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USC and UCLA to the BIG Ten

Hoophound said:
I don’t see how the B1G doesn’t want FSU. Not being in Florida and Texas is the one huge weakness of the conference.
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Agreed. I think Florida State and Miami have a good chance to be B1G targets because of this.

If you look at Texas, TCU and Baylor would be the best options, but I do not see either school having a chance at a B1G invite.
 
Hoophound said:
I don’t see how the B1G doesn’t want FSU. Not being in Florida and Texas is the one huge weakness of the conference.
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Yeah, I’m in agreement with this one. I think University of Florida is the most desired Florida school but that ain’t happening. FSU is the next best thing.

Honestly, if we are looking at the next round I would put FSU in the top 4 for the Big10. Whether the feeling is mutual, I couldn’t tell you.

If I were the making the decisions and were to take any feasible 4 (not including Notre Dame), I would say UNC, FSU, Washington and Oregon (in that order) with Oregon being the least desirable. I could be talked into Utah or ASU as the other west coast team over OU.
 
The irony! George Kliavkoff was holding out hope that the UC Board of Regents would stop UCLA from joining the B1G. Turns out, the Regents wanted the PAC 12 to blow up and get Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon into the B1G.

Interesting to see how the media rights negotiations will go when everyone is looking for greener pastures and won’t want tied down to a long term GOR.

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Big Ten Was Pushed To Add More PAC-12 Teams

The UC Regents were ready to blow up the PAC-12. The regents pushed the Big Ten to take more teams, including Stanford and Oregon.
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dayooper said:
Yeah, I’m in agreement with this one. I think University of Florida is the most desired Florida school but that ain’t happening. FSU is the next best thing.

Honestly, if we are looking at the next round I would put FSU in the top 4 for the Big10. Whether the feeling is mutual, I couldn’t tell you.

If I were the making the decisions and were to take any feasible 4 (not including Notre Dame), I would say UNC, FSU, Washington and Oregon (in that order) with Oregon being the least desirable. I could be talked into Utah or ASU as the other west coast team over OU.
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I think Stanford would be a good fit
The Northwestern of the West
 
Rufus said:
This article has some good info. At the end, it talks about how little the regents know about college sports.
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They knew enough to get out of the way. College football has become bigger than college.
 
This article gives good insight into the need for the B1G to recruit football players nationally, which fits the narrative of the B1G calling itself a national conference.

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Where the players are state-by-state: Why the Big Ten must (continue to) recruit nationally

The Big Ten's most ambitious programs will have to beat the SEC on its home turf to reach the promised land.
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For the current recruiting cycle, here are the states with the most 4 and 5 star talent:

Top 10 states for top-level talent (4-star or better): Florida (79), Texas (69), Georgia (40), California (30), Alabama (22), Louisiana (18), North Carolina (16), Ohio (11), Tennessee (10), Missouri (10).

Next 15: Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), Maryland (8), Virginia (8), Arizona (8), Illinois (6), New Jersey (6), Mississippi (6), Oklahoma (5), Indiana (5), South Carolina (5), Massachusetts (5), Kansas (5), Washington (4), Nevada (4).


Florida has nearly double the talent of third place Georgia. I think this is one reason Florida State and Miami would be B1G targets for expansion.

With Texas, Neither Texas or A&M would be available. Would the B1G go after a TCU or Baylor? To me, that’s a stretch. But you can’t overlook the importance of the state of Texas here.

In Georgia, Georgia Tech is AAU and for that reason, would have to be on the list of possible expansion teams for the B1G, just not at the top of the list.

California is fourth and the B1G now has that state covered.
 
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Rufus said:
This article gives good insight into the need for the B1G to recruit football players nationally, which fits the narrative of the B1G calling itself a national conference.

saturdaytradition.com

Where the players are state-by-state: Why the Big Ten must (continue to) recruit nationally

The Big Ten's most ambitious programs will have to beat the SEC on its home turf to reach the promised land.
saturdaytradition.com

For the current recruiting cycle, here are the states with the most 4 and 5 star talent:

Top 10 states for top-level talent (4-star or better): Florida (79), Texas (69), Georgia (40), California (30), Alabama (22), Louisiana (18), North Carolina (16), Ohio (11), Tennessee (10), Missouri (10).

Next 15: Michigan (9), Pennsylvania (8), Maryland (8), Virginia (8), Arizona (8), Illinois (6), New Jersey (6), Mississippi (6), Oklahoma (5), Indiana (5), South Carolina (5), Massachusetts (5), Kansas (5), Washington (4), Nevada (4).


Florida has nearly double the talent of third place Georgia. I think this is one reason Florida State and Miami would be B1G targets for expansion.

With Texas, Neither Texas or A&M would be available. Would the B1G go after a TCU or Baylor? To me, that’s a stretch. But you can’t overlook the importance of the state of Texas here.

In Georgia, Georgia Tech is AAU and for that reason, would have to be on the list of possible expansion teams for the B1G, just not at the top of the list.

California is fourth and the B1G now has that state covered.
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Was Texas to the B1G ever an option? That seems to have been the key play.
 
Kolumbo said:
Was Texas to the B1G ever an option? That seems to have been the key play.
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I was too young to know at the time, but I have heard that Texas inquired about joining the B1G right after Penn State joined and before the SWC blew up. Not sure if it was before Arkansas left for the SEC or after. The B1G decided to not add any more teams at the time as a negotiating point to add Penn State in the first place. Apparently, Northwestern was apprehensive about adding Penn State for fear the B1G would want to remain at ten and Penn State in would mean someone would have to be out. The conference assured them this was not the case, but agreed to not add any more schools to get Northwestern to agree to adding Penn State. That one vote was crucial for having the votes to add Penn State in the first place. This is my understanding of how this all went down, but I was just a kid at the time.
 
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Not a realignment rumor (at least new teams), but the word from the Car Wash is that the Big10 will be going with a 3-6 scheduling model (3 protected and 6 rotating) in 2024. I have only heard Michigan’s 3 rumored protected games and they are OSU, MSU and Minnesota. The 1st 2 are obvious and Minnesota plays Michigan for The Little Brown Jug.

Not that it means anything, but there is a certain group of hardcore Michigan fans that have noticed UConn’s athletic merit. It’s just fans talking, but they are noticing. You all are doing something right.
 
dayooper said:
Not a realignment rumor (at least new teams), but the word from the Car Wash is that the Big10 will be going with a 3-6 scheduling model (3 protected and 6 rotating) in 2024. I have only heard Michigan’s 3 rumored protected games and they are OSU, MSU and Minnesota. The 1st 2 are obvious and Minnesota plays Michigan for The Little Brown Jug.

Not that it means anything, but there is a certain group of hardcore Michigan fans that have noticed UConn’s athletic merit. It’s just fans talking, but they are noticing. You all are doing something right.
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I would have guessed the three games for Michigan every year would have been MSU, OSU, and PSU - basically have the three consistently best programs (Michigan, OSU, PSU) play each other every year if nothing else for TV. In this latest incarnation of B1G scheduling I think there are already trophy games that are no longer played every year so I didn't think that would be a consideration.
 
If I had to guess, OSU's would be Mich, PSU and MD. PSU's would be OSU, MSU, and Rutgers.
 
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dayooper said:
Not a realignment rumor (at least new teams), but the word from the Car Wash is that the Big10 will be going with a 3-6 scheduling model (3 protected and 6 rotating) in 2024. I have only heard Michigan’s 3 rumored protected games and they are OSU, MSU and Minnesota. The 1st 2 are obvious and Minnesota plays Michigan for The Little Brown Jug.

Not that it means anything, but there is a certain group of hardcore Michigan fans that have noticed UConn’s athletic merit. It’s just fans talking, but they are noticing. You all are doing something right.
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What do you think of the 3–6 scheduling model? Obviously, the big 10 is the gold standard of conference management and intelligent realignment, Rutgers notwithstanding, but I think the cost of mega-conferences inevitably means the loss of rivalries, and semi rivalries that you get with a smaller conference.

Thanks for the kind words, we’ve noticed that you all are doing something right as well. ;)
 
hoopsfan22 said:
I would have guessed the three games for Michigan every year would have been MSU, OSU, and PSU - basically have the three consistently best programs (Michigan, OSU, PSU) play each other every year if nothing else for TV. In this latest incarnation of B1G scheduling I think there are already trophy games that are no longer played every year so I didn't think that would be a consideration.
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Eh, the majority of the Big10 (not Michigan, OSU, PSU and now USC/UCLA) would not be for that. They need the big 3 to come to their stadiums and making all 3 protected with each other would lose the rest of the schools money. I’m more surprised that one of Cali schools isn’t protected with UM but The Little Brown Jug is important to both UM and Minnesota.

My guess at protected rivalries for a few of the schools.

OSU - Michigan, Illinois (The IlliniBuck rivalry is important to Illinois and on the radar for OSU) and maybe UCLA

PSU - Rutgers, Maryland (East Coast games) and USC

USC - UCLA, Nebraska and PSU

UCLA - USC, OSU and Iowa

Iowa and Nebraska are the closest schools to the West Coast teams).

In the 3-6 set up, you play the other 12 teams twice in a 4 year span so they still will see them often.
 
SubbaBub said:
If I had to guess, OSU's would be Mich, PSU and MD. PSU's would be OSU, MSU, and Rutgers.
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Trade out MD for Illinois as OSU’s protected and you could be very right.
 
CL82 said:
What do you think of the 3–6 scheduling model? Obviously, the big 10 is the gold standard of conference management and intelligent realignment, Rutgers notwithstanding, but I think the cost of mega-conferences inevitably means the loss of rivalries, and semi rivalries that you get with a smaller conference.

Thanks for the kind words, we’ve noticed that you all are doing something right as well. ;)
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Not sure the Big10 is the model (the first try at divisions was useless and their reaction to Covid in 2020 almost got Warren fired). I think the 3-6 model is the best fit when USC/UCLA enter the conference in 2024. It allows better protection for rivalry games (we have hardly played Minnesota since we went to 14 teams) and gives flexibility to have the schools see each other more often than large divisions. I think that flexibility will bring more cohesion within the conference and be better prepared if/when more expansion happens.

If more expansion does happen, I believe we will go to a 10 game conference schedule and how that will look is beyond me. Maybe go to a pod style where (if 20 teams) there are 5 teams per pod, they play another pod (9 games) and the extra game is a protected rivalry when they aren’t in the same pod? Who knows?

As far as UM’s success the last 2 years, we are loving the ride. The RichRod/Hoke years humbled us and now I take nothing for granted. I have learned some of the interworkings of the RichRod regime and all I will say is that I am glad he is gone and hope he never comes back to UM. (It’s not football reasons either).
 
bobbyinaz said:
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I know there are many in Big10 Country that will want to help pack his office. I believe he was brought in for 1 reason and that was to negotiate the new media deal. With that done, he may want to move on.
 
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In the 11-team B1G, OSU’s 3 protected rivals were Michigan, Penn State and Illinois.
 
Rufus said:
In the 11-team B1G, OSU’s 3 protected rivals were Michigan, Penn State and Illinois.
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OSU-PSU is the second biggest game in the conference behind OSU-Michigan. OSU-PSU usually gets a prime time TV slot, and a high profile visit from ESPN's College GameDay. Hard for me to believe the conference wouldn't want to protect that just so OSU can play an annual game against Illinois and UCLA in front of 10,000 fans.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
OSU-PSU is the second biggest game in the conference behind OSU-Michigan. OSU-PSU usually gets a prime time TV slot, and a high profile visit from ESPN's College GameDay. Hard for me to believe the conference wouldn't want to protect that just so OSU can play an annual game against Illinois and UCLA in front of 10,000 fans.
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Does OSU want to have 2 of their 3 protected rivals as Michigan and PSU? The biggest issue with the divisions when OSU and Michigan weren’t together is it put both of them at a disadvantage. They had to play each other while other schools didn’t have as hard of a road.

You also have to include USC as well. It’s why I put the PSU/ USC game as a protected rivalry. They will still play each other twice in four years. Throw on PSU to OSU’s protected schedule and the years when they play USC just became that much harder. Imagine if Alabama played Georgia every year. What a payday it would be for the SEC/ESPN. Why don’t they do it? It puts those 2 at a competitive disadvantage.

The contract is signed. If having PSU/OSU as a protected rivalry was negotiated, it will happen. If it’s not, why would OSU agree to it?
 
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Q: How is USC’s and UCLA’s move to the Big Ten in 2024 going to change things for these teams on the court? What pluses, minuses or issues does the move present for basketball that are different from, say, football?

Adam: The biggest thing is road games and travel. Unlike football, the bulk of basketball travel is done during winter months, and teams usually are gone three to four nights, compared to two-night football trips. Those trips to Lincoln, State College, New Brunswick and Ann Arbor could be very draining for the two L.A. schools.

Tarek: Short answer. It’s a money move that makes all the sense in the world. The TV deal is going to be $1 billion, with a B. UCLA hoops and USC football recruit pro-minded prospects. The travel is no different than their foundational goal of being a pro.
 
Rufus said:
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AMP 97.1 FM making a ‘Morning Mess’ by airing LA version of Arizona show

The Phoenix-based morning show will debut on Aug. 3 and feature a Los Angeles edition with curated local content.
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Q: How is USC’s and UCLA’s move to the Big Ten in 2024 going to change things for these teams on the court? What pluses, minuses or issues does the move present for basketball that are different from, say, football?

Adam: The biggest thing is road games and travel. Unlike football, the bulk of basketball travel is done during winter months, and teams usually are gone three to four nights, compared to two-night football trips. Those trips to Lincoln, State College, New Brunswick and Ann Arbor could be very draining for the two L.A. schools.

Tarek: Short answer. It’s a money move that makes all the sense in the world. The TV deal is going to be $1 billion, with a B. UCLA hoops and USC football recruit pro-minded prospects. The travel is no different than their foundational goal of being a pro.
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Working the employees (the student athletes) harder to make more money for their employer with no change in pay. The athletes need a union and a collective bargaining agreement. And travel time should be subtracted from practice time using some sort of formula. Want to travel coast to coast? That will cost you some practice time or some other compensation for the extra hours.
 
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