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We all should focus on perspective and appreciation.

There are 89 year old Syracuse fans who have witnessed just one National Championship.
Look at other really good programs like Syracuse-Arizona, Michigan, Ohio St. and Villanova. Just one NC apiece.

We need to stop with this attitude of entitlement. Uconn fans are basically in retirement- they don't even need to watch any more basketball for the rest of their lives and they will still have it better than most sports fans.

Do you want to root for a team like UNC, with Cryin Roy and fake classes?
How about Kentucky with Calipari? Or Lousiville with Pitino? Or worse, Duke with Grayson Allen?

I'd rather take a ketchup shower than be a fan of any of those teams.

Now, we shouldn't lower expectations. We should be making the tournament almost every year.
I'm also sure that there should be some changes on the bench-it's Ollie's team now-let him choose his own guys.

It's just a little dip. Ollie is still finding his way.
 
bobbygt said:
We all should focus on perspective and appreciation.

There are 89 year old Syracuse fans who have witnessed just one National Championship.
Look at other really good programs like Syracuse-Arizona, Michigan, Ohio St. and Villanova. Just one NC apiece.

We need to stop with this attitude of entitlement. Uconn fans are basically in retirement- they don't even need to watch any more basketball for the rest of their lives and they will still have it better than most sports fans.

Do you want to root for a team like UNC, with Cryin Roy and fake classes?
How about Kentucky with Calipari? Or Lousiville with Pitino? Or worse, Duke with Grayson Allen?

I'd rather take a ketchup shower than be a fan of any of those teams.

Now, we shouldn't lower expectations. We should be making the tournament almost every year.
I'm also sure that there should be some changes on the bench-it's Ollie's team now-let him choose his own guys.

It's just a little dip. Ollie is still finding his way.
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My fandom, as well as everyone else here, is resolute (yes, i'm speaking for all of you). But I think the lack of improvement, execution, and structure is what upsets most of us.
 
KemBuckets21 said:
My fandom, as well as everyone else here, is resolute (yes, i'm speaking for all of you). But I think the lack of improvement, execution, and structure is what upsets most of us.
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Agreed...I'll always be a dedicated, vested fan...It just makes watching that kind of performance (or lack thereof) especially frustrating..

As with our kids, we just want them to WIN....
 
Part of this is how you measure success. In my mind, one NC and three trips to the NIT is worse, much worse, than Two elite 8's and two sweet 16's over a 4 year period. Others may feel differently of course. Having an NCAA tournament with no UConn is just wrong, and there is really no excuse for it, except perhaps after that rare season when we graduate or lose 4-5 guys.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Part of this is how you measure success. In my mind, one NC and three trips to the NIT is worse, much worse, than Two elite 8's and two sweet 16's over a 4 year period. Others may feel differently of course. Having an NCAA tournament with no UConn is just wrong, and there is really no excuse for it, except perhaps after that rare season when we graduate or lose 4-5 guys.
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Guy - did you just say that having no national championship in a 4-year period is better than having one?!

Peak Boneyard.
 
This is crazy. I would take the NC over any other trips to the dance that end in defeat. However, missing the tournament should be a once in a while anomaly, not a way of life. I'm hoping as KO gets his feet under him as a coach and recruiter and builds this as his program that will be the case.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Part of this is how you measure success. In my mind, one NC and three trips to the NIT is worse, much worse, than Two elite 8's and two sweet 16's over a 4 year period. Others may feel differently of course. Having an NCAA tournament with no UConn is just wrong, and there is really no excuse for it, except perhaps after that rare season when we graduate or lose 4-5 guys.
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tykurez said:
Guy - did you just say that having no national championship in a 4-year period is better than having one?!

Peak Boneyard.
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tcf15 said:
And, in that scenario, I'm sure people would be saying "I'd rather have one national championship and 3 NITs than 2 E8s and 2 S16s".
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80shusky said:
This is crazy. I would take the NC over any other trips to the dance that end in defeat. However, missing the tournament should be a once in a while anomaly, not a way of life. I'm hoping as KO gets his feet under him as a coach and recruiter and builds this as his program that will be the case.
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You guys are talking past each other, and in spirit addressing two different questions:

1) Is it more satisfying as a fan to have gone NIT - Championship - NIT - NIT or S16 - E8 - S16 - E8 over a given 4 year period?
You take the championship. Period. End of discussion.

2) Which of those programs is better positioned for future success?
The consistent program is better positioned for success in the future, and is more likely to win championships in the future.


That's why the last 7 seasons have been so hard to evaluate. The championships have been incredible and you wouldn't trade these 7 seasons them for anyone else's (save maybe dook, who has also won twice). That said, the overall trajectory has not been good, and is potentially worrisome for the future of the program.

The hope is that in 10 years we're able to look back on this as a temporary blip caused by an aging/retiring coach, recruiting restrictions, APR BS, conference BS, and a new coach, and not as the harbinger of a long-term decline.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Part of this is how you measure success. In my mind, one NC and three trips to the NIT is worse, much worse, than Two elite 8's and two sweet 16's over a 4 year period. Others may feel differently of course. Having an NCAA tournament with no UConn is just wrong, and there is really no excuse for it, except perhaps after that rare season when we graduate or lose 4-5 guys.
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You are in the extreme minority.

You can easily test your theories out.

For instance, these are some of the teams that most closely fulfill your criteria the last 4 years: Michigan St, Arizona, Michigan, Florida, and maybe Syracuse (2 final 8s). Wisconsin is in another category since they had two final 4s.

I don't think people remember these 5 teams. You can go to all their boards and ask if they'd trade 2 NITs (you're assuming this year is an NIT, not sure why you'd say 3 NITs, because this year would make 2, not 3) + a championship for Final 8s and Sweet 16s. I'm almost entirely certain that the vast majority would not.

I know I wouldn't.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
You guys are talking past each other, and in spirit addressing two different questions:

1) Is it more satisfying as a fan to have gone NIT - Championship - NIT - NIT or S16 - E8 - S16 - E8 over a given 4 year period?
You take the championship. Period. End of discussion.

2) Which of those programs is better positioned for future success?
The consistent program is better positioned for success in the future, and is more likely to win championships in the future.
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I don't buy this argument. There are too many variables. For instance, does the NIT team emphasize going through growing pains for maximal development? Does it pay younger guys no matter if they can handle it? Does it exchange development for wins? Style of play for tourney success? Emphasize defense over offense?

Some of the variables will yield more wins in any given year, while the losses may just a result in a team that can take it all the way.

Again, I don't think this is what's happening at UConn this year since we are talking about a pretty old team (Gibbs, Miller, Brimah, Calhoun, Purvis) that is not going to come together. We knew despite our concerns in 2014 that the team could go on a run. We know this one won't. They are night and day at the end of games. Still, there is something to be said about development.
 
tykurez said:
Guy - did you just say that having no national championship in a 4-year period is better than having one?!

Peak Boneyard.
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Yeah, I did. If we had no championships ever, or none in the last 20 years or whatever...I'd feel differently. But the tournament is fun. I get great enjoyment out of those games, an NC win isn't really that much different from an elite 8 win really. I want more tournament games, more wins. So over a given span of time I want the most games to enjoy overall. Having none is terrible.

I know many feel differently. That's fine.
 
upstater said:
You are in the extreme minority.

You can easily test your theories out.

For instance, these are some of the teams that most closely fulfill your criteria the last 4 years: Michigan St, Arizona, Michigan, Florida, and maybe Syracuse (2 final 8s). Wisconsin is in another category since they had two final 4s.

I don't think people remember these 5 teams. You can go to all their boards and ask if they'd trade 2 NITs (you're assuming this year is an NIT, not sure why you'd say 3 NITs, because this year would make 2, not 3) + a championship for Final 8s and Sweet 16s. I'm almost entirely certain that the vast majority would not.

I know I wouldn't.
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I know. I used it as an example. UConn hasn't missed even yet this year and I hope we play our way in. I haven't given up. For me, the pain of being outside looking in is almost stronger than the joy of winning it all. I hate it.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yeah, I did. If we had no championships ever, or none in the last 20 years or whatever...I'd feel differently. But the tournament is fun. I get great enjoyment out of those games, an NC win isn't really that much different from an elite 8 win really. I want more tournament games, more wins. So over a given span of time I want the most games to enjoy overall. Having none is terrible.

I know many feel differently. That's fine.
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You'd make a perfect Syracuse fan.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Yeah, I did. If we had no championships ever, or none in the last 20 years or whatever...I'd feel differently. But the tournament is fun. I get great enjoyment out of those games, an NC win isn't really that much different from an elite 8 win really. I want more tournament games, more wins. So over a given span of time I want the most games to enjoy overall. Having none is terrible.

I know many feel differently. That's fine.
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I still vomit at losses to Missisippi St, Florida, Texas, UCLA, Maryland and especially Duke. The thought of those games practically makes me puke.

I'm the same way with football. I remember those losses. This is precisely why I like winning and having championships at the end of the year.

As great as 99 was when UConn broke through, as great as 2004 was when UConn dominated college basketball start to finish, as great as 2012 was when Kemba outclassed everyone, the 2014 was a moment of pure joy for me that in many ways exceeded almost any sporting event I have ever watched. It was the pinnacle or me as a fan. Would never trade it for anything. All the events that preceded it, the ban, the Big East crumbling, the exodus, the new coaches, Mark Emmert, etc. that was a killer. But then couple it with my own personal reasons (i.e. death of a close family member who was a huge UConn fan, and the fact that the opening rounds were in my town of Buffalo [we bar crawled down to the arena by foot each afternoon, walked 2 miles, and then bar crawled back in joy after the UConn games, amidst a sea of Orange tears] and then to get to see them at Madison Square Garden [practically bawling during the Michigan State game]) it far exceeded--far, far, far exceeded--the distaste of another UCLA, Maryland, etc.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Part of this is how you measure success. In my mind, one NC and three trips to the NIT is worse, much worse, than Two elite 8's and two sweet 16's over a 4 year period. Others may feel differently of course. Having an NCAA tournament with no UConn is just wrong, and there is really no excuse for it, except perhaps after that rare season when we graduate or lose 4-5 guys.
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You are one of three people in America who might claim this. And the other two are very drunk.

If you told me I could get an NC every 6 years, and miss the tournament the rest of the time, I'd take it. 3 championships in 18 years is worth far more than any number of tournament entries.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
You guys are talking past each other, and in spirit addressing two different questions:

1) Is it more satisfying as a fan to have gone NIT - Championship - NIT - NIT or S16 - E8 - S16 - E8 over a given 4 year period?
You take the championship. Period. End of discussion.

2) Which of those programs is better positioned for future success?
The consistent program is better positioned for success in the future, and is more likely to win championships in the future.


That's why the last 7 seasons have been so hard to evaluate. The championships have been incredible and you wouldn't trade these 7 seasons them for anyone else's (save maybe dook, who has also won twice). That said, the overall trajectory has not been good, and is potentially worrisome for the future of the program.

The hope is that in 10 years we're able to look back on this as a temporary blip caused by an aging/retiring coach, recruiting restrictions, APR BS, conference BS, and a new coach, and not as the harbinger of a long-term decline.
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Good post. As you alluded to, the past 7 years HAVE to be viewed through the lens of all the significant headwinds to hit the program at damn near the same time. Most programs would have folded under this scenario.

I think there are some encouraging signs for the future atm. So I'm excited, rather than trepidatious.
 
upstater said:
I still vomit at losses to Missisippi St, Florida, Texas, UCLA, Maryland and especially Duke. The thought of those games practically makes me puke.

I'm the same way with football. I remember those losses. This is precisely why I like winning and having championships at the end of the year.

As great as 99 was when UConn broke through, as great as 2004 was when UConn dominated college basketball start to finish, as great as 2012 was when Kemba outclassed everyone, the 2014 was a moment of pure joy for me that in many ways exceeded almost any sporting event I have ever watched. It was the pinnacle or me as a fan. Would never trade it for anything. All the events that preceded it, the ban, the Big East crumbling, the exodus, the new coaches, Mark Emmert, etc. that was a killer. But then couple it with my own personal reasons (i.e. death of a close family member who was a huge UConn fan, and the fact that the opening rounds were in my town of Buffalo [we bar crawled down to the arena by foot each afternoon, walked 2 miles, and then bar crawled back in joy after the UConn games, amidst a sea of Orange tears] and then to get to see them at Madison Square Garden [practically bawling during the Michigan State game]) it far exceeded--far, far, far exceeded--the distaste of another UCLA, Maryland, etc.
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And then capped off with the "this is what happens when you ban us!" I mean, that was sweet as duck.
 
Point blank....this team is under performing..it's on the coaching staff as the talent is all there....
 
RayRay19 said:
Point blank....this team is under performing..it's on the coaching staff as the talent is all there....
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No, the talent is not all there. We do NOT currently have any elite players*. And we are devoid of an experienced top shelf PG.

*JA and Hamilton may become that, but they are not as of right now
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Yeah, I did. If we had no championships ever, or none in the last 20 years or whatever...I'd feel differently. But the tournament is fun. I get great enjoyment out of those games, an NC win isn't really that much different from an elite 8 win really.
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Hawk, I got to say that this might be the most preposterous thing I've heard on here. I know that statement is made a lot, but this time, it might actually be true.
 
[QUOTE="upstater, post:
That being said, Ollie has lost control of this team and is not doing a fine coaching job at all. Maybe he has never experienced this kind of laziness and disfunction. Maybe these players don't have the drive of a Boatright/Napier. You could see the troubles on the very first offensive possession when they were totally discombobulated.[/QUOTE]

Bingo!
 
intlzncster said:
No, the talent is not all there. We do NOT currently have any elite players*. And we are devoid of an experienced top shelf PG.

*JA and Hamilton may become that, but they are not as of right now
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but does Temple or Houston or Tulsa or Cincy have any elite players? IMO Miller is as good as anyone in the conference. Unfortunately our offense should have been focused around him from day 1, instead it has been focused on the dribble drive.
 
intlzncster said:
Hawk, I got to say that this might be the most preposterous thing I've heard on here. I know that statement is made a lot, but this time, it might actually be true.
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Not trying to persuade anyone. I'm just saying, "The Shot" game vs Clemson is still probably my second favorite UConn game of all time after the 1999 NC. Ahead of the other three NC games. Hell the NIT championship is pretty high on my list (partly because I was still @ UConn then).

And no, I wouldn't make a good Syracuse fan...can't stand them. Kansas?...yes, I'm already a fan, even if they are forever #2 for me.
 
Huskyforlife said:
You'd make a perfect Syracuse fan.
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He could make a t-shirt: "2 Elite Eights and 2 Sweet 16s in a four-year span instead of 3 NITs and a National Championship!"
 
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