Week 6: Other Games

[Chin Diesel]

Fox studio host says Maryland has more TO's than FG's at halftime. Jimmy Jackson came back with saying it's tough to score when you aren't scoring buckets on the offensive side of the court. Poignant.

 

[Marat]

Fox studio host says Maryland has more TO's than FG's at halftime. Jimmy Jackson came back with saying it's tough to score when you aren't scoring buckets on the offensive side of the court. Poignant.

Just turned it on. What happened ? UCLA up 30+ on MD

 

[imno1]

Wow- Maryland only has 15 points near end of 1st half....crazy.
49-20 at half
Can't recall too many games where the home team absolutely dominated like this

Worst home loss for Florida in nearly 25 years

Rarely have I seen a press release on an official team site be so impressed with how their opponent played. I was stunned to learn that we delivered them their worst home loss since 1998. A entire year before we stunned the world. “When it was over the Huskies had a fifth straight victory over...

the-boneyard.com

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Just turned it on. What happened ? UCLA up 30+ on MD

The Big 10 thought it was March.

 

[Icehawk]

Lville might finally win one...

 

[auror]

Wow- Maryland only has 15 points near end of 1st half....crazy.
49-20 at half
Can't recall too many games where the home team absolutely dominated like this

I mean 13 was too high for Maryland after they lost 2 in a row but still, wow.

 

[HooperScooper]

Fox studio host says Maryland has more TO's than FG's at halftime. Jimmy Jackson came back with saying it's tough to score when you aren't scoring buckets on the offensive side of the court. Poignant.

Come on, where else can you get analysis like that? Lol

 

[Waquoit]

I've found there's no fallout quite like analytical fallout

 

[HooperScooper]

When Larry was on the bench (is he still?) he looked frustrated all the time.

He is not. His back probably hurts after carrying Penny.

Brown steps down at Memphis due to health

Basketball Hall of Famer Larry Brown is stepping down from his role as a special adviser to Memphis coach Penny Hardaway because of ongoing health concerns.

www.espn.com

 

[Chin Diesel]

Just turned it on. What happened ? UCLA up 30+ on MD

Maryland sucked really bad for the first half.

 

[auror]

Maryland sucked really bad for the first half.

And then they lost the first 4 minutes of the second half by 8.

At home.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

The Big 10 thought it was March.

See, you can
be n.a.u.g.h.t.y without misleading of a fellow Husky fan.
(I never imagined that word would get filtered out)

 

[tzznandrew]

I mean 13 was too high for Maryland after they lost 2 in a row but still, wow.

UCLA now #4 in KenPom, up from 8.

Maryland now 26, down from 17.

 

[mauconnfan]

Is this really an argument worth having?

The Penny hate on this board is completely irrational and inaccurate. It is almost like a filter to identify which posters you should read and which ones you can skip.

I don't hate Penny loved him as a player. He's awful, show me his success with great players. And he because he's Penny, good guy has cash, no other reason. It would do me wonders for you to not read my posts, skip them because I watch his teams play out of control, I'm good with that.LOL

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't hate Penny loved him as a player. He's awful, show me his success with great players. And he because he's Penny, good guy has cash, no other reason. It would do me wonders for you to not read my posts, skip them because I watch his teams play out of control, I'm good with that.LOL

His teams may not have made a Final Four, and there are some things he doesn't do great, but playing out of control is not one of their problems.

 

[mauconnfan]

His teams may not have made a Final Four, and there are some things he doesn't do great, but playing out of control is not one of their problems.

Yeah it is on offense in general. There is no set up, it’s one on one with kids more interested in showing off their skills (which aren’t always great) rather than playing team ball. It’s obvious he’s not a good coach, good guy but ends there.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Louisville in danger of winning a game. Up 46-35 at the half vs WKY

I’m legit surprised by Louisville’s secure win over a better WKU.

Read an interesting fact about Stansbury: sure, he recruit$ well but he’s the first head coach in WKU history not to lead the Hilltoppers to the tournament.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yeah it is on offense in general. There is no set up, it’s one on one with kids more interested in showing off their skills (which aren’t always great) rather than playing team ball. It’s obvious he’s not a good coach, good guy but ends there.

It is the opposite. He is overly analytics focused, and the offense has a tendency to burn a lot of shot clock getting the perfect shot. Also, when every shot has to be a layup or a 3 pointer, it makes it easy for the defense to prepare. He is not the only coach that has an imperfect understanding of the statistics behind maximizing points per possession.

That said, Memphis is the 43rd ranked offense in efficiency per KenPom. Not terrible, especially for a team that is not great from 3.

It is a decent team and Hardaway is a decent coach.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

UCLA now #4 in KenPom, up from 8.

Maryland now 26, down from 17.

For a high profile high major, lots to like about this UCLA team:

• They develop talent (five homegrown upperclassmen in the rotation).
  • If you don't enjoy watching seniors Tyger Campbell or Jaime Jaquez, then you don't like college basketball. Just hard working, solid players that are easy to root for.
• The legacy of Wooden: it's good for college basketball when UCLA is good.
• I kinda like Cronin doing well at UCLA.

In terms of ceiling, their lack of shooters is concerning (28.0% 3PA/FGA is 22nd lowest in the nation), however their non-bigs are efficient enough shooters (36.9 3p%) to force defenses to respect their spacing.

 

[auror]

It is the opposite. He is overly analytics focused, and the offense has a tendency to burn a lot of shot clock getting the perfect shot. Also, when every shot has to be a layup or a 3 pointer, it makes it easy for the defense to prepare. He is not the only coach that has an imperfect understanding of the statistics behind maximizing points per possession.

That said, Memphis is the 43rd ranked offense in efficiency per KenPom. Not terrible, especially for a team that is not great from 3.

It is a decent team and Hardaway is a decent coach.

I think he's referring to them being ranked 308th or worse in turnover rate for the last 3 years, including 351st last year. This year, it's a little better. But I'm personally giving a lot of the credit for this year's improvement to transfer Kendric Davis for being a steady hand at PG who learned outside Penny's system. Davis has the highest TO rate over the last 3 season's of his career this season in Memphis, but it's still low enough to be acceptable. Landers Nolley, for example, has been at 3 schools over 4 years and his 2 worst TO rate years were his 2 years at Memphis. Penny likes to play up-tempo in transition (top 60 in offensive pace all 5 seasons) but his teams tend not to value the ball in transition.

 

[mauconnfan]

I think he's referring to them being ranked 308th or worse in turnover rate for the last 3 years, including 351st last year. This year, it's a little better. But I'm personally giving a lot of the credit for this year's improvement to transfer Kendric Davis for being a steady hand at PG who learned outside Penny's system. Davis has the highest TO rate over the last 3 season's of his career this season in Memphis, but it's still low enough to be acceptable. Landers Nolley, for example, has been at 3 schools over 4 years and his 2 worst TO rate years were his 2 years at Memphis. Penny likes to play up-tempo in transition (top 60 in offensive pace all 5 seasons) but his teams tend not to value the ball in transition.

Bingo!

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I think he's referring to them being ranked 308th or worse in turnover rate for the last 3 years, including 351st last year. This year, it's a little better. But I'm personally giving a lot of the credit for this year's improvement to transfer Kendric Davis for being a steady hand at PG who learned outside Penny's system. Davis has the highest TO rate over the last 3 season's of his career this season in Memphis, but it's still low enough to be acceptable. Landers Nolley, for example, has been at 3 schools over 4 years and his 2 worst TO rate years were his 2 years at Memphis. Penny likes to play up-tempo in transition (top 60 in offensive pace all 5 seasons) but his teams tend not to value the ball in transition.

Are we going to focus on a random deep stat as "the only stat that matters"? Is that the debate we are going to have?

Memphis' defensive turnover % has been excellent for 21, 22 and this season. Do those count or no? How about offensive rebounding? Is a consistently great offensive rebounding percentage mean the team is playing out of control?

 

[mauconnfan]

Penny is a bit too by-the-book analytics coach for my tastes. This results in some heaves at the end of the shot clock when they can't get the perfect analytics shot, but other than that it is hard to criticize him if people are being intellectually honest. He recruits well, his players get better and he beats good teams. 80% of the P6 coaches might be able to pull off a good season or two at Memphis, but they would quickly fade to mediocrity or worse trying to compete at the highest level out of a mid-major like Memphis. Hardaway has done a very good job there, and the constant criticism of him is just tedious Major Conference-bias.

He does recruit well no doubt. Heck he earned the program a 3 year probation for his efforts. He’s so good he beat the NCAA to NIL.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Did nicely on a three leg boosted parlay today:

With the season in full swing, better ideas of how teams are built and more experimental data for analytics, I might jump more into some cbb bets for games I don’t plan on watching (even though I caught the end of the Wagner game during intermission of the Rangers game).

 

[aceboon]

Lol, how in the hell is this allowed without calling a tech?