2020 Recruiting: Vance Jackson

[glastonbury50]

I kind of feel for Vance. He could have been a lot more if he had better guidance and better coaching. Could be frustrating to watch at times, but the writing on the wall was that he was going to be a great spot up shooter.

 

[casual-yardin]

Reminds me of one of the youtube strength guys who was going over questions from subscribers. One was what to do 'cause can't jump high enough. Guy said usually people want some exotic, gimmick thing like strength shoes for jumping higher. His answer was "don't come to me to ask about this unless you spent your time under the bar (meaning barbell) and can squat twice your weight". Seems like similar answer, before we start talking about arm angle, pivot moves, etc. get in the gym and put some time in playing, shooting, lifting etc. so you have some skills to build on.

Been saying the same thing essentially since he left. I'm fairly sure Ollie didn't literally say "get in the gym" but did say something to that effect i.e. you need a lot of work on your game and body kid (and not the fun kind).

As we can see that still hasn't happened 3 years later.

 

[HuskyFich]

He had to play that much. We didn't have enough players who could play on the perimeter for him to be sat.

I mean not everything needs to be taken 100% at face value man...clearly he was needed and I enjoyed watching him play. Just sayin that sometimes "what you need" and "what you have" is about adapting...
and neither side of this scenario did that well in the long run.

 

[auror]

Reminds me of one of the youtube strength guys who was going over questions from subscribers. One was what to do 'cause can't jump high enough. Guy said usually people want some exotic, gimmick thing like strength shoes for jumping higher. His answer was "don't come to me to ask about this unless you spent your time under the bar (meaning barbell) and can squat twice your weight". Seems like similar answer, before we start talking about arm angle, pivot moves, etc. get in the gym and put some time in playing, shooting, lifting etc. so you have some skills to build on.

"[Jackson] wanted a clear plan going forward," the source said. "He didn't want to transfer, but there was no plan."

YouTube strength guys don't get paid millions to coach like 15 guys total and then not have plans for their improvement.

 

[UofCT]

His freshman year here he was so out of shape and then played well and got a little quicker once he got in shape towards the end of the season. Did he at least get in shape at new mexico?

Didn't he puke after the 1st practice?

 

[Dove]

WANT!!

 

[pj]

"[Jackson] wanted a clear plan going forward," the source said. "He didn't want to transfer, but there was no plan."

YouTube strength guys don't get paid millions to coach like 15 guys total and then not have plans for their improvement.

You're only paying me $200k per kid and you want more than "get in the gym"?

 

[jayteeman]

After a full season of Hurley peaking with the guys all in.....do you really think Vance is all in?.....good god

 

[Austin316]

Hurley’s decision... not the fans.

 

[alexd]

Didn't he puke after the 1st practice?

In JC's days, multiple guys puked DURING the first practice.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Jackson has flaws but I find it How funny that people are trying to justify that terrible generic answer from our head coach the face of the basketball program at the time as an ok answer...wow lol

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Jackson has flaws but I find it How funny that people are trying to justify that terrible generic answer from our head coach the face of the basketball program at the time as an ok answer...wow lol

More or less funny than the people taking his stage parents’ word for it?

Coming out of high school, if you wanted to bet on a kid making multiple transfers or an ill-advised decision to turn pro you could have done a lot worse than betting on Vance Jackson.

I’m no Ollie apologist but absolutely nothing about Vance Jackson makes me think he’d fit with Hurley.

 

[Jbirdp5]

More or less funny than the people taking his stage parents’ word for it?

Coming out of high school, if you wanted to bet on a kid making multiple transfers or an ill-advised decision to turn pro you could have done a lot worse than betting on Vance Jackson.

Never argued if it was true or not, people here treating it as true said that was a good answer from a division 1 head coach, do you find the alleged response to be appropriate for a head coach to make?

 

[Ant3411]

Hard pass. Quinnipiac has some open roster spots!

 

[uconnbill]

I wish him well and a low division one school like a Sacred Heart or similar school.

 

[pj]

Never argued if it was true or not, people here treating it as true said that was a good answer from a division 1 head coach, do you find the alleged response to be appropriate for a head coach to make?

"Get in the gym" is always a good thing for a coach to say, allied with a plan for what to do in the gym and an explanation why it's important. But "there was no plan" is a damning critique of the coach.

 

[Jay-Bone]

So he went from 8 pts as a freshmen at Uconn to 11 pts as a senior at New Mexico. Oof.

Which was a worse trajectory for their careers? Vance to UNM or Oriakhi to Missouri? Thanks dads! At least Enoch became somebody, became a contender.

Vance lucked into extended playing time and experience and then he pissed it away on hubris.

 

[mauconnfan]

"Get in the gym" is always a good thing for a coach to say, allied with a plan for what to do in the gym and an explanation why it's important. But "there was no plan" is a damning critique of the coach.

I missed the fact we know there was no plan. Can someone remind me where we heard that? Was it his father

I mean I watched a couple of games this year and intently watched him it's a shame. The kid is in great shape now, looks cut and thinned out through the middle. Had a couple different hairdos cooking but he should be so much more of an impact than he is. Anyone thinking it's on the UConn or NMSU coach is just lost. The kid doesn't work hard, even worst on the defensive end and he is gifted it's too bad. He has good size, can shoot it and can rebound the ball too. Handles it well enough for his size too but he's missing that ethic which separates the really good ones from the good enough ones.

No interest whatsoever in him ever being a Husky again even with Dan Hurley being able to pummel the best out of him. He's not worthy and most of it has to do with dad from Day 1.

 

[pj]

I missed the fact we know there was no plan. Can someone remind me where we heard that? Was it his father

Yes, of course, and maybe the father was lying or exaggerating. Or maybe KO was a lazy coach. Or both. Not my job to judge these things, but KO seemed to leave a lot of players feeling like the Jacksons.

Re the rest of your post, I agree with your take on Vance. But character issues leads back to recruiting -- are you recruiting the right guys?

 

[Jay-Bone]

I missed the fact we know there was no plan. Can someone remind me where we heard that? Was it his father

I mean I watched a couple of games this year and intently watched him it's a shame. The kid is in great shape now, looks cut and thinned out through the middle. Had a couple different hairdos cooking but he should be so much more of an impact than he is. Anyone thinking it's on the UConn or NMSU coach is just lost. The kid doesn't work hard, even worst on the defensive end and he is gifted it's too bad. He has good size, can shoot it and can rebound the ball too. Handles it well enough for his size too but he's missing that ethic which separates the really good ones from the good enough ones.

No interest whatsoever in him ever being a Husky again even with Dan Hurley being able to pummel the best out of him. He's not worthy and most of it has to do with dad from Day 1.

Somehow Ollie got it out of him, as someone mentioned got him to puke after the first practice. I wonder if some of these kids go to mid-majors where they think they are bigger than the program and are allowed to become lazy. This kid needed somebody in his ear. Some kids badly need a Calhoun to succeed.

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

So he went from 8 pts as a freshmen at Uconn to 11 pts as a senior at New Mexico. Oof.

Which was a worse trajectory for their careers? Vance to UNM or Oriakhi to Missouri? Thanks dads! At least Enoch became somebody, became a contender.

Vance lucked into extended playing time and experience and then he pissed it away on hubris.

Alex Oriakhi had by far the best year of his career (stats wise) at Missouri and went to the NCAA Tournament the year UConn was banned. Weird post

 

[mauconnfan]

Yes, of course, and maybe the father was lying or exaggerating. Or maybe KO was a lazy coach. Or both. Not my job to judge these things, but KO seemed to leave a lot of players feeling like the Jacksons.

Yeah he's averaging 3 more points 4 years later so it was because KO was a lazy coach. Geez maybe the kid doesn't work on any "plan" from any coach, could that be it?

No no it can't be let's blame KO as much as we can. LOL lame!

Maybe blame him for recruiting because pretty much that whole class that transferred didn't accomplish all that much or improve all that much anywhere else? Blame their coaches too?

 

[Jay-Bone]

Alex Oriakhi had by far the best year of his career (stats wise) at Missouri and went to the NCAA Tournament the year UConn was banned. Weird post

Meh, 11.2 pts per game isn't earth shattering. By far? Try slightly better. Weird post. I suppose I was more biased than I remember, but I don't see what was so great about that. Did they go far in the tourney or something?

 

[mauconnfan]

Alex Oriakhi had by far the best year of his career (stats wise) at Missouri and went to the NCAA Tournament the year UConn was banned. Weird post

It was nice of him to come back with a decent year at Mizzou after playing like a disgruntled little child the year prior.

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

Meh, 11.2 pts per game isn't earth shattering. Perhaps I was more biased than I remember, but I don't see what was so great about that. Did they go far in the tourney or something?

15th in the county in Offensive Rating, 11th in the country in eFG %, 6th in the country in TS%, 41st in Offensive Rebounding %, 124th in Defensive Rebounding %, 123rd In Block %, 46th in FT Rate, Shot 64% from the floor, averaged 11.2 Pts.

All of those were career highs.

Led the SEC in Offensive Rating, eFG%, TS%, and FG%, was 3rd in offensive and defensive rebounding %, and 5th in block%.

 

[Jay-Bone]

15th in the county in Offensive Rating, 11th in the country in eFG %, 6th in the country in TS%, 41st in Offensive Rebounding %, 124th in Defensive Rebounding %, 123rd In Block %, 46th in FT Rate, Shot 64% from the floor, averaged 11.2 Pts.

All of those were career highs.

Led the SEC in Offensive Rating, eFG%, TS%, and FG%, was 3rd in offensive and defensive rebounding %, and 5th in block%.

So he had 1.6 more pts than 10-11 and 0.7 less rebounds on a national championship team as a sophomore compared to a senior. By far better?

 

[Kathy]

Somehow Ollie got it out of him, as someone mentioned got him to puke after the first practice. I wonder if some of these kids go to mid-majors where they think they are bigger than the program and are allowed to become lazy. This kid needed somebody in his ear. Some kids badly need a Calhoun to succeed.

His dad would have never tolerated a Calhoun in his ear

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

So he had 1.6 more pts than 10-11 and 0.7 less rebounds on a national championship team as a sophomore compared to a senior. By far better?

Efficiency doesn't matter? He took 100 less shots and scored 2 points more per game.

What's better 20 points on 20 shots a game, or 25 points on 30 shots a game?

Context doesn't matter? UConn had the 7th best defense in 2011 resulting in more missed shots, resulting in more rebounding opportunities which is why he averaged more rebounds in 2011 vs 2013. He actually grabbed a higher percentage of misses in 2013 than he did in 2011. He was a better rebounder.

 

[Jay-Bone]

Efficiency doesn't matter? He took 100 less shots and scored 2 points more per game.

What's better 20 points on 20 shots a game, or 25 points on 30 shots a game?

Sorry, I expect bigger progressions from sophomore year to senior year. Especially going to a less reputable program. If he made such a "by far better" progression he would've got more shots. I had higher hopes for him as a McD AA who had a major impact as a sophomore. But, yes i was biased.

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

Sorry, I expect bigger progressions from sophomore year to senior year. Especially going to a less reputable program. If he made such a "by far better" progression he would've got more shots. I had higher hopes for him as a McD AA who had a major impact as a sophomore. But, yes i was biased.

I appreciate you taking the L