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Fishy said:
Has the team improved as the season went on? No.

Have the players improved? No.

Has the bench coaching improved? No.

Feel free to post three dozen "remember 2014" threads, pound your chests after we beat UCF or maybe just convince yourself that 20 wins and 11-7 in this s--- show of a conference is fine, but good god, there is something wrong in Storrs.

This is the sixth-best team in the AAC. In the three years we've been in this conference, we've yet to finish ahead of SMU or Cincinnati. Forget winning the conference, we're yet to finish within three games of the top spot.

Train is going in the wrong direction. Tonight isn't an exception, it's the rule - I knew we'd get run because SMU is better coached, more determined and they'd crack our team the way they normally do.

"But recruiting rankings!" Count those chickens when they hatch and play well in a UConn uniform.

In the interim, things have to change before next season - new blood needed on the bench. Check our record against the better teams in the conference over three years and tell me that Ollie, Hobbs and Miller are getting it done. If Ollie's the man, and his contract and salary say he is, it's time to stop using the bench next to him as a retirement home for former UConn grads easing toward the sunset.
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I think there are only a few that think things are A-OK because we won it in 2014. That title and his recruiting are the only things keeping all of us from calling for his head. There absolutely needs to be changes to the staff and Calhoun needs to have a sit down with Ollie. Two years in a row where we look worse in all facets than we did earlier in the season. I had a random old friend I haven't talked to in 15 years hit me up on facebook to ask what the hell has happened to UConn basketball? I had another friend text me asking if Ollie is the next Mike Davis? I didn't know how to answer either of them.
 
Fishy said:
Has the team improved as the season went on? No.

Have the players improved? No.

Has the bench coaching improved? No.

Feel free to post three dozen "remember 2014" threads, pound your chests after we beat UCF or maybe just convince yourself that 20 wins and 11-7 in this s--- show of a conference is fine, but good god, there is something wrong in Storrs.

This is the sixth-best team in the AAC. In the three years we've been in this conference, we've yet to finish ahead of SMU or Cincinnati. Forget winning the conference, we're yet to finish within three games of the top spot.

Train is going in the wrong direction. Tonight isn't an exception, it's the rule - I knew we'd get run because SMU is better coached, more determined and they'd crack our team the way they normally do.

"But recruiting rankings!" Count those chickens when they hatch and play well in a UConn uniform.

In the interim, things have to change before next season - new blood needed on the bench. Check our record against the better teams in the conference over three years and tell me that Ollie, Hobbs and Miller are getting it done. If Ollie's the man, and his contract and salary say he is, it's time to stop using the bench next to him as a retirement home for former UConn grads easing toward the sunset.
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Could not have said it any better, well done!
 
Huskyforlife said:
You really just said 2012?
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To clarify, I didn't mean that 2010 & 2012 lacked talent, quite the opposite. I meant that JC had those teams that underachieved, never gelled and plenty of fans criticised their toughness, pride and IQ.

If that can happen to a better coach with more talent, twice, then it can happen with KO and this group.
 
Its clear that there is an issue. We have not missed the NCAA Tournament in back to back years in 25+ years. The worst part about that...it happened after winning a national championship. What changes could realistically be made? Ive said in other threads that decisions on the staff will be made by Ollie. I dont think hes going to throw any of his assistants under the bus.
 
Ts5034 said:
Its clear that there is an issue. We have not missed the NCAA Tournament in back to back years in 25+ years. The worst part about that...it happened after winning a national championship. What changes could realistically be made? Ive said in other threads that decisions on the staff will be made by Ollie. I dont think hes going to throw any of his assistants under the bus.
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It hasn't happened yet.
 
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Fishy said:
Has the team improved as the season went on? No.

Have the players improved? No.

Has the bench coaching improved? No.

Feel free to post three dozen "remember 2014" threads, pound your chests after we beat UCF or maybe just convince yourself that 20 wins and 11-7 in this s--- show of a conference is fine, but good god, there is something wrong in Storrs.

This is the sixth-best team in the AAC. In the three years we've been in this conference, we've yet to finish ahead of SMU or Cincinnati. Forget winning the conference, we're yet to finish within three games of the top spot.

Train is going in the wrong direction. Tonight isn't an exception, it's the rule - I knew we'd get run because SMU is better coached, more determined and they'd crack our team the way they normally do.

"But recruiting rankings!" Count those chickens when they hatch and play well in a UConn uniform.

In the interim, things have to change before next season - new blood needed on the bench. Check our record against the better teams in the conference over three years and tell me that Ollie, Hobbs and Miller are getting it done. If Ollie's the man, and his contract and salary say he is, it's time to stop using the bench next to him as a retirement home for former UConn grads easing toward the sunset.
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Could not agree with you more but....and a BIG but Ollie and his staff was shoved down Wardes throat or up his back side depending on how you see it. This by JC and his demand of the family must take over. Therefore we have coaches that have gone up the ladder and ended up here on the way back down. This possibly not by the choice of the head coach forced into the situation quite possibly (actually obviously) before ready.
Personally I was hoping for a turn of the page and keeping it in the family with Steve Pikell coming here and choosing his own staff. That was not in the mix. We are in a tough place and I hope we can dig out but tonight's game gave me nothing to look forward to coaching wise.
It was doggy snot ugly!
 
Nothing against the two 5th year seniors (especially Miller has been great) but bringing in graduate/seniors like that has got to mess up the leadership chemistry. Clearly, Daniel Hamilton was not going to take over with two new graduate seniors on the team. Think of how morale goes in a corporation when it doesn't hire for an opening from within. Ok, I grasping here to find an explanation for this year.
 
Lefty2one said:
To clarify, I didn't mean that 2010 & 2012 lacked talent, quite the opposite. I meant that JC had those teams that underachieved, never gelled and plenty of fans criticised their toughness, pride and IQ.

If that can happen to a better coach with more talent, twice, then it can happen with KO and this group.
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Those teams played in the greatest college basketball conference of all time.

I don't think a single team in this years AAC would finish in the top 7 in the conference in those leagues.

Uconn has underachieving teams. But never against this level of competition. Modern era: before someone references some team from the 60s or something
 
Fishy said:
Has the team improved as the season went on? No.

Have the players improved? No.

Has the bench coaching improved? No.

Feel free to post three dozen "remember 2014" threads, pound your chests after we beat UCF or maybe just convince yourself that 20 wins and 11-7 in this s--- show of a conference is fine, but good god, there is something wrong in Storrs.

This is the sixth-best team in the AAC. In the three years we've been in this conference, we've yet to finish ahead of SMU or Cincinnati. Forget winning the conference, we're yet to finish within three games of the top spot.

Train is going in the wrong direction. Tonight isn't an exception, it's the rule - I knew we'd get run because SMU is better coached, more determined and they'd crack our team the way they normally do.

"But recruiting rankings!" Count those chickens when they hatch and play well in a UConn uniform.

In the interim, things have to change before next season - new blood needed on the bench. Check our record against the better teams in the conference over three years and tell me that Ollie, Hobbs and Miller are getting it done. If Ollie's the man, and his contract and salary say he is, it's time to stop using the bench next to him as a retirement home for former UConn grads easing toward the sunset.
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It's absolutely disgusting that every single one of your posts are either using very little of your own opinion or complete pandering to the current climate of the fan base. Take an actual stand and prognosticate why you either support KO, or the how's and why's of why YOU think this team is failing.



I agree with many of your points, but at the same time you never offer any actual opinion or original thought to any of your posts. Everything you do is complete fluff and is honestly bulls.hit.




Aside from this completely proven idiot, barring some unforeseen circumstance, next year should be entirely "Make some noise in the NCAA Tournament or you're done" for Ollie. In my years as an early Calhoun fan until now, I cannot remember any point in the last 25 years where a team has played with so little heart. Whenever Calhoun had an underperforming team it was due to a gap in recruiting or experience. 2012 was the lone exception, but that seemed much more like Calhoun wanting a victory lap and a chance to coach Drummond than anything. But I digress, this team has absolutely folded whenever possible outside of winning @ Texas. I've personally never thought this team was going to be great, but there is 0 reason this team should have this record given how relatively weak their OoC has turned out to be.
 
superjohn said:
I had a random old friend I haven't talked to in 15 years hit me up on facebook to ask what the hell has happened to UConn basketball? I had another friend text me asking if Ollie is the next Mike Davis? I didn't know how to answer either of them.
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This is the concern. We may be turning into Georgetown, UCLA, Indiana -- once-dominant programs that are only fleetingly relevant. The next 2-3 years are critical, and we will only know the final outcome in 5-10.

Mike Davis is an interesting comparison, but the guy who comes to mind for me is Tubby Smith. Won a championship early in his tenure, having inherited most of those players. Otherwise was mediocre-to-good. The difference is, mediocre-to-good for Kentucky looked like contending for the SEC title, a #15 ranking, a 4 seed, and a Sweet 16 appearance. For us, that's middle of the pack in the AAC, zero votes in the polls, and the bubble.

Late in his tenure, critical Kentucky fans dubbed their coach "Ten Loss Tubby". Well, KO has lost 10 games now 3 of his 4 years.
 
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I'm surprised JC hasn't spoken out. This is all on the staff, IMO.
 
The Funster said:
I'm surprised JC hasn't spoken out. This is all on the staff, IMO.
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you think Calhoun is going to publicly call out his protege, who he's had something akin to a father/son relationship with?

i really don't think that's going to happen. i'm sure they speak in private pretty regularly
 
This is going to be a good cathartic period for UConn basketball.

We have posters preferring Steve Pickiell over Ollie.

We have people hoping we don't end up like Indiana and UCLA.

We need to clear out a bunch of fans who think UConn's 4 championships is something we have a right to see with regularity.

This doesn't even mention the fact that we are in the AAC and Indiana has huge support as a B1G team, and a better fanbase than UConn.

The stuff that gets posted here is preposterous. It's not that I'm not shocked by last night (anyone in the chat knows my feelings on what has happened this year) but our response to it shows how delusional the fanbase is.
 
upstater said:
This is going to be a good cathartic period for UConn basketball.

We have posters preferring Steve Pickiell over Ollie.

We have people hoping we don't end up like Indiana and UCLA.

We need to clear out a bunch of fans who think UConn's 4 championships is something we have a right to see with regularity.

This doesn't even mention the fact that we are in the AAC and Indiana has huge support as a B1G team, and a better fanbase than UConn.

The stuff that gets posted here is preposterous. It's not that I'm not shocked by last night (anyone in the chat knows my feelings on what has happened this year) but our response to it shows how delusional the fanbase is.
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Many here wanted Calhoun gone in 2010 + 2011. You are spot on about delusional fan base.
 
Fishy pretty much nailed it. This team is mailing it in. The players, the coaches, everyone. They don't hustle, they don't get back on D for the second game in a row, and they don't seem to even care really. Only proud moment was Shonn Miller getting a T. At least that involved some intensity.

I'll admit that SMU is a better team than UConn, but not like that. Houston isn't better at all. I don't know what the underlying cause it, but it needs to be fixed and fixed right now. This team now needs to win the AAC tournament to get a bid and avoid the NIT.
 
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upstater said:
This is going to be a good cathartic period for UConn basketball.

We have posters preferring Steve Pickiell over Ollie.

We have people hoping we don't end up like Indiana and UCLA.

We need to clear out a bunch of fans who think UConn's 4 championships is something we have a right to see with regularity.

This doesn't even mention the fact that we are in the AAC and Indiana has huge support as a B1G team, and a better fanbase than UConn.

The stuff that gets posted here is preposterous. It's not that I'm not shocked by last night (anyone in the chat knows my feelings on what has happened this year) but our response to it shows how delusional the fanbase is.
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I agree with the spirit of your post, but I don't think people expect a national championship every year.

I think people rightfully expect to make the tournament and win this league
 
amory said:
I agree with the spirit of your post, but I don't think people expect a national championship every year.

I think people rightfully expect to make the tournament and win this league
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I don't think everyone is delusional. As I said, you should have read my posts last night. I am past the point of whatever. If this team wins a couple games against UCF and whoever (Cincy?) I would not be apoplectic if the committee decides to leave them out of the tourney.

I'm talking about fan expectations. About not becoming an Indiana. About upgrading our head coach, etc. That's what I call delusional.
 
upstater said:
I don't think everyone is delusional. As I said, you should have read my posts last night. I am past the point of whatever. If this team wins a couple games against UCF and whoever (Cincy?) I would not be apoplectic if the committee decides to leave them out of the tourney.

I'm talking about fan expectations. About not becoming an Indiana. About upgrading our head coach, etc. That's what I call delusional.
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What do you mean? Is it unreasonable to expect to miss the NCAA tournament no more than once a decade or so? That's how it is for the "blue bloods". We claim some rights to that group based on our 4 NCs, but the stability is not there.

As a Kansas Law alumn I can tell you that missing the tournament is never considered acceptable (26 years in a row). Hell, they have won the league title 12 years in a row and it is much stronger than this league where we have never won. Consistent excellence > occasional NCs.

UConn basketball needs to be a program that almost never misses the NCAA tournament and challenges for a league title 9 years out of 10, along with a fair shot at a sweet 16 or elite 8. That is my expectation. There are schools that meet that expectation. If we aren't one, we aren't in the top tier.
 
freescooter said:
When a team comes out flat twice in a row with an NCAA bid hanging in the balance I'm sorry but that is on the coach.
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Freescooter hanging out in his favorite thread

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UChusky916 said:
To start the year, our offense was pretty impressive and our defense was lackluster (remember, we were averaging over 8- pts/gm before conference play).

As the season went on, our offense regressed and our defense improved.

Somehow, once we got back Brimah from injury, our defense got worse and our offense continued to regress.

At some point or another, you have to stop pointing fingers at the players. Although Fishy is blaming the OTHERS on the bench, I'm putting a lot on KO as well. He's regressed as a head coach.
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Maybe he was never that great? As others have said, he won with Jimmy C's players a few years back. I don't want to be a pessimist, but it's hard not to.
 
HuskyHawk said:
What do you mean? Is it unreasonable to expect to miss the NCAA tournament no more than once a decade or so?
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UConn missed the NCAA tournament in 2010, 2007, 2001, 1997, 1993. Prior to Ollie, UConn missed the tourney 5 times in 2 decades. So, the expectation of once every 10 years seems far flung. Especially when you consider that those 5 misses in those 20 years happened under Hall of Famer Jim Calhoun, and especially when you consider that UConn was NOT in a conference like the AAC.

Let's look at a blueblood team like Indiana, which, let's face the truth, has a lot more, A LOT MORE, going for it than UConn.

In the last 11 years, they missed the NCAA tourney 6 times.

This includes 3 years of probation because of Sampson's phone calls. However, there was no tournament ban. This makes their situation comparable to UConn's.

In 2008, Indiana hired Tom Crean.
 
upstater said:
UConn missed the NCAA tournament in 2010, 2007, 2001, 1997, 1993. Prior to Ollie, UConn missed the tourney 5 times in 2 decades. So, the expectation of once every 10 years seems far flung. Especially when you consider that those 5 misses in those 20 years happened under Hall of Famer Jim Calhoun, and especially when you consider that UConn was NOT in a conference like the AAC.
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And especially when you consider that the program wasn't coming off of:
a) a postseason ban just a few years prior
b) recruiting sanctions during that timeframe
c) limit in scholarships
d) the loss of a 26 year head coach
 
KemBuckets21 said:
Maybe he was never that great? As others have said, he won with Jimmy C's players a few years back. I don't want to be a pessimist, but it's hard not to.
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Why do we have to swing from one end of the spectrum to the other?

He can be great in 2013 and 2014 and regress in 2015 and 2016.

Why is that not possible?

I don't buy the Calhoun players argument. For one, Deandre Daniels hardly did anything under Calhoun. Two, Shabazz was ripped apart here his sophomore season, was deemed a problem child. Three, Boatright was in and out of the lineup his freshman year. Heck, Calhoun was in and out between his suspension and his illnesses. They were learning under George Blaney for crying out loud. And it wasn't pretty then either. Blaney was even more harshly blasted than Ollie is being blasted now.

In other words, though these players were landed by Calhoun (I don't know who recruited them), they surely all developed under Ollie in those 2 years, 2013-2014. Daniels, Napier, Boatright, and even a guy like Niels Giffey, improved under Ollie. Does anyone dispute this?

If the argument is that Calhoun landed more highly rated talent than Ollie, then that too is questionable. Is everyone completely forgetting what was said about these classes at the time?

Giffey, Napier, Boatright, were not overwhelming us with promise back then. You can find a ton of threads on this board about the horrible recruiting during Napier's sophomore season under Calhoun.

That 2014 team that won the national championship was Kevin Ollie's team. It is mind boggling that any other argument could even be made.

That being said, Ollie has lost control of this team and is not doing a fine coaching job at all. Maybe he has never experienced this kind of laziness and disfunction. Maybe these players don't have the drive of a Boatright/Napier. You could see the troubles on the very first offensive possession when they were totally discombobulated.
 
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