2020 Recruiting: Vance Jackson

[RichZ]

No 5th Natty!

Commas. Have you heard of them? Or are you just being negative?

 

[RichZ]

You know what, if there was an opening and given that he’s a one year rental, I would not be opposed.

But this won’t happen.

That New Mexico program imploded exactly on schedule, didn’t it?

I don't think Hurley would appreciate the meddling parental baggage VJ brings.

 

[Jay-Bone]

I appreciate you taking the L

By calling my post weird, I thought you were going to say he was like 17 and 11 or something. I thought I was going to look foolish. I guess I wasn't that far off after all. thanks for corroborating.

 

[mauconnfan]

Sorry, I expect bigger progressions from sophomore year to senior year. Especially going to a less reputable program. If he made such a "by far better" progression he would've got more shots. I had higher hopes for him as a McD AA who had a major impact as a sophomore. But, yes i was biased.

Sophomore to senior year with an extra year to improve his game and body by sitting out I might add. This is simple for most, kid doesn't get everything he can out of himself he's talented. Anyone seeing anything other than that is blind. Not much different than Enoch quite honestly. Durham actually could have improved the most out of them all, might blame Brey for not using him correctly.

 

[navery12]

By calling my post weird, I thought you were going to say he was like 17 and 11 or something. I thought I was going to look foolish. I guess I wasn't that far off after all. thanks for corroborating.

You're looking at 2 surface level stats and ignoring everything else he posted to disprove your point

 

[Jay-Bone]

You're looking at 2 surface level stats and ignoring everything else he posted to disprove your point

So? Also, what was disproved? He went from a very serviceable big man as a sophomore on a national championship team at a blue blood school where the world was his oyster to a very serviceable big man as a senior on a tourney team at a mid level P5 school. You guys are acting like he became Emeka Okafor. He did get drafted though at least. He gets benefit of the doubt over Vance because of the post season ban and I conceded my own personal fanboy bias, but I don't recall him becoming a superstar at Mizzou. Maybe I missed it. I thought he really could've become a great big man at UConn.

 

[OEBulldog]

If I remember correctly........wasn't his transfer also related to the postseason ban on UConn his senior year? I think immediate eligibility was granted for both he and Roscoe at UNLV?

 

[Fishy]

I don't think Hurley would appreciate the meddling parental baggage VJ brings.

When you’ve transferred twice and do not have another year left, parental leverage is somewhere south of zero.

He’s not coming here, but people who keep projecting dad’s behavior onto the kid are swinging and missing. No one who has dealt with him has anything other than good things to stay about him.

 

[businesslawyer]

I mean not everything needs to be taken 100% at face value man...clearly he was needed and I enjoyed watching him play. Just sayin that sometimes "what you need" and "what you have" is about adapting...
and neither side of this scenario did that well in the long run.

Good God, KO is long gone -- can we stop forcing silly interpretations to make up stuff about why he should be gone?

In the context of everything the father said on social media and to reporters, the only rational interpretation of

So he went from 8 pts as a freshmen at Uconn to 11 pts as a senior at New Mexico. Oof.

Which was a worse trajectory for their careers? Vance to UNM or Oriakhi to Missouri? Thanks dads! At least Enoch became somebody, became a contender.

Vance lucked into extended playing time and experience and then he pissed it away on hubris.

Please stop. You are actually comparing someone who was an incredibly important player on a national championship team to someone who got to start as a frosh on a bad team. Yes, they both have fathers who couldn't keep their traps shut and ended up transferring. That's the end of the comparison. The Oriakhis were not delusional.

 

[CL82]

The kid is in great shape now, looks cut and thinned out through the middle.

So you are saying he got in the gym?

 

[CL82]

Good God, KO is long gone -- can we stop forcing silly interpretations to make up stuff about why he should be gone?

Is okay if we wait until he isn't in arbitration or litigating against the school, because I think that extends the statute of limitations on referencing his coaching while he was here.

(FWIW, I generally don't like the gratuitous KO reference, but it seems fair game in a Vance thread.)

 

[Doctor Hoop]

"Get in the gym" is always a good thing for a coach to say, allied with a plan for what to do in the gym and an explanation why it's important. But "there was no plan" is a damning critique of the coach.

Nobody writing here really knows whether there were more detailed recommendations, a "plan." If we can agree that “get in the gym" is the start of a plan then Ollie told him something useful. Whether he told him more than that is up for conjecture.

 

[UofCT]

Nobody writing here really knows whether there were more detailed recommendations, a "plan." If we can agree that “get in the gym" is the start of a plan then Ollie told him something useful. Whether he told him more than that is up for conjecture.

LOL at Ollie having a plan.

 

[Jay-Bone]

Please stop. You are actually comparing someone who was an incredibly important player on a national championship team to someone who got to start as a frosh on a bad team. Yes, they both have fathers who couldn't keep their traps shut and ended up transferring. That's the end of the comparison. The Oriakhis were not delusional.

Who is transfers that really bother you?

The sad thing is everyone was so into proving Alex's awesome Mizzou stats, that they missed my sweet On The Waterfront reference.

I'm going back to the Cesspool where its less confrontational and everyone is on the same side (except Calluke and Kolumbo). Its too high strung and abrasive over here.

 

[mauconnfan]

When you’ve transferred twice and do not have another year left, parental leverage is somewhere south of zero.

He’s not coming here, but people who keep projecting dad’s behavior onto the kid are swinging and missing. No one who has dealt with him has anything other than good things to stay about him.

Good things to say about Vance or his dad? Or both? Interesting.

 

[HuskyFich]

Good God, KO is long gone -- can we stop forcing silly interpretations to make up stuff about why he should be gone?

Is okay if we wait until he isn't in arbitration or litigating against the school, because I think that extends the statute of limitations on referencing his coaching while he was here.

(FWIW, I generally don't like the gratuitous KO reference, but it seems fair game in a Vance thread.)

@businesslawyer KO isn't long gone, still very heavily in this arbitration mess. This is a thread about Vance Jackson, a former KO recruit who left because of displeasure with his coach, also KO.


Get off your damn soap box.

 

[the Q]

So he went from 8 pts as a freshmen at Uconn to 11 pts as a senior at New Mexico. Oof.

Which was a worse trajectory for their careers? Vance to UNM or Oriakhi to Missouri? Thanks dads! At least Enoch became somebody, became a contender.

Vance lucked into extended playing time and experience and then he pissed it away on hubris.

I’m liking this for the on the waterfront reference.

 

[Fishy]

Good things to say about Vance or his dad? Or both? Interesting.

Vance.

I am sure his dad is not a bad guy, but obviously a stage dad.

 

[mauconnfan]

Vance.

I am sure his dad is not a bad guy, but obviously a stage dad.

Yeah you know what, when you watch him he hardly changes his face. That's good and bad right? I mean he doesn't show much frustration, celebration or anything no matter what's going on. Without knowing he might just like the game and not love it! Anyway thanks interesting kid.

 

[methodology]

Maybe he'll go to Iona to play for Pitino

 

[Dove]

I made a point to check him out twice this past season. Vance Jr is like that boring friend you have. When they enter a room they're just...there.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

LOL at Ollie having a plan.

I didn't say he gave one to Jackson, other than "get in the gym." But I also don't know that Ollie, or his staff, didn't. And neither do you.

 

[auror]

I didn't say he gave one to Jackson, other than "get in the gym." But I also don't know that Ollie, or his staff, didn't. And neither do you.

Well I have a direct quote from a secondary source saying he didn't, and no evidence otherwise.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Yeah he's averaging 3 more points 4 years later so it was because KO was a lazy coach. Geez maybe the kid doesn't work on any "plan" from any coach, could that be it?

No no it can't be let's blame KO as much as we can. LOL lame!

Maybe blame him for recruiting because pretty much that whole class that transferred didn't accomplish all that much or improve all that much anywhere else? Blame their coaches too?

As weird as it is for people bashing a kid who’s been gone for two years and is irrelevant to us now, how passionately you are defending KO is just as weird. What’s with the over the top lovefest for KO?

 

[mauconnfan]

As weird as it is for people bashing a kid who’s been gone for two years and is irrelevant to us now, how passionately you are defending KO is just as weird. What’s with the over the top lovefest for KO?

It's weird that you think it's a lovefest. Just stating a simple fact, try reading it. No one knows if he gave kids a plan or not, do you? If you lose the hatred of the man you will remember if nothing else he was an early riser, always preparing to be better in his workouts and in the gym. I'm guessing he left kids with a plan for the summer, just assuming. Certainly not saying he coached them better at the end. Other than that if you have first hand knowledge please feel free to show me I'm wrong? Or else relax on the lovefest crap!

 

[7774]

It's weird that you think it's a lovefest. Just stating a simple fact, try reading it. No one knows if he gave kids a plan or not, do you? If you lose the hatred of the man you will remember if nothing else he was an early riser, always preparing to be better in his workouts and in the gym. I'm guessing he left kids with a plan for the summer, just assuming. Certainly not saying he coached them better at the end. Other than that if you have first hand knowledge please feel free to show me I'm wrong? Or else relax on the lovefest crap!

Well the on court results the last couple years of the KO era looked exactly like players were told "get in the gym" and not much else.

I guess you think it's more likely we had an entire team full of guys not willing to work hard than it is we had a coach without a real plan? Even with some of the other stuff that went on under KO at the end? That seems unlikely, just based upon, you know, math.

But I guess the Jackson family could have been lying. They really get no big benefit out of lying in that situation, it's not like the Dukes of the world were going to be asking him to transfer there either way. But it's possible they are lying about it.

 

[mauconnfan]

Well the on court results the last couple years of the KO era looked exactly like players were told "get in the gym" and not much else.

I guess you think it's more likely we had an entire team full of guys not willing to work hard than it is we had a coach without a real plan? Even with some of the other stuff that went on under KO at the end? That seems unlikely, just based upon, you know, math.

But I guess the Jackson family could have been lying. They really get no big benefit out of lying in that situation, it's not like the Dukes of the world were going to be asking him to transfer there either way. But it's possible they are lying about it.

I'm sure they weren't lying completely about the "plan." But they also discussed, or dad did, KO wasn't utilizing Vance correctly at that time. Was that the plan they speak of and not what he needed to do to improve in the summer? Who knows.

Anyway who cares this has gone too far I need to get back to my lovefest, with Captain Morgan!

 

[Jbirdp5]

It's weird that you think it's a lovefest. Just stating a simple fact, try reading it. No one knows if he gave kids a plan or not, do you? If you lose the hatred of the man you will remember if nothing else he was an early riser, always preparing to be better in his workouts and in the gym. I'm guessing he left kids with a plan for the summer, just assuming. Certainly not saying he coached them better at the end. Other than that if you have first hand knowledge please feel free to show me I'm wrong? Or else relax on the lovefest crap!

I don’t know if I should even bother making a point to someone who said ollies advice of getting in the gym was good advice. I have no hatred of Ollie, I woulda rode with him for another year. But the way your crushing on Vance to save face for KO is silly. Sorry if using the word lovefest offended you but that’s the tone I got from reading ur post.
Vance was a good kid when he was here. Don’t know if he changed after leaving.

 

[mauconnfan]

I don’t know if I should even bother making a point to someone who said ollies advice of getting in the gym was good advice. I have no hatred of Ollie, I woulda rode with him for another year. But the way your crushing on Vance to save face for KO is silly. Sorry if using the word lovefest offended you but that’s the tone I got from reading ur post.
Vance was a good kid when he was here. Don’t know if he changed after leaving.

Crushing on him for what? Who has the love fest now? Stop this we won't agree at all.

If you thought the kid was a good kid then great, he probably was and I never said he wasn't. Fishy actually confirmed he was a good kid. If you thought he played really hard you are wrong, he didn't and he still doesn't. Have at it, I'm through.

EDIT: I walked away but thought of something else. To defend Vance from my point of "not playing hard" he didn't have the same coach who was an assistant to JC and then won a title so maybe he wasn't forced to play hard like a JC or Dan Hurley would. Maybe there was too much leniency due to the lost of focus as a coach so not all on Vance on the court or off so I will walk away thinking the blame should be shared. But again, enough!

 

[7774]

I don’t know if I should even bother making a point to someone who said ollies advice of getting in the gym was good advice. I have no hatred of Ollie, I woulda rode with him for another year. But the way your crushing on Vance to save face for KO is silly. Sorry if using the word lovefest offended you but that’s the tone I got from reading ur post.
Vance was a good kid when he was here. Don’t know if he changed after leaving.

It's hilarious. The last couple years under KO we looked like we had no real definitive plan in terms of recruiting, player development, pre game prep, in game adjustments, or following NCAA rules. Yet when Jackson says he was given no real off season plan beyond "get in the gym" people are this board are like "hurr durr, there's no way to even take an educated guess on whether or not he got an actual plan, we'll just never know. Vance's dad said KO wasn't utilizing his son correctly so we're just going to ignore every other piece of information available".