- she'll be 32. In this day and age with advancing knowledge on how to stay in playing shape for longer periods of time, I think she'll be just fine. If she's gong to be a legacy, that will be in 2032. She'll be 36. I don't know how old you are, but I look forward to being able for both of us to debate "I told you so" at that time. ;)

BTW, Stewie -- also born in August -- is two years older than A'ja. I think she'll be good in 2024 and 2028, too (and not on the legacy card). The one after that? Hmm.
 
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They Dream did go from 14-22 to 19-21 this year (and made the playoffs for first time since 2018). Adding A. Gray was tremendous for the team, and from the outside, the players seem super tight. Wright did make a comment about a month ago that the team needs to "mature"--and as Dillon noted, they need to get bigger if they're going to compete with a team like Dallas.

TBH, if they have money to give to Kalani Brown, they should see if she'll take it.
 
They are both bigs in their late twenties. They both have maybe 3-5 years left in their prime before the athleticism that gives them both a big advantage starts to fall off a cliff. They'll definitely be the core of the 2024 Olympics but they'll both legacy additions in 2028 with a new crop of a talent being the core. I don't see either playing after 35 fwiw.

The L.A. Olympics are only 5 years away. Stewie will turn 34 that summer and A'ja will turn 32. I think they are still the core in 2028, but maybe not 2030.
 
They Dream did go from 14-22 to 19-21 this year (and made the playoffs for first time since 2018). Adding A. Gray was tremendous for the team, and from the outside, the players seem super tight. Wright did make a comment about a month ago that the team needs to "mature"--and as Dillon noted, they need to get bigger if they're going to compete with a team like Dallas.

TBH, if they have money to give to Kalani Brown, they should see if she'll take it.
I think the shipped has sailed with Kalani. She was a part of that 2021 team with all the drama and they previously dropped her. She made some comment following their win on Twitter that makes me believe she still has bad blood for the organization.

Overall I do think that Atlanta is trending in the right direction after making the playoffs for the first time in about 5 years. I think roster construction and coaching are the biggest issues going. I trust Dan Padover to fix the roster construction, as for coaching I believe it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
I get the gist of what you're saying, but I'll nit pick a little with your projections.
Wilson just turned 27 (August) and will be 28 at this time next year when she heads to Paris. Four years after that in 2028-- at the next Olympics -- she'll be 32. In this day and age with advancing knowledge on how to stay in playing shape for longer periods of time, I think she'll be just fine. If she's gong to be a legacy, that will be in 2032. She'll be 36. I don't know how old you are, but I look forward to being able for both of us to debate "I told you so" at that time. ;)

BTW, Stewie -- also born in August -- is two years older than A'ja. I think she'll be good in 2024 and 2028, too (and not on the legacy card). The one after that? Hmm.
I'd expect a pretty steep decline from both her and Stewie post 30, they'll still be great but I don't think they'll be competing for MVPs too much longer. That's what I mean by legacy, still contributors to the team but no longer the stars or focal points. Advance knowledge of playing shape and being able to play longer won't help the step they'll both lose pretty quickly post 30, age is undefeated after all. Swin Cash has spoken about it as a player in the WNBA and also as a current development scout for the NBA. It effects bigs much more than guards because guards can still control a game outside their athleticism.

So with your math, maybe 3 more peak years from A'ja and one more from Stewie.
 
I'd expect a pretty steep decline from both her and Stewie post 30, they'll still be great but I don't think they'll be competing for MVPs too much longer. That's what I mean by legacy, still contributors to the team but no longer the stars or focal points. Advance knowledge of playing shape and being able to play longer won't help the step they'll both lose pretty quickly post 30, age is undefeated after all. Swin Cash has spoken about it as a player in the WNBA and also as a current development scout for the NBA. It effects bigs much more than guards because guards can still control a game outside their athleticism.

So with your math, maybe 3 more peak years from A'ja and one more from Stewie.

Great point. This is evident with Sue and Syl retiring together; Sue was drafted in 2002, Syl in 2008.
 
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I'd expect a pretty steep decline from both her and Stewie post 30, they'll still be great but I don't think they'll be competing for MVPs too much longer. That's what I mean by legacy, still contributors to the team but no longer the stars or focal points. Advance knowledge of playing shape and being able to play longer won't help the step they'll both lose pretty quickly post 30, age is undefeated after all. Swin Cash has spoken about it as a player in the WNBA and also as a current development scout for the NBA. It effects bigs much more than guards because guards can still control a game outside their athleticism.

So with your math, maybe 3 more peak years from A'ja and one more from Stewie.
Um. Leslie played 12 years, with the same amount of productivity throughout. Fowles played 15 years, also maintaining her productivity. Both are taller than Stewart. Neither are as versatile and play as much time on the perimeter.

If Stewart “only” lasts as long as Leslie she’s got four more peak years. If she lasts as long as Fowles she has seven more.
 
Well, Phee had 31, but her teammates had only 44. Connecticut was much better, especially Thomas (28/6/12) and Bonner (25/10/6). In addition, Ty Harris, who has turned into a sharpshooter (46% from the arc for the season), had 18 off the bench. Connecticut wins by 90-75. They get Stew York next.
 
Well, Phee had 31, but her teammates had only 44. Connecticut was much better, especially Thomas (28/6/12) and Bonner (25/10/6). In addition, Ty Harris, who has turned into a sharpshooter (46% from the arc for the season), had 18 off the bench. Connecticut wins by 90-75. They get Stew York next.
Phee will be in the mix for USA Basketball. She had a terrific season.
 
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Phee will be in the mix for USA Basketball. She had a terrific season.
Totally agree. Her ability to score at multiple levels (ranges) will give the U.S.A. team an extremely versatile player.
 
Emre Vatansever Out as GM and Head Coach of Chicago Sky.

  • Position will be split going forward.
  • Senior Management, not Vatansever, negotiated Kahleah Copper's two-year extension. She wanted -- and supposedly got -- information on the team's plans going forward. It was she who announced the job split, not management.
  • Sky have supposedly drawn up a list of potential coaches, including -- but not limited to -- Teresa Witherspoon.

Here's an article by Annie Costabile, the Chicago Sun-Times reporter who is the Sky beat reporter.

 
I gotta tip my hat to Connecticut and their players. They played like they wanted to win and it showed. My beloved Minnesota Lynx. We made the playoffs and we didn't get swept. Phee balled her butt off out there. They rest of the team. Just wasn't not their night. Going to be interesting off season.
 
Emre Vatansever Out as GM and Head Coach of Chicago Sky.

  • Position will be split going forward.
  • Senior Management, not Vatansever, negotiated Kahleah Copper's two-year extension. She wanted -- and supposedly got -- information on the team's plans going forward. It was she who announced the job split, not management.
  • Sky have supposedly drawn up a list of potential coaches, including -- but not limited to -- Teresa Witherspoon.

Here's an article by Annie Costabile, the Chicago Sun-Times reporter who is the Sky beat reporter.

Will be interesting to see what the Sky do in the offseason. They gave up their first round draft pick this year to get Mabrey, so they were highly incentivized to get to the playoffs. The Copper/Williams/Mabrey guard/wing trio is super dynamic and fun to watch, and A. Smith showed she can be a contributor at the WNBA level, but they just didn't have the talent to compete with the elite teams. Getting Isabelle Harrison and Rebekkah Gardner back from injury will help, but they're not "Game changers" that get you competing for a title.
 
The Sun played like the pros they are and won easily. It's really been a great season considering their off-season. Looks like they're a bit outgunned but that's why they play the games.
 
Will be interesting to see what the Sky do in the offseason. They gave up their first round draft pick this year to get Mabrey, so they were highly incentivized to get to the playoffs. The Copper/Williams/Mabrey guard/wing trio is super dynamic and fun to watch, and A. Smith showed she can be a contributor at the WNBA level, but they just didn't have the talent to compete with the elite teams. Getting Isabelle Harrison and Rebekkah Gardner back from injury will help, but they're not "Game changers" that get you competing for a title.
Yup, the new General Manager will have to make a few major decisions.
  • First, I agree that the backcourt is pretty dynamic and would be even better in year 2, but......Courtney Williams is an unrestricted free agent. She had a good year, especially with the revival of her three-pt. shooting, so she could draw interest.
  • Also, super steal and very improved Allana Smith is an UFA, as well.

If one brings Williams, Smith back -- along with the return of Gardner and Izzy Harrison -- is that enough to take another step up?
Or, be mired as first-round exits?

Or....

Do you sign either Williams or Smith and spend the rest on a big contract?
  • For instance, go slightly younger and sign Jordin Canada to run with Copper and Mabrey? Or go with proven experience, such as Cloud or Diggins-Smith (who is from nearby South Bend)? And sign Smith.
  • Or, wrap up Morgan Bertsch, who is reserved and was also playing well before she was injured, and pair her with an improving Sike Kone? You could resign Williams and get someone else, to boot.

Will be interesting, for sure.
 
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