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USC and UCLA to the BIG Ten

nelsonmuntz said:
And the NFL and NBA will just let a bunch of colleges create a product that is competitive with theirs. Right.

If a minor league ever becomes a viable product, the NBA and NFL will just step in and do it themselves. The NBA is already moving in that direction.
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What are the NFL and NBA going to do about it? They’re already living with big time college football and basketball and they might actually view it as complimentar.

Make no doubt about it, college athletics is moving squarely to a professional model and the money involved is huge and growing.
 
freescooter said:
I didn’t say we would be better off in the AAC. This is about the future. But we won’t be better off in the NEWBIE either for the reasons I listed and others. We need to do everything in the university’s power to get into a major all sports conference.
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You are correct, but it appears that no P5 invite is on the horizon for UConn, so it will have to be the NEWBIE for a long time to come. There is no choice for UConn at this time.
 
Kolumbo said:
First, UCONN Basketball is doing much better in the N BE than in the AAC. Strangely enough, it is also doing much better than our former BE mates who are floundering in the ACC.

Second, I think UCONN will be fine because if things continue to change at this pace, the landscape will look drastically different in 5-10 years. Ideally they separate football from olympic sports and go back to regional conferences which only makes far too much sense.
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Coming off of the rejection by the ACC, UConn nation never was able to warm to the AAC. It was a slow downward spiral in all sports in that conference. I believe UConn nation would still welcome an ACC invite and I also believe that unlike our former backstabbing BE mates, UConn would be competitive in most sports in the ACC immediately. I do understand based on a recent article I believe by Dom Amore that a P5 invite is not on the horizon for UConn, so we all need to make the best of what it is now and not expect much change for a long time.
 
buddy said:
Coming off of the rejection by the ACC, UConn nation never was able to warm to the AAC. It was a slow downward spiral in all sports in that conference. I believe UConn nation would still welcome an ACC invite and I also believe that unlike our former backstabbing BE mates, UConn would be competitive in most sports in the ACC immediately. I do understand based on a recent article I believe by Dom Amore that a P5 invite is not on the horizon for UConn, so we all need to make the best of what it is now and not expect much change for a long time.
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P5? What is this P5 you speak of. UCONN has no shot at the P2. The other conferences, who knows what will happen.
 
Kolumbo said:
P5? What is this P5 you speak of. UCONN has no shot at the P2. The other conferences, who knows what will happen.
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The P2 will be when USC and UCLA join the B1G and Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC. Until then, there is still the P5. I do agree that down the pike there may be a realignment of conferences in regional networks, but it is likely not soon as the ACC should remain intact until 2036 if the GOR holds.
 
The SEC and B1G have robust conference networks that air Olympic sports. P2 schools will not be part of any realignment into regional networks in the future for those sports.
 
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247sports.com

Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff bemoans leaked letter that pleaded for UCLA's Big Ten move to be blocked

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George Kliavkoff making more outrageous claims........

He calls Big Ten revenue for UCLA a "small delta" before factoring in added expenses.

He claims the next PAC 12 media rights deal will "close the gap" with the B1G and SEC.

My thoughts......the PAC 12 is moving too slow when it comes to expansion. The Big 12 replaced Texas and Oklahoma within a few weeks of their announced departure. We are 4 months into the news of USC and UCLA leaving for the B1G and no expansion has been announced in the PAC 12 yet. The Big 12 is aggressive. If the corner schools don't join the Big 12, I can see the Big 12 making an offer to San Diego State to gain access to Southern California - and to keep the PAC 12 out of it. Big 12 already wants to be in all four time zones. Only one missing now is Pacific.
 
buddy said:
The P2 will be when USC and UCLA join the B1G and Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC. Until then, there is still the P5. I do agree that down the pike there may be a realignment of conferences in regional networks, but it is likely not soon as the ACC should remain intact until 2036 if the GOR holds.
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I disagree. The P2 exists today because every decision taking place today is based on the fact that the B1G and SEC are the two big boys tables. All the other conferences including PAC and XII are trying to keep their heads above water. The ACC may hold out but there will be plenty of movement elsewhere.

That's also why I referenced the 5-10 year landscape. Saying a P5 invite is not on the horizon doesn't concern me since that horizon is only what 1-2 years and is really moot.
 
Rufus said:
The SEC and B1G have robust conference networks that air Olympic sports. P2 schools will not be part of any realignment into regional networks in the future for those sports.
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The irony is that the University of California has supposedly pledged to become "carbon neutral" by 2025 while planning to fly its teams cross country on a regular basis. That doesn't sound "sustainable."
 
Kolumbo said:
I disagree. The P2 exists today because every decision taking place today is based on the fact that the B1G and SEC are the two big boys tables. All the other conferences including PAC and XII are trying to keep their heads above water. The ACC may hold out but there will be plenty of movement elsewhere.

That's also why I referenced the 5-10 year landscape. Saying a P5 invite is not on the horizon doesn't concern me since that horizon is only what 1-2 years and is really moot.
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I think the only possible landing place eventually for UConn will be the ACC and that is a long way away. The Big 12 has already rejected UConn, and the PAC 12 is too far away. There may be movement elsewhere, but it won't unfortunately involve UConn, unless somehow the ACC manages to break up before the GOR.
 
buddy said:
I think the only possible landing place eventually for UConn will be the ACC and that is a long way away. The Big 12 has already rejected UConn, and the PAC 12 is too far away. There may be movement elsewhere, but it won't unfortunately involve UConn, unless somehow the ACC manages to break up before the GOR.
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The Big 12 rejected everyone. Then its top brands decided to leave and it reacted. Nothing is written in stone so who knows.
 
Kolumbo said:
The Big 12 rejected everyone. Then its top brands decided to leave and it reacted. Nothing is written in stone so who knows.
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Yet they subsequently took Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, and Houston. as they were given a call back. No call back for UConn. Where was ESPN? They supported no expansion the first time and even suggested that the Big 12 take UConn that time if they did expand. But silence from them since.
 
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buddy said:
Yet they subsequently took Cincinnati, UCF, BYU, and Houston. as they were given a call back. No call back for UConn. Where was ESPN? They supported no expansion the first time and even suggested that the Big 12 take UConn that time if they did expand. But silence from them since.
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LOL, we haven’t gotten any invites from the Pac 12 either. To be honest I’m not sure Connecticut should have taken it, if I offered. It’s a horrid that geographic fit for us and we’ve “been there and done that“ about being in a middle America league with which we have no natural rivals. At that time without Oklahoma and Texas the big 12 looked to be vulnerable to consolidation, i.e., the weakest of the P5. After the raid on the Pac 12 it may no longer be.

The ACC at least has two northeastern schools, along with some traditional basketball powers. it would be a better fit for us in many ways. I’m not at all sure, though, that the ACC remains a power conference. The GOR was necessary to keep the conference together, but you now have a group of schools increasingly desperate to leave as their media deal doesn’t keep pace with the big boys. The conventional wisdom is that the strongest of the ACC teams will leave once the GOR runs down a little bit and Connecticut will end up in a conference with those who do not. Not optimal, but it is what it is.
 
CL82 said:
LOL, we haven’t gotten any invites from the Pac 12 either. To be honest I’m not sure Connecticut should have taken it, if I offered. It’s a horrid that geographic fit for us and we’ve “been there and done that“ about being in a middle America league with which we have no natural rivals. At that time without Oklahoma and Texas the big 12 looked to be vulnerable to consolidation, i.e., the weakest of the P5. After the raid on the Pac 12 it may no longer be.

The ACC at least has two northeastern schools, along with some traditional basketball powers. it would be a better fit for us in many ways. I’m not at all sure, though, that the ACC remains a power conference. The GOR was necessary to keep the conference together, but you now have a group of schools increasingly desperate to leave as their media deal doesn’t keep pace with the big boys. The conventional wisdom is that the strongest of the ACC teams will leave once the GOR runs down a little bit and Connecticut will end up in a conference with those who do not. Not optimal, but it is what it is.
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You are logical as usual with a little bit of sarcasm. Of course when OK and TX left the Big 12 and they had to expand, no one saw the the B1G would then take UCLA and USC and totally change the landscape of college athletics. I say that UConn could have lobbied ESPN to get a Big 12 invite when Cinci, UCF, BYU, and Houston were invited because I think it would be better for UConn to already be a member of a power conference with a sizable payday when the ACC implodes as there may be no ACC left to join. Can one speculate who will be leftover in the ACC? I suspect only BC, Wake and Duke will be left.
 
buddy said:
You are logical as usual with a little bit of sarcasm. Of course when OK and TX left the Big 12 and they had to expand, no one saw the the B1G would then take UCLA and USC and totally change the landscape of college athletics. I say that UConn could have lobbied ESPN to get a Big 12 invite when Cinci, UCF, BYU, and Houston were invited because I think it would be better for UConn to already be a member of a power conference with a sizable payday when the ACC implodes as there may be no ACC left to join. Can one speculate who will be leftover in the ACC? I suspect only BC, Wake and Duke will be left.
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Yeah, I’m not so sure that that really is a better alternative for us. The American sucked for us. The travel was a grind and nobody really cared about opponents. Granted the big 12 has some more interesting teams but I’m not sure it would be worth it given the then apparent unstability.
 
Has anyone ever heard of the Couz? Stumbled upon his vids today.

 
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news.yahoo.com

Chip Kelly: Pac-12 after dark hurts UCLA stars' chances of winning national awards

UCLA coach Chip Kelly lamented late Pac-12 kickoff times drastically limit how many people watch stars Zach Charbonnet and Dorian Thompson-Robinson.
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UCLA’s move to the Big Ten in 2024 is expected to generate earlier kickoff times for conference games. One person with knowledge of the proposed scheduling models not authorized to comment publicly because they have not been finalized said that most games would start earlier in the day, with an occasional start in the late-night television window.

“That’s why I’ll commend our administration about that move to the Big Ten,” Kelly said of the increased viewership that comes with earlier starts. “There’s a huge monetary gain going to the Big Ten, but I think the exposure that our student-athletes get — and that’s what our goal is all the time, the main thing has to be about our student-athletes — and the more exposure we can get our student-athletes by moving to that league is a really cool deal.”
 
I imagine the B1G will alternate having USC and UCLA on the road. Road team gets an earlier start in an eastern time zone, home team gets a night game. This will allow the B1G to have games going from noon until midnight every Saturday by staggering the start times and networks.
 
tucson.com

UCLA icon Bill Walton breaks silence, roasts school over Big Ten move that’s 'about money'

Bill Walton, silent on the matter for four months, issued a statement Tuesday that was obtained by the Pac-12 Hotline.
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""I don’t believe that joining the Big 10 is in the best interest of UCLA, its students, its athletes, its alumni, its fans, the rest of the UC system, the State of California, or the world at large," wrote Walton, one of the most iconic athletes in Pac-12 history and an NBA Hall of Famer."

  • this proposed move to the Big 10, is all about football, and money,
  • what about all the other 24 sports and 600+student-athletes at UCLA, who are responsible for 99+% of UCLA’s National Championships,
 
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Kolumbo said:
This info sounds familiar

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So I listened to this podcast in its entirety & had two thoughts:
1. While the host mentioned Storr's proximity to Boston when he said that UConn's media area would be the XII's 5th largest if added, he made no mention of the Huskies's proximity to New York City. I don't think that he had any clue about UConn's contract with SNY & its fanbase in New York along the Nutmeg State's western border.
2.This podcast was recorded in July: with the progress the football team has already made, & with our future expectations of what could happen in the last 3 games of the season, I have visions of the host being serenaded by Toby Keith singing "How do you like be NOW?"!

As to his comments about UConn not being a cultural fit because Connecticut is a Blue State, What does that have to do with athletic competition? The only point that matters is getting the Huskies into a more stable financial situation & the XII has just finished negotiating its pot at the end of its rainbow.
 
I don't think the XII makes sense for UCONN unless the money issues in the short-term are really dire. Maybe they are. There is a much better regional alignment than the XII and it's going to come about once the BiG and SEC are done plundering what they want from the PAC and ACC. This is going to require a little patience and vision. The move out of the AAC may turn out to have been absolutely brilliant when all is said and done.
 
coachcap said:
So I listened to this podcast in its entirety & had two thoughts:
1. While the host mentioned Storr's proximity to Boston when he said that UConn's media area would be the XII's 5th largest if added, he made no mention of the Huskies's proximity to New York City. I don't think that he had any clue about UConn's contract with SNY & its fanbase in New York along the Nutmeg State's western border.
2.This podcast was recorded in July: with the progress the football team has already made, & with our future expectations of what could happen in the last 3 games of the season, I have visions of the host being serenaded by Toby Keith singing "How do you like be NOW?"!

As to his comments about UConn not being a cultural fit because Connecticut is a Blue State, What does that have to do with athletic competition? The only point that matters is getting the Huskies into a more stable financial situation & the XII has just finished negotiating its pot at the end of its rainbow.
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The other point that this hillbilly made was about distance of UConn to XII opponents. He said that W.Va. is closest. Then he mentioned Cinci, saying it is closer to Kansas than Hartford. My thoughts on this were that MAY be true, BUT BDL has regular nonstops to the Queen City & it only about a 2.5 hour flight, When you add in Orlando for UCF, I'll bet that the host has no clue about Avelo's cheap flights out of TWEED & competing flights out of BDL.
I'm just saying he didn't do enough homework.
 
CoastAtlantic said:
stanforddaily.com

Conversations about conference "landscape” underway, says President

The Faculty Senate heard a presentation about the changing nature of Stanford’s athletics program, and the University president said confidential conversations are underway about whether Stanford should pursue conference realignment.
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This is the first article I can remember seeing where Stanford talks about realignment.

From the article….

He then explained Stanford’s parameters in making a conference change decision: “From a Stanford point of view, what we want is to make sure that we can continue to provide an exceptional academic and athletic experience to our extraordinary student athletes and also to be part of a competitive conference that is stable and also financially viable.”

He added, “What time frame exactly is unclear but the negotiations are ongoing.”
 
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