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Vital - Kenpom AAC POY (thus far)

Who cares? Both guys are/were great huskies. CV is a great all-around great player, period. Has some worts, who doesn't, but all positives vastly outweigh the perceived negatives.
 
Vital will be a historical player for Uconn if he can help this team get a postseason bid they will look at this team as a turning point from bad times and he is the senior leader of this group
 
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His senior year has been much better than Dyson's. Dyson was horrible his senior year.
 
Doctor Hoop said:
This thread, man. Whoa.

There’s literally nothing wrong with Vital, other than he has a ceiling that’s not as high as most of the 2 guards in UConn history. He far too often makes poor decisions on the fast break with the ball and when to chuck up a 3. His drives are sometimes out of control. He’s a streaky shooter with mechanics that vary game to game (they were spot on 1st half on Sunday, but next game is a coin flip). He is willing to try to be the guy who wins the game, but isn’t at a talent level where he should be that guy.

That said, I like him as a player, and want him on my team. The dude plays hard all the time, he works very hard on defense and wants every rebound, and gets many of them for a 6’2” guard. He drifts off his man much less than he did in past years. He hits free throws at a high rate. He’s gotten better at passing the ball on time to the open guy. He’s both a glue guy and a leader, and not shy about it.

I understand that stats have him as a leader for CPOY. Some of that is because, to this point in the season, he’s been the most consistent for UConn game to game. But his two really good stats are free throw shooting, and rebounds for a guard. Not what usually gets you pumped about a player.
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Him doing it at 6'1" is incredible and is what gets me pumped.
 
If Vital was 6'5" all, he would be an All-American. His lack of height and reach is his biggest knock and what impedes him from in the weak spots in his game. That said, I will miss him as he to me was a small Caron Butler - a warrior.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
You're looking at straight percentages. Divide the difference in percentage by Dyson's percentage and you get the 10%.

If Dyson was a 35% shooter and Vital was a 38.5% shooter it'd be 38.5-35 = 3.5/35 = 10%.

If Vital one season was a 30% shooter and he increased his number to 40% the next season, he increased his shooting by 33% over the last season.
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thats not how you compare percentages.
 
hardcorehusky said:
If Vital was 6'5" all, he would be an All-American. His lack of height and reach is his biggest knock and what impedes him from in the weak spots in his game. That said, I will miss him as he to me was a small Caron Butler - a warrior.
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If he was 6’5 he wouldn’t have pulled out of the draft his Soph year.

Kids been an overlooked and under appreciated veteran during a tough stretch. Instead of being looked at as a symbol of the Ollie era, we should maybe start to view him as a reason while we didn’t free fall into the cellar.
 
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MDHuskFan said:
If he was 6’5 he wouldn’t have pulled out of the draft his Soph year.

Kids been an overlooked and under appreciated veteran during a tough stretch. Instead of being looked at as a symbol of the Ollie era, we should maybe start to view him as a reason while we didn’t free fall into the cellar.
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If we could put CV’s game in BAdams’ body
 
olehead said:
Him doing it at 6'1" is incredible and is what gets me pumped.
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I wrote that back on 2/10/20. Since then he's cleaned up his act tremendously. Few if any bad 3's. Much better finishing at the rim and/or drawing fouls. Finding the open man rather than forcing it against double-teams and set defense. And fewer turnovers.

And I still want him on my team.
 
Vital is playing the best basketball of his career right now. He will likely be conference player of the week again.
 
Doctor Hoop said:
I wrote that back on 2/10/20. Since then he's cleaned up his act tremendously. Few if any bad 3's. Much better finishing at the rim and/or drawing fouls. Finding the open man rather than forcing it against double-teams and set defense. And fewer turnovers.

And I still want him on my team.
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Today and Thursday, he did take a single ill-advised 3 with his team leading and less than 4 minutes on the clock. In neither case did the opposing team come down court and hit a 3, something that happened earlier in the season.

I agree with all in your post.
 
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Doctor Hoop said:
I wrote that back on 2/10/20. Since then he's cleaned up his act tremendously. Few if any bad 3's. Much better finishing at the rim and/or drawing fouls. Finding the open man rather than forcing it against double-teams and set defense. And fewer turnovers.

And I still want him on my team.
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Just for clarification sake, my comment pertains to his rebounding prowess at 6'1" over the course of the prior two years. I agree with you though about his improvement. His floor game is so nice right now. The hoop looks twice the size in diameter and everything is in slow motion relative to offensive and defensive reads. CV may just be taking us for a ride into the NCAA tourney.
 
This Board is so black and white. The truth was CV was a hot mess, made bad decisions, took terrible shots, drove recklessly and couldn’t finish. Now, he’s a PoY candidate by transforming in a short period of time like no other player I can remember. It’s nothing short of amazing. I can’t say enough about how special this is, and how wonderful it is for him. He found his true potential just in time.
 
BlueDogs said:
This Board is so black and white. The truth was CV was a hot mess, made bad decisions, took terrible shots, drove recklessly and couldn’t finish. Now, he’s a PoY candidate by transforming in a short period of time like no other player I can remember. It’s nothing short of amazing. I can’t say enough about how special this is, and how wonderful it is for him. He found his true potential just in time.
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I admit. cV drive me insane until prolly like Xmas time this year. Now , these last 5-6 weeks, he’s actually a really really good player. Guy shud get conference poy over precious. We finished ahead of Memphis in the standings to top it off- precious has been here for five months- CV for 4 years - come on you got to give it to the senior
 
wheelerdog said:
Funny you say that. I texted a friend during the game today that he reminds me of a young CV who thought a couple of made shots gave him a permanent green light. He's on the right path
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Yup if B Adams makes his first shot and it's a bomb, it's not always necessarily a good thing for our team. Used to be the case with Vital but he has really matured even in the second part of this year. His relationship with Hurley has changed drastically and I believe Dan Hurley was pushing him on decision making. Loved the way CV talked about Dan Hurley in his senior speech. Their relationship has really improved.
 
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BlueDogs said:
This Board is so black and white. The truth was CV was a hot mess, made bad decisions, took terrible shots, drove recklessly and couldn’t finish. Now, he’s a PoY candidate by transforming in a short period of time like no other player I can remember. It’s nothing short of amazing. I can’t say enough about how special this is, and how wonderful it is for him. He found his true potential just in time.
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Vital had a bad first two years. His last two years have been outstanding.

Last year he had 14pts / 6 rebounds / 2 assists / 2 TO's / 2 steals per game on 45% shooting and 41% from 3

This year he has 16pts / 6 rebounds / 3 assists / 3 TO's / 3 steals per game on 40% shooting and 35% from 3

He's been an outstanding player the last two years.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Vital had a bad first two years. His last two years have been outstanding.

Last year he had 14pts / 6 rebounds / 2 assists / 2 TO's / 2 steals per game on 45% shooting and 41% from 3

This year he has 16pts / 6 rebounds / 3 assists / 3 TO's / 3 steals per game on 40% shooting and 35% from 3

He's been an outstanding player the last two years.
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4.2 and 4.3 bpm are not “bad” by any stretch.

that’s the version of vital that people keep saying he is now. Like 7th or 8th off the bench.
 
the Q said:
4.2 and 4.3 bpm are not “bad” by any stretch.

that’s the version of vital that people keep saying he is now. Like 7th or 8th off the bench.
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RIght, Bad was definitely the wrong word choice. They were decent to good years.
 
uconnbill said:
To me he is the POY in the AAC but they won't give it to him since UConn is leaving. Precious will get it or maybe Cumberland.
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I am biased, I also think CV is POY. There is some thing wrong with the reasoning, if he is not chosen for an individual award because the team is leaving the league and the altenative choice is a player who is a likely one and done.
 
The Christian Vital we've seen the last 5 games is a reliable, clutch, mature, smart winner. There is not but, this is great to watch - love the feeling that he's going to do something - a steal, a drive to the basket, a big 3 - when we need it. This is why teams with seniors do well in March.
 
Pre-Memphis win in Hartford...
Record: 4-7
14.0 / 5.2 / 2.7 with 2.3 steals
.345 / .276 / .918 splits

From Memphis game through ROS...
Record: 6-1
23.9 / 6.3 / 2.1 with 2.7 steals
.481 / .423 / .900 splits

The last seven games have been surreal. He's been, by far, the best player in the conference and those numbers over a full season probably land you on 2nd or 3rd team AA. The hilarity about KenPom's formula is that in this stretch (since this thread was started on Feb 9th) Vital has somehow moved down in his POY rankings. Just another example of why there isn't one be-all, end-all formula to reach conclusions when it comes to sports.

For those curious, these are Precious Achiuwa's numbers over the last seven games.

Record: 4-3
18.3 / 13.0 / 1.4 with 2.1 blks and 1.1 steals
.459 / .273 / .660 splits

To boot, we finished ahead of Memphis in the conference standings.
 
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