Walking Dead Season 4

[Joobie]

Alaska makes sense as a destination...but then, they might have to deal with Sarah Palin shooting at them from a helicopter!

 

[huskysupporter]

KARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRL!!!!!! KARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRL!!!!!

 

[Fishy]

1) I think they'd have to stay south. Last thing you want to deal with in the zombie apocalypse is to wander across the plains in a blizzard. Can you defrost a zombie? If not, maybe head north in spring.

2) Zombies have really soft heads and really tough teeth. Seems incongruous.

3) I didn't see Karl in this episode so I assume he's dead. Yay, zombies!

 

[G0UCONN]

Zombies have really soft heads and really tough teeth. Seems incongruous.

Excellent point....a gun butt hits their heads (or even a good stiff kick) and they explode but one bite by them and they are immediately yanking the lungs outa their victims chest or gnawing on arm bone.....very weird.

Appears Glenn pretty much guaranteed his survival through the rest of series by finding that guard uni....tough look and hot as a beotch but their knife-teeth can't penetrate...why ever take it off?

 

[huskysupporter]

I enjoyed the episode. I still think Beth and Darryl are headed for a hook up. Very tense when it looked like Lizzy was going to suffocate Judith.

 

[G0UCONN]

Some weird possible endings to series...

Rick wakes up in hospital and it was all a dream ala Bob Newhart...

Or Rick figures out the gunshot killed him and he is actually in hell...

 

[huskysupporter]

And one annoyance is that the 3 new characters look even more over the top cartoony than their comic book characters. Although I am a big fan of the female's outfit.

 

[Joobie]

I totally enjoyed last night's episode. It was great to NOT see Carl for a whole hour. It was also cool to see what happened with others. I was surprised twice; when Tyrese turned to face the camera & was holding Judith & when Carol showed up. Pleasant surprises...

 

[huskysupporter]

Here is a pic of a comic book cover of the new characters. The guy playing Abraham looks like a claymation Hulk Hogan.

 

[meyers7]

I enjoyed the episode. I still think Beth and Darryl are headed for a hook up. Very tense when it looked like Lizzy was going to suffocate Judith.

Yea looks like she's the psychopath with the rabbits and probably rats at the prison. Looks like they are heading in the Ben/Billy thing from the comics.

 

[meyers7]

And one annoyance is that the 3 new characters look even more over the top cartoony than their comic book characters. Although I am a big fan of the female's outfit.

On the Talking Dead they said Gimple (who is a huge fan of the comics) wanted them to be as close a possible (look wise) to the comics. And I guess when we first saw them it was the same clothes, poses from the comic issue 53.

I totally enjoyed last night's episode. It was great to NOT see Carl for a whole hour. It was also cool to see what happened with others. I was surprised twice; when Tyrese turned to face the camera & was holding Judith & when Carol showed up. Pleasant surprises...

Agreed, thought they did a nice job with those surprises. And we got Abraham and co. already.

 

[Dogdeacon]

I found the episode a little dull or predictable. Gotta give them credit for trying the foreshadow then re-tell what actually happened, but for whatever reason (maybe I wanted to get back to ice dancing it left me feeling detached.

Episode was saved by Glenn, most dialogue he's had in a while and I think* liked everything about his story especially lying down to quit but then seeing the picture.

Conclusion is Glenn is one of the few characters with some depth that I care about and I'm chagrined to admit that I apparently like Rick because his absence contributed to my detachment.

*I don't want spoilers, but please reassure me that Abraham isn't going to be a pretend helpful secretly evil guy. I cannot take that again.

The "Did you enjoy the show as" line to the camera was great, refreshing to see them having fun with it!

 

[meyers7]

*I don't want spoilers, but please reassure me that Abraham isn't going to be a pretend helpful secretly evil guy. I cannot take that again.

Well can't guarantee what they will do in the TV series, but that would be almost exactly opposite of the comic book Abraham. I think he's was more of the rough on the outside but secretly good guy. But again, who knows what they will do with him here.

Not sure if they need Abraham, Tyreese and Daryl. They might (might) all fill that tough, Rick's right hand guy character????

 

[Dogdeacon]

Well can't guarantee what they will do in the TV series, but that would be almost exactly opposite of the comic book Abraham. I think he's was more of the rough on the outside but secretly good guy. But again, who knows what they will do with him here.

Not sure if they need Abraham, Tyreese and Daryl. They might (might) all fill that tough, Rick's right hand guy character????

Some of the criticism I've seen of the episode is pretty harsh, lots of unrealistic etc.. I didn't get that deep, just watched and felt blah. But your point reminds me specifically that Tyreese's actions were beyond dumb, he's not long for the ZA world if his entire persona is brute strength and go running off in direction of any random screaming. I've got Carol +300 in their death match.

 

[meyers7]

Some of the criticism I've seen of the episode is pretty harsh, lots of unrealistic etc.. I didn't get that deep, just watched and felt blah. But your point reminds me specifically that Tyreese's actions were beyond dumb, he's not long for the ZA world if his entire persona is brute strength and go running off in direction of any random screaming. I've got Carol +300 in their death match.

Yea having him leave them in the middle of the woods to go....who knows where (and will he ever come back??), ....doesn't seem the best idea. Not sure about dragging the girls and a crying baby into danger would be a good idea either though. ??? He's kinda screwed with 2 girls and a baby to take care of. Carol was probably a sight for sore eyes.

Have to remember Tyreese was never told about Carol. Didn't even know she hadn't come back to the prison with Rick. I liked how quickly she realized he didn't know and went right along with the story. I imagine her plan is to use his strength to keep them alive, but if anything goes down (i.e. when Tyreese finds out) Carol's taking the kids.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Yea having him leave them in the middle of the woods to go....who knows where (and will he ever come back??), ....doesn't seem the best idea. Not sure about dragging the girls and a crying baby into danger would be a good idea either though. ??? He's kinda screwed with 2 girls and a baby to take care of. Carol was probably a sight for sore eyes.

Have to remember Tyreese was never told about Carol. Didn't even know she hadn't come back to the prison with Rick. I liked how quickly she realized he didn't know and went right along with the story. I imagine her plan is to use his strength to keep them alive, but if anything goes down (i.e. when Tyreese finds out) Carol's taking the kids.

Yes, all obvious when Carol emerged. That's the other criticism I agree with though is she & Abraham appeared out of thin air which seemed more comic book fan service/faithfulness than good TV. No doubt at this point that Kirkman is driving force. I expected if/when Carol & Tyrees hook up with Rick or Darryl their memories won't be as good and that might be how he finds out. Be interesting if Carol makes any effort to gradually confess.

 

[Fishy]

Biggest problem with this show is that it is practically begging people to stop watching.

The pacing of it is just dreadful. They're capable of some incredible story lines, but equally incapable of recognizing a bad one. They have more character than they know what to do with and they end of having some of them sit on back burners for long stretches, (Tyrese, Michonne, even Rick), while they go off fleshing out someone that ultimately doesn't mean anything.

Now we have the new army peeps who will likely go straight to the backburner while we spend two episodes enduring a sociopathic ten year old who likes to smother babies.

It's becoming the Rob Deer of television - two strike outs and then a home run.

My advice...

Stop making these people into morons. No one is going to leave two second-grade girls in the woods with a crying baby in a zombie apocalypse so that he can go investigate some bloodcurdling screams.

Shoot Rick. They've turned the show's "hero" into a stammering idiot for the better part of two years. I can't take it anymore. Just shoot him.

Move the freaking ball forward every week. Rick can't spend the next three weeks on couch. Tyrese and the fun bunch can't spend the next month on the railroad tracks while the sociopath dreams up recipes for smothered baby.

Consider going Red Wedding on the kids, Herschel's youngest daughter and a couple of other characters. Thin the herd.

 

[meyers7]

Yes, all obvious when Carol emerged. That's the other criticism I agree with though is she & Abraham appeared out of thin air which seemed more comic book fan service/faithfulness than good TV.

Eh, people do that alot in TV shows too. But, eh maybe.

No doubt at this point that Kirkman is driving force.

Gimple is supposedly a huge comic book fan, so it's probably him as opposed to Kirkman. From Kirkman interviews, he thinks it's cool when his comic book comes to life, but he also really likes new stuff. Stuff happening to his characters that he didn't think of.

I expected if/when Carol & Tyrees hook up with Rick or Darryl their memories won't be as good and that might be how he finds out. Be interesting if Carol makes any effort to gradually confess.

My guess is, they may keep two groups for awhile. Just a guess though. Rick/Carl/Michonne hooking up with Glenn/Tara/Abraham&Co. while Daryl/Beth find Tyreese/Carol/Girls. Not sure what they'll do with Maggie/Sasha/Bob. Maybe Maggie is the only one who makes it of those 3. Leaves Maggie to find her sister or her husband???

IDK, some thoughts. They could combine these groups in a lot of different ways for a lot of difference effects.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Fishy is right, I think the biggest problem is simply they are constantly pulling in and out of comic book strip beats that someone not writing scenes or lines demands. It is too difficult to constantly write into and around the pre-ordained events so they just have people do things inexplicably which comes off as dumb. I.e. Tryeese runs off to make room for baby smothering and Carol re-appearance. I've also heard that the writers are in CA while its filmed in GA = no problem solving when scenes don't work and they can't react to strengths & weaknesses of cast.

I don't read comic books, but this show somehow has made me mad at comic books and I will somehow really not read them out of spite.

 

[Cheddie]

2) Zombies have really soft heads and really tough teeth. Seems incongruous.

I've always wondered how one could smash a walker's skull like it was an egg and how, at the same time, their flesh-ripping bites would put a lion to shame.

And if one gets infected with a bite (saliva?), how does one stay uninfected splattered from head to foot with walker blood that remains on your dirty clothes for weeks?

 

[huskysupporter]

I thought the first two episodes were pretty solid. But with the introduction of these over the top cartoony characters, I don't think this is must watch for me anymore. I will dvr the episodes and catach up when I have time. Dissapointing, the first two seasons were fantastic tv.

 

[Dove]

I have not read the comics and don't know if the new trio is supposed to be menacing or humorous but it seems the two male characters may have been the wrong guys. Not into them so far even tho its been one episode.

Q: Why after a year past the apocolyse haven't they reached DC yet?

 

[meyers7]

I have not read the comics and don't know if the new trio is supposed to be menacing or humorous but it seems the two male characters may have been the wrong guys. Not into them so far even tho its been one episode.

From what I can gather, Michael Cudlitz ("Abraham") was on the Talking Dead last night, a little of both. Abraham, I think is a nice enough guy, but rough on the outside. I think he crack some wise @ss remarks (like last night's "son of a ") Was in the army and is very mission oriented.

The scientist guy, Eugene, I think is supposed to be kind of intelligent, but not a lot of common sense type. So I imagine there will be some humorous stuff with him (i.e. trying to shoot the automatic weapon last night). He either thinks he's smarter than he is, or he wants everyone to think he is smart, not sure which yet. Mostly kept around because he supposedly knows something.

Rosita? I guess Abraham's girl. So she goes along with him?? Don't know if she'll have much of a part.

Don't know how long they will be around, in the comics they were with and integrated to the group for quite awhile I guess.

Q: Why after a year past the apocalypse haven't they reached DC yet?

Looks like they are trying to stay close to the comics with these 3. In the comics they came from Houston. So in the apocalypse, it does seem to take some time to get from place to place. You stop for awhile where you can get supplies, may have to go out of your way for safety reasons. Get in groups, groups break up or disintegrate. And fuel and vehicles don't seem to be in large supply (well depending on which way the want the plot to go )

 

[meyers7]

I've always wondered how one could smash a walker's skull like it was an egg and how, at the same time, their flesh-ripping bites would put a lion to shame.

It's TV. There are quite a few things that aren't congruent. Gas really doesn't stay good that long, how can people who survive this long all of a sudden become inept, there's lots of things. It's a show about zombies and the apocalypse. Either you like it or not. I'm not a big zombie fan, but I like the moral dilemmas they get put into. What's right/wrong (and in who's opinion) in the apocalypse as compared to before, etc.

And if one gets infected with a bite (saliva?), how does one stay uninfected splattered from head to foot with walker blood that remains on your dirty clothes for weeks?

They seemed to worry about that the 1st season. In Guts, they put on shields and lab coats when they chopped up that one body. I don't know if it has to do with the virus is already in everyone, so that it's when you die you turn, regardless of if you are bitten. If you are bitten, it's more like rabies or something that causes you to die, not necessarily turn. I don't know, but yea, they don't really seem too worried about it now. (or it's just too much bother for the writers to figure out how to protect people from blood splatter - heck everyone would be infected now)

 

[meyers7]

I thought the first two episodes were pretty solid. But with the introduction of these over the top cartoony characters, I don't think this is must watch for me anymore. I will dvr the episodes and catach up when I have time. Dissapointing, the first two seasons were fantastic tv.

I really liked last night's episode, particularly the Rick in the house and Michonne in the house parts. I'll have to wait to see where they go with the new characters, but the people who've read the comics, are really big on Abraham.

 

[Fishy]

You 'really like' every episode.

At this pace, The Walking Dead will eventually had to have a storyline where most of the characters die of old age.

At least "stuff" happened in this episode.

 

[Dogdeacon]

I really liked last night's episode, particularly the Rick in the house and Michonne in the house parts. I'll have to wait to see where they go with the new characters, but the people who've read the comics, are really big on Abraham.

After the cereal part where the prestigious yet defunct GM Saturn young actors nomination committee nearly rolled over in their graves when Carl tried to laugh and appear jovial, the stuff with him & Michonne was good. The bodies in the bedroom was chilling.
I am a seller on Rick staying hidden under the bed and the home alone invaders not immediately noticing that someone had been living there and searching thoroughly (clearing rooms is going on in other storyline?!), but once Rick was out from under the bed it was fine. I could practically see the comic book strips with Rick trapped beneath a bed. Rick leaving the door ajar after strangling the guy for the saving Zombie attack was a nice touch.

Glen deciding to walk off and punch and inexplicably deck the army brute was just silly nitwit behavior.

Eugene seems to be the comic book reader surrogate, a Kevin Smith-ish glorification of the adult comic book reader somehow being the coolest guy in the Zombie Apocalpyse room.

Overall I like the episode b/c of Michonne's parts. Finally they have an African-American with a real speaking role and credit that 2yrs of her nonsensical brooding has made her opening up justifiably good character development.

 

[meyers7]

After the cereal part where the prestigious yet defunct GM Saturn young actors nomination committee nearly rolled over in their graves when Carl tried to laugh and appear jovial, the stuff with him & Michonne was good. The bodies in the bedroom was chilling.

Some of the stuff they are doing now is kinda suspenseful. I like how they are doing that, without having a lot of "big" stuff going on.

I am a seller on Rick staying hidden under the bed and the home alone invaders not immediately noticing that someone had been living there and searching thoroughly (clearing rooms is going on in other storyline?!), but once Rick was out from under the bed it was fine. I could practically see the comic book strips with Rick trapped beneath a bed. Rick leaving the door ajar after strangling the guy for the saving Zombie attack was a nice touch.

Yea maybe. But him under the bed was very suspenseful, even knowing he is not gonna die. But as to the clearing rooms, usually they are clearing them for walkers, not so much living people??

Still not sure if that first guy (fighting over the bed) died or was just WWF choked out.

Glen deciding to walk off and punch and inexplicably deck the army brute was just silly nitwit behavior.

He's in love.

Eugene seems to be the comic book reader surrogate, a Kevin Smith-ish glorification of the adult comic book reader somehow being the coolest guy in the Zombie Apocalpyse room.

Interesting take. I don't think it turns out that way from what I've heard about the character in the comics (although that could be different in the TV show), but hadn't thought of that.

Overall I like the episode b/c of Michonne's parts. Finally they have an African-American with a real speaking role and credit that 2yrs of her nonsensical brooding has made her opening up justifiably good character development.

Well Sasha hasn't done too bad. She seems strong and intelligent. I think they could do more with Tyreese. And I'm not sure about Bob. (think he was a white guy in the comics anyway)
I think there might be more background at some point on Michonne's child, like how he died. I'm thinking (and this is not from the comics) that it could have been a suicide pact by his father. Something like that. Father had given up, killed their son so he wouldn't have to face the world type thing.

 

[UConn Dan]

Still not sure if that first guy (fighting over the bed) died or was just WWF choked out.

I'm thinking he was just choked out cold. Being that he's the only one that saw what Rick looked like and could identify him later on -- I'm sure that crew will meet up with Rick and co. again down the road and that dude will point out Rick as the guy that killed their guy, especially since their leader (on the porch) is a recognizable actor.

I know some on here have been critical, and I agree the show can sometimes drag and be predictable, it's still entertaining as ! I def. look forward to Sunday nights when TWD is on (makes them bearable).

 

[meyers7]

I'm thinking he was just choked out cold. Being that he's the only one that saw what Rick looked like and could identify him later on -- I'm sure that crew will meet up with Rick and co. again down the road and that dude will point out Rick as the guy that killed their guy, especially since their leader (on the porch) is a recognizable actor.

That's kinda what I was thinking. I know in the comics there is some group they have trouble with. The Survivors??? I was thinking that might be them??? And the guy on the porch I think is/was in Sons of Anarchy?? I think Jeff Kober per Google.