I think their football programs would be relegated to travel squads in the SEC, and if they go winless year after year all those new fans might lose interest.
USC and UCLA to the BIG Ten
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UCLA pulling out of Big Ten expansion? Big Ten football Misery Index has a fix: Brady Hoke
All of a sudden, UCLA isn't sounding 100% in on joining the Big Ten in 2024. We've got a (familiar) solution for that problem.
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UCLA pulling out of Big Ten expansion? Big Ten football Misery Index has a fix: Brady Hoke
All of a sudden, UCLA isn't sounding 100% in on joining the Big Ten in 2024. We've got a (familiar) solution for that problem.www.yahoo.com
SD State to the B1G? Yeah I don’t think so.
If UCLA drops out, and there is maybe like a 10% chance of that happening they will just take Stanford.
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That’s what is stupid about this whole process, because the same is true at the top. If you put 8 powerhouses in one league then 1/2 of them are going to finish in 5th-8th or even lower in bad years.Tx and OU freak out when they finish 2nd or 3rd in the Big 12 (OU legitimately does anyway, UT is just delusional and only think they are a top 1 or 2 team). Now imagine OU fourth or fifth in SEC and UT 7th to 9th. The fans will burn the place down in the 1st year and stop going by the 3rd.
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You hit the nail on the head.
This is about football and eyeballs on football. That’s not Duke. The GOR seems to be keeping the ACC secure for years to come, so I don’t know that they should worry.
If they ever need an alternative, they would be best served by looking for a basketball-centric conference with other schools where football is secondary. Other basketball past national champions with a similar sports profile:
UConn
Kansas
Baylor
Syracuse
Louisville (?)
Virginia (?)
North Carolina (?)
NC State (?)
Arizona (?)
UNLV (?)
Cincinnati (?)
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Not that it will happen, but I’d sign up for that conference in a heartbeat. Looks like a blast for all revenue sports.
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I think how schools are valued has changed. Schools were valued on markets, but they are now going to be valued on brand. The markets philosophy worked when the captive cable bundle drove conference realignment and added fees to the conference networks. As the cable bundle breaks down and streaming takes over, brands are much more important in driving value. Since football drives the bus, Clemson is a much bigger football brand than UNC or UVA which means they will be attractive to the SEC. I think people will want to watch games like Clemson/South Carolina (played 118 times), Clemson/Georgia (played 65 times), Clemson/Auburn (played 51 times), Clemson/Alabama (played 19 times), Clemson/Tennessee (played 19 times), Clemson/Florida (played 13 times).
And 3/4 of the country is going to turn to other entertainment
What USC, UCLA's move to the Big Ten means for sports other than football
USC and UCLA will get Big Ten paydays, but will charters and scheduling partners ease increased demands on student-athletes?
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This stat caught my eye:
115 Current/Former athletes from USC and UCLA we’re Olympians in Tokyo last summer.
The other 14 B1G schools combined sent 155 Olympians to Tokyo last summer.
I know that’s not the reason why the schools were added, but wow, that’s an insanely high number of Olympians from only two schools.
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There is zero chance of UCLA pulling out of the B1G. If UCLA does pull out, B1G will just invite Stanford to take their spot.UCLA pulling out of Big Ten expansion? Big Ten football Misery Index has a fix: Brady Hoke
All of a sudden, UCLA isn't sounding 100% in on joining the Big Ten in 2024. We've got a (familiar) solution for that problem.
Governor Newsome is just using his power trying to get B1G to take UC Berkeley also. What will end up happening is B1G will take both Stanford and UC Berkeley so B1G can lock up CA. The consequence is PAC-12 will be destroyed.
Doesn't sound like the UC Regents are going to do anything to stop UCLA from moving to the B1G. To the surprise of no one.
www.latimes.com
The regents, meeting in San Diego on Thursday, briefly discussed a proposal to bar the university president from delegating such authority if one UC campus’ proposed athletics transaction would cause a sister campus a “material adverse financial impact” — defined as 10% or greater of the operating revenue of the athletic department in question. The ban on delegating authority to campuses would also apply if a proposed deal would raise a “significant question” of university policy or create a “significant risk of reputational harm” to UC.
Board Chair Richard Leib emphasized the proposal is aimed at future campus actions. But it was triggered by widespread concerns among regents about the financial impact UCLA’s decision to leave the Pac-12 in 2024 could have on UC Berkeley.
UC campuses face rollback in authority after UCLA deal to leave Pac-12 irks regents
University of California regents are mulling restricting schools' ability to negotiate major contracts after UCLA announced its move to the Big Ten.
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The regents, meeting in San Diego on Thursday, briefly discussed a proposal to bar the university president from delegating such authority if one UC campus’ proposed athletics transaction would cause a sister campus a “material adverse financial impact” — defined as 10% or greater of the operating revenue of the athletic department in question. The ban on delegating authority to campuses would also apply if a proposed deal would raise a “significant question” of university policy or create a “significant risk of reputational harm” to UC.
Board Chair Richard Leib emphasized the proposal is aimed at future campus actions. But it was triggered by widespread concerns among regents about the financial impact UCLA’s decision to leave the Pac-12 in 2024 could have on UC Berkeley.
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-> Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff sent a letter to the University of California Board of Regents on Thursday in an attempt to overturn the UCLA chancellor’s decision to leave the Big Ten in 2024, a source confirmed to The Athletic. <-
-> He wrote that UCLA athletes could see their academic and health status decline due to increased time traveling on planes to road games. Family and friends of those athletes would also have a more arduous and expensive time seeing the Bruins compete further away from California. Kliavkoff stated travel costs — currently $8.1 in the Pac-12 — would jump to $23.7 million if flights were chartered in the Big Ten.
The letter additionally stated salaries for coaches and administrators would be forced to go up in the Big Ten despite the new seven-year, $7.5 billion media rights deal. <-
Read the Pac-12 Letter to the University of California Regents (Published 2022)
Letter from the commissioner of the Pac-12 Conference to the University of California Board of Regents, objecting to a move by U.C.L.A. to go to the Big Ten Conference.
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He needs to move on from this.
Desperation is ugly.
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The B1G wouldn’t lower itself to sending a letter to the regents about the positives of moving to the B1G, but just off the top of my head:
One other point on the revenue. The SEC and B1G are likely to split half of the CFP revenue between themselves with the next contract per past reports. UCLA will receive more CFP revenue as a member of the B1G than it would remaining in the PAC.
It’s also silly that one of the PAC’s five reasons to oppose the move is carbon neutrality. 20% of their case against the move is the carbon output of additional plane rides. That’s stretching to say the least.
- Increased revenue
- Increased nationwide exposure of the UCLA brand
- Membership in the B1G Academic Alliance
- Saving the Olympic sports that would have otherwise been eliminated
- Increased access to the CFP with a stronger conference schedule resulting in an increased likelihood of getting an at-large bid
One other point on the revenue. The SEC and B1G are likely to split half of the CFP revenue between themselves with the next contract per past reports. UCLA will receive more CFP revenue as a member of the B1G than it would remaining in the PAC.
It’s also silly that one of the PAC’s five reasons to oppose the move is carbon neutrality. 20% of their case against the move is the carbon output of additional plane rides. That’s stretching to say the least.
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The Big Ten should just take four. This could be a dangerous game, tantrums are never pretty.
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I believe that's the end goal for the CA governor. He just wants B1G to take all 4.
I would be shocked if Oregon, Washington, Stanford and Cal do not end up in the B1G. It might not happen in 2024, but it will happen in my opinion. They likely will not receive a full conference payout for several years, though.
Then we sit back until the ACC nears the end of its grant of rights and see who the B1G and SEC target.
The real drama will be from the ACC schools that both the B1G and SEC want to add in terms of which conference they choose. North Carolina, for instance. Kevin Warren has already stated AAU membership is not a requirement for B1G membership. Florida State, Miami and Clemson might be targets for both conferences as well.
Those 4 may, but why would they be next? Fear of SEC moving first? Those 4 are the equivalent of UConn in last days of BE - there if BIG wants, but of no value to others.
I see the BIG pulling on the ACC string next, first thru ND and then looking to jump SEC for valued properties like UVA and UNC. The B12 has no valuable properties left and the most valuable piece of PAC is already in BIG. The only turkey left to carve up is the ACC.
I see the BIG pulling on the ACC string next, first thru ND and then looking to jump SEC for valued properties like UVA and UNC. The B12 has no valuable properties left and the most valuable piece of PAC is already in BIG. The only turkey left to carve up is the ACC.
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That is my thought. If they take Cal and Stanford tonight, this objection vanishes before breakfast tomorrow.
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They actually have an incentiv adding more schools provides more content that can be offered to Amazon or Apple. It also gets Gov Newsome to stand down, and it destroys the Pac-12.
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Streaming could make the top programs Re-evaluate why they are creating incentives for teams in their conference to mail it in. These super conferences are predicated on the top teams being willing to subsidize the rest. Why on earth would they do that? Sooner or later, USC, Michigan and/or Ohio State is going to demand more.
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I don't disagree but one thing the top teams are getting is wins. As they invite other top programs, the schedule gets more difficult and That's where the bottom feeders come in. If they had a conference full of perennial ranked teams none would make the play-offs. No doubt the top of the conference will figure out a way to get more of the pie at some point though.
Another reason for USC and UCLA to join the B1G…..no one could watch the USC @ Oregon State game because it was on a channel no one has - the PAC12 Network.
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College football review: Lincoln Riley nearly lost, but few could watch the USC drama
Oklahoma fans might have taken solace in ex-coach Lincoln Riley's rough night, but the Pac-12 Network assured few saw the Trojans rally for a win.
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I've thought the same thing which is why every time I envisioned a football breakaway, it would be an entirely new thing and not just expanding certain conferences. I pictured the five biggest name brands from each of the P5 forming a new league with geographic divisions and playoffs without the bottom feeders. Those schools will always want more and more money and eventually they won't be able to grow the pie anymore so they will look to getting a bigger slice.
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You’ll end up with league where everyone goes either 7-5 or 5-7.
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Why does the Big 10 need to pay Rutgers $75 million a year to be a doormat? Rutgers would probably do it for $10MM/year, definitely $15MM. Michigan and Ohio State are just handing Rutgers a bag of cash and getting nothing in return.
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