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I found this episode harmless & mostly entertaining, after the Dukes of Hazard style car chase I was dumbed down into shrugging off the tiger's death as necessary for their Ezekiel reckoning. Or maybe I was thankful that it shushed my uncontrollable, and very useless wondering how they fed it.

But the tiger attacks were cool and we needed at least one more. Tiger should have sprung from the bush and tackled the big gun & Humvee and died taking that out - solves the episode's 2 dumbest parts!
 
1. Long wait & truly no need for pooping pants, lame confession by Negan = stupid
2. Gregory bit was torturous, we know he is an idiot, Negan knows this too so why?
3. In general that council was awfully dimwitted & disorganized even when Negan was present
4. Typical WD is introduce a game changer ('heavy' machine gun) but then write themselves into a corner. That gun was so much more valuable than any argument over explosives and is obviously thing #1 to secure even b4 interrogating the Savior, but that gun would also change every battle and make the 'war' over in a greater 3 seconds than Daryl's inexplicable explosion plans = let's stage a dumb fight and blow it up. I keep forgetting its written like a kid's comic book. Captain Poopy pants!
5. Rick's line that chokeholds are illegal was in good fun, at least we ended an otherwise boring and plot terrible episode with a smile.
6. Whoops not the end yet, after countless guts covered escapes leading us to wonder why they don't always do this Negan finally brings up people getting sick (after the fact writing at its WD best) and so Gabriel gets sick. I've got 1000-1 that next time they employ this its forgotten, but they have authored a stupid rationale to stick in our heads for why they aren't doing this 25 other times that people get trapped by zombies and fail to escape by guts camouflage.
 
Any thoughts on last night? It was a weird, somewhat uneventful episode.
 
A lot better, they did finally provide us the strategy for the attack and gave vital check-in's with all characters (i.e. Michonne).
It was a bit naive that Michonne & whatshername - left their car & followed the siren, they deserved to be killed not thwart a plot, but the truck crash was cool & blowed-up guy cooler so a net win.
The Rick garbage people stuff is/was ridiculous (what was purpose of half-naked opening shot?!) but since we all know Rick can't be killed it seems plausible for him to walk in there alone with nothing but his character shield.
Carl subplot I liked, Carol-Ezekiel stuff I liked, sensible twist that Maggie threw whathisface in with the wolves.
 
Dogdeacon said:
The Rick garbage people stuff is/was ridiculous (what was purpose of half-naked opening shot?!) but since we all know Rick can't be killed it seems plausible for him to walk in there alone with nothing but his character shield.
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Well we know the Trash People cut a deal with Negan, so they probably know Negan wants Rick alive for himself. So either way she went, I doubt Rick's life was in danger with them. I assume their plan is to turn him over to Negan and get a better deal.
 
meyers7 said:
Well we know the Trash People cut a deal with Negan, so they probably know Negan wants Rick alive for himself. So either way she went, I doubt Rick's life was in danger with them. I assume their plan is to turn him over to Negan and get a better deal.
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I really liked the movie Total Recall because of the assumption it was a possible dream Shwarzenegger couldn't be killed within his dream. Similarly it was an decent idea to protect Rick, Maggie, Ezekiel via the Negan strategy of taking them all as prisoners. Practically speaking not so much especially if the strategy remains if they are as decimated as it seems.
However if Rick has a cogent strategy to capture Negan or do some other damage at the Rick prisoner exchange I will definitely have to give them credit.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Any thoughts on last night? It was a weird, somewhat uneventful episode.
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I thought it was a relatively thoughtful episode. I like the Carl arch. He's definitely part of the Team Jesus "we can't lose all of our humanity if we are fighting to save humanity." I hope the new guy turns out to be as trustworthy as he seems.

The Michonne thing seemed a bit forced and fortuitous (finding the Saviors, finding a loaded grenade launcher or SAM (whatever it was), Daryl blasting the truck just in time, etc.), but the fact that they are still healing helped with the timeline a bit.

I like the Hilltop moral issue. They can go a lot of ways with the prisoners and I can see it being a real dilemma. For those that say they should just kill them all, I wouldn't think that's easy, even after what they've all been through. I do think it would be easy to kill the one trouble maker. Easily justified, and it could send a message that their mercy isn't boundless.

The trash people thing better have more of a purpose. Rick said his people know where he is, but why the hell would he go there by himself? We know that they take whatever they can. Rick gave himself to them on a platter. He didn't seem upset in the jail cell though. Maybe this is part of his plan. I'm also finding the way that they play the leader (Jaden?) odd. She almost seems to come out of character when dealing with Rick. When she says "no" to Rick and then says "he talks too much" she's practically laughing. No one else has shown any similar behavior. Maybe we'll find out that she's an actor like Ezekiel.
 
Chuck said:
I thought it was a relatively thoughtful episode. I like the Carl arch. He's definitely part of the Team Jesus "we can't lose all of our humanity if we are fighting to save humanity." I hope the new guy turns out to be as trustworthy as he seems.

The Michonne thing seemed a bit forced and fortuitous (finding the Saviors, finding a loaded grenade launcher or SAM (whatever it was), Daryl blasting the truck just in time, etc.), but the fact that they are still healing helped with the timeline a bit.

I like the Hilltop moral issue. They can go a lot of ways with the prisoners and I can see it being a real dilemma. For those that say they should just kill them all, I wouldn't think that's easy, even after what they've all been through. I do think it would be easy to kill the one trouble maker. Easily justified, and it could send a message that their mercy isn't boundless.

The trash people thing better have more of a purpose. Rick said his people know where he is, but why the hell would he go there by himself? We know that they take whatever they can. Rick gave himself to them on a platter. He didn't seem upset in the jail cell though. Maybe this is part of his plan. I'm also finding the way that they play the leader (Jaden?) odd. She almost seems to come out of character when dealing with Rick. When she says "no" to Rick and then says "he talks too much" she's practically laughing. No one else has shown any similar behavior. Maybe we'll find out that she's an actor like Ezekiel.
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It was a slow down from the frenzied pace of weeks before. Very slow...thoughtful is a good word. They are clearly focusing on the larger issue of: "what kind of society do we build when we beat these guys". Of course the prior week they introduced the notion that the Saviors have the same goal, with an powerful despot as ruler, rather than any form of democracy or community decision making. It's an interesting situation.

Agree the Carl element was good, and the situation with the prisoners at Hilltop. The Michonne part was somewhat pointless. Rick's play with the trash people was weird. I assume he has some kind of ace up his sleeve here. I think Jadis likes Rick. She's almost flirty. But I think she's got to be what the Scavengers expect her to be.
 
Even through the dumpster fires that have been the last several seasons, Carol has been the bright spot. Love her character development.

Okay so Lauren Cohen’s accent continues to get worse. How does this happen? It is so distracting.

Aside from Carol and Ezekiel interaction, and Carl and Saddiq scene (did I just say I liked a scene involving Carl???) episode was horrendous.
 
huskysupporter said:
Yesterday’s episode a new low?
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Nah, I thought it was fine, mostly entertaining. Naturally there was no such master trash people prisoner exchange plan that superfan meyers envisioned, but the coolness of the fight mostly made up for the dunderheaded bender. I kind of liked the Eugene stuff as he's the one character they've made both dumb & smart enough to have constant moral reckonings!
The Michonne & whatshername bailing on crash plan was silly & irrelevant but par for handicapped course so don't care.
I loved the way they threw in dialogue about mbullet making (mullets making bullets) to make a battle plausible as if there has ever been any accounting for munitions on this show. They are there when needed for plot and not there when running out of ammo/guns is needed for plot.

I guess there should be a rule that 'ammo' can't be a major plot point going forward, but then we'd have to include food/water, gasoline etc. It is equally important for them to have that stuff handy whenever needed as it is for them to pretend they are hungry/thirsty/out of Ammo when needed.

Mostly I'm happy there's just one anticlimactic episode left.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
Naturally there was no such master trash people prisoner exchange plan that superfan meyers envisioned,
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Would have made more sense to me.

Dogdeacon said:
I loved the way they threw in dialogue about mbullet making (mullets making bullets) to make a battle plausible as if there has ever been any accounting for munitions on this show. They are there when needed for plot and not there when running out of ammo/guns is needed for plot.

I guess there should be a rule that 'ammo' can't be a major plot point going forward, but then we'd have to include food/water, gasoline etc. It is equally important for them to have that stuff handy whenever needed as it is for them to pretend they are hungry/thirsty/out of Ammo when needed.
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I guess in the comics, he makes ammo for Rick and Co. so they can fight the Saviors.

An aside, if I was stuck in the Sanctuary, running low on water/food, etc. , having the workers starting to turn on the leaders, and knowing I had enough firepower to blow my way out of the Sanctuary, I probably wouldn't worry so much about having more ammo after the fact. i.e. let's save ourselves now and worry about later, later. :confused:

Dogdeacon said:
Mostly I'm happy there's just one anticlimactic episode left.
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LOL, 1 left of this half season. We got at least 24 more. :cool: (unless you are assuming everything after this next episode will be "climactic" ;))
 
meyers7 said:
I guess in the comics, he makes ammo for Rick and Co. so they can fight the Saviors.
An aside, if I was stuck in the Sanctuary, running low on water/food, etc. , having the workers starting to turn on the leaders, and knowing I had enough firepower to blow my way out of the Sanctuary, I probably wouldn't worry so much about having more ammo after the fact. i.e. let's save ourselves now and worry about later, later. :confused:
LOL, 1 left of this half season. We got at least 24 more. :cool: (unless you are assuming everything after this next episode will be "climactic" ;))
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Remember in the TV show a few seasons back Eugene made the bullet that whatshername fired into Negan's bat, but since then they've been conspicuously silent as far as I recall on bullet making factory, materials etc... But yada yada, expository dialogue and we have 10 thousand rounds!
I understand its a half-season, I love how the passage of time adds to inexplicable plot elements that they are incapable of addressing; here is my top-10 list:
1. Zombie disease - its incurable therefore never worth our characters ever talking about (they must have heard from showrunners that it never ends)! As an aside when was the last non-immediately fatal zombie bite, Bob 4-7 seasons ago?!
2. Carl's age
3. Food (esp for tigers)
4. Water
5. Distances between anything & anywhere
6. Sanitation, garbage, bathrooms
7. Judith's age
8. Gasoline
9. Maggie's pregnancy timeline
10. Overweight people - I think if this were a show about the Ethiopian famine in 80's they'd still use the actors playing Eugene & Jerry
 
Dogdeacon said:
1. Zombie disease - its incurable therefore never worth our characters ever talking about (they must have heard from showrunners that it never ends)! As an aside when was the last non-immediately fatal zombie bite, Bob 4-7 seasons ago?!
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Tyreese and I guess Deanna. She was walking around in the woods, so she wasn't eaten.

Dogdeacon said:
2. Carl's age
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Yea, easier to do in the comics. I think he's like still 10-12 there??

Dogdeacon said:
3. Food (esp for tigers)
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She seemed to not mind walkers, plenty of them around.

Dogdeacon said:
6. Sanitation, garbage, bathrooms
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The garbage people? (most shows don't cover that except for comedic affect)

Dogdeacon said:
9. Maggie's pregnancy timeline
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Not a whole lot of time has passed yet. Story wise. Believable or not.

Dogdeacon said:
10. Overweight people - I think if this were a show about the Ethiopian famine in 80's they'd still use the actors playing Eugene & Jerry
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Don't forget Dr. Denise. I just saw her in Godless. Pretty good show.
 
The Maggie pregnancy timeline juxtaposed with Carl adds to the on-screen denial, inescapable speed aging by Carl versus to avoid further plot drag Maggie won't give birth until he's in his 30's.
 
Dogdeacon said:
The Maggie pregnancy timeline juxtaposed with Carl adds to the on-screen denial, inescapable speed aging by Carl versus to avoid further plot drag Maggie won't give birth until he's in his 30's.
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Still my hypothesis, he's the last one standing.
 
Not a great episode, nor terrible. Just meh.
  • Do not understand why Michonne thought the plan with the truck was super risky. They did it easily. There wasn't even anyone for the snipers to shoot.
  • Rick fight was decent. Ending was a nice surprise for him after that.
  • Enjoyed most of the Eugene bits. The ipod, speaker and little plane was clever. Glad Dwight shot it, not him.
  • Downside of the Eugene stuff. It's not believable. Staying alive as an imperative is something we all share. Nobody is as risk averse as this guy.
  • Negan is one weird guy. Perhaps megalomaniacs actually think that way. He seems to believe that he's a benefit to society.
All in all, not much happened.
 
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Why did Jadis agree to help Rick after he somehow kicked all their butts? She had a bunch of men with assault rifles all around him? Why does Rick suddenly believe they've turned a new leaf? At this point, I'd have to believe Negan is okay with the leaders presented to him with their heads on a pike, if there was no realistic way they could transport them to the saviors compound?

I'm willing to bet Carl is killed off/goes missing in the next episode. Rick has Judith and that other girl to take his place. Guessing Negan blames Eugene for what just happens, ends him too. Father Gabriel should probably die of his infection, considering the doctor claimed they didn't have the modern medican to help him.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Not a great episode, nor terrible. Just meh.
  • Do not understand why Michonne thought the plan with the truck was super risky. They did it easily. There wasn't even anyone for the snipers to shoot.
  • Rick fight was decent. Ending was a nice surprise for him after that.
  • Enjoyed most of the Eugene bits. The ipod, speaker and little plane was clever. Glad Dwight shot it, not him.
  • Downside of the Eugene stuff. It's not believable. Staying alive as an imperative is something we all share. Nobody is as risk averse as this guy.
  • Negan is one weird guy. Perhaps megalomaniacs actually think that way. He seems to believe that he's a benefit to society.
All in all, not much happened.
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Well his claim to Gabriel was that the sanctuary was a mess until he took over. So leading such a dominant force during the apocalypse probably would fuel anyone's ego.
 
Well so much for my theory of Carl being the last man standing. Guess Chandler Riggs has other things he'd like to pursue. Maybe Carl will last longer in the comics.
 
Didn't one of Rick's crew (Rosita?) go to the Sanctuary with a rifle/scope to unsuccessfully take out Negan? And in the mid-season finale, Negan struts around completely exposed outside the Alexandria gates and not one person takes a shot at him???
 
I was happy to see Carl get bit but man what a horrendous season so far. Terrible episode (aside from Carl).

Now I can look forward to several episodes of a distraught Rick screaming “Coral!!!!!”
 
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I thought that mid-season finale was very entertaining & kind of made up for the supposed all-out-war' season by having at least one episode of all out war. The show benefits from its large handicap of zero strategy expected, so when we got 3 coordinated attacks out of the inexplicably large #s again Saviors, the crossfire via Dwight, & Maggie shooting the obviously militant prisoner dude it almost felt like a season in one episode. Carl's speech was great and I think Rick & Negan's fight was fun (Rick speaks for all of us; "do you EVER shut up!") although it was one of at least 10 scenes where I wasn't 100% sure who I was looking at due to unnecessarily extreme darkness.

The upside of Carl's likely demise is that the show doesn't go on for another 5+ years with him assuming a John Connor mythology. Let Carl die honorably, purposefully for the cause, then march baby Judith & a few originals to Shangri-La and we are outta here.
 
Dogdeacon said:
I thought that mid-season finale was very entertaining & kind of made up for the supposed all-out-war' season by having at least one episode of all out war. The show benefits from its large handicap of zero strategy expected, so when we got 3 coordinated attacks out of the inexplicably large #s again Saviors, the crossfire via Dwight, & Maggie shooting the obviously militant prisoner dude it almost felt like a season in one episode. Carl's speech was great and I think Rick & Negan's fight was fun (Rick speaks for all of us; "do you EVER shut up!") although it was one of at least 10 scenes where I wasn't 100% sure who I was looking at due to unnecessarily extreme darkness.

The upside of Carl's likely demise is that the show doesn't go on for another 5+ years with him assuming a John Connor mythology. Let Carl die honorably, purposefully for the cause, then march baby Judith & a few originals to Shangri-La and we are outta here.
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Don't think there is a Shangri-La. At least in Kirkman's world.
 
meyers7 said:
Don't think there is a Shangri-La. At least in Kirkman's world.
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And that's fine in a comic book, but for TV series to maintain interest & a hook they need something to strive for. President Carl has spit the bit[e], so need something to strive for even if its never found. Just like Bruce Banner kept walking until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him.
 
Dogdeacon said:
And that's fine in a comic book, but for TV series to maintain interest & a hook they need something to strive for. President Carl has spit the bit[e], so need something to strive for even if its never found. Just like Bruce Banner kept walking until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him.
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I don't remember what Caine was looking for. ;)
 
Like Tommyboy when the show ends at 10 o'clock I am not thinking about it until 7:30 the following Sunday.

I really enjoyed the finale (just watched it). A total turnaround by the Saviours v. good guys. did chuckle at their strength in numbers.

I assumed Carl was bit between being on top of the fence and the ground whence he landed. He pretty much hobbled ever since. Or maybe he was bit in the sewer? Anyway, seeing the bite was a shocker to me and Mrs. Dove. And an abdominal bite has me now thinking it happened as he jumped down in the sewer.

Enjoyed Eugene. His "I must survive at all costs" has been a thing from the beginning.

I really hate Morgan. And when he meets Maddy she will, too.
 
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Why did they show Rick getting his gun back if he wasn't going to shoot Negan? He got tackled out of the window, but for some reason ran away.

Why did Rick use the wrong side of the bat on Negans face?

I wish Negan wasn't so cocky he would walk around Ricks house with just a bat too, at least have a gun ready just in case.

Carl got bit while fighting the walkers with that guy, why didn't he tell anybody? Do they have nothing to treat infections anymore?

What happened to the garbage pail kids? Looks like Rick left without them?

Why didn't anyone shoot that savior who shot Dwight? The rest were clearly dead, you would've thought they would've wanted to close in on him faster.
 
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