Uneven revenue distribution model picking up steam in the ACC? (The Clemson Insider)

[FfldCntyFan]

FSU folks for 20 years, have whined about the wine and cheese crowd of the ACC....and their unhappiness with the conference and Swofford.

Perhaps the fan base should have whined a little louder. A decade ago you could have jumped to the B-12 but instead chose to use the threat of jumping (with Clemson) as leverage to improve your power position within the conference. You ended up exactly where you wanted to be, you just didn't anticipate what would happen in other conferences in terms of revenues and movement

Blame your school's leadership for believing that signing a GOR that will last until nearly 2040 was a good idea.

 

[billybud]

Oh...we do blame the school's leadership..and President Barron who as an acadenic sniff stated that the faculty far preferred the ACC, publicly snubbed the B12, and then, shortly after, left to become the President of Penn State.

FSU has the "FSU Athletics Board"......

While primary responsibility and control of the intercollegiate athletics program rests with the President of the University, the Florida State University Athletics Board is responsible for providing periodic evaluation and oversight of the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics.

The University President appoints members of the Board. The Faculty Athletic Representative chairs the Athletics Board, which must have a majority of FSU faculty and administrators among those authorized to vote.

FSU would have joined the SEC in 1991 if the faculty and the President had not pressed for the ACC.

 

[noeynox]

We all whine based on different circumstances....Yarders whine about getting screwed in realignment.

FSU folks for 20 years, have whined about the wine and cheese crowd of the ACC....and their unhappiness with the conference and Swofford.

But, saying that, I don't think that anyone expects major changes in revenue distribution. Somebody's oxe would get gored, and enough oxen for vote to fail.

We may whine, but we get to see our school, in it's main sport, continue to excel and not make excuses. We would take any life raft, but in the meantime you have to find ways.

 

[billybud]

We all love our main sports...basketball schools love their basketball and football schools love their football.

FSU will continue to compete...#11 finishing last year and #3 in this year's ESPN's preseason rankings....We will see. Starting the season with #4 (reigning SEC West Champ) and playing #7, and it is still September. Good chance to play Clemson again in the CCG.

But realists worry about the new landscape of football and increasing costs to compete... Especially when programs are not on the same scale of revenue.

 

[billybud]

But, you know, I enjoy following the softball team. The girls are good and don't give up. But this minor sport is not where the heart is. I watch soccer...it has been our family's sport for 40 years...but my heart isn't in it like football.

 

[noeynox]

We all love our main sports...basketball schools love their basketball and football schools love their football.

FSU will continue to compete...#11 finishing last year and #3 in this year's ESPN's preseason rankings....We will see. Starting the season with #4 (reigning SEC West Champ) and playing #7, and it is still September. Good chance to play Clemson again in the CCG.

But realists worry about the new landscape of football and increasing costs to compete... Especially when programs are not on the same scale of revenue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a realist. I've been worried about increasing costs to compete for over a decade. I'm just not used to seeing school officials whine over the decisions they or they're predecessors made. Thats what i find odd.

 

[billybud]

Don't get me wrong, I'm a realist. I've been worried about increasing costs to compete for over a decade. I'm just not used to seeing school officials whine over the decisions they or they're predecessors made. Thats what i find odd.

noey:

I don't find it odd at all that the AD brings up the subject and points out the Emperor's clothes. Everybody knows it but nobody was talking about it on the institution level.

The AD and the academics have different agenda's.

Maybe other schools do not have the involvement of the academics to the same degree.

"Barron saved perhaps his strongest words for academics. He says FSU faculty members are against joining the Big 12.

"The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker — and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2 percent ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25 percent of the academic budget ($105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future."

(This was at a time when the legislature was proposing cuts across the university system)

Sooo...there are different dynamics between academia and athletics....the ACC has been good for FSU academically.

Maybe other major programs are not so influenced by their academic side...

AS Ohio State's President notoriously said...when asked in March 2011 whether the school had considered firing embattled coach Jim Tressel, a grinning Gee said: "No. Are you kidding? Let me just be very clear. I'm just hopeful the coach doesn't dismiss me."

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The AD and the academics have different agenda's.

This is where it all begins and ends.

You may prefer the idea of FSU prioritizing athletics (football specifically) over academics but the fact remains that FSU is still a school and those in charge are (hopefully) acting in what they believe are the best interests of the school.

I believe you are s bit older than I am (I'm 62). You may remember when Tulane and Georgia Tech left the SEC due to believing they could not compete and maintain their academic status (this is often a challenge for smaller schools, especially when it comes to football). Schools make decisions like those periodically. The Ivies moved to a lesser level of football after WWII. The University of Chicago dropped football (and B-10 membership). FSU was a women's college at that time.

Where the problems lie as I see it are in the lack of consistent direction for your goals. You stated the importance of academics as a reason leadership gave on remaining in the ACC (when B-12 membership was a clear option) yet, your school threatened to leave for the B-12 if Louisville wasn't selected to replace Maryland. I imagine academics weren't the priority that weekend.

One important distinction between your plight and ours is that you are stuck where you are by decisions your school made while we are stuck where we are by decisions other schools made. This should not be minimized.

 

[billybud]

This is where it all begins and ends.

You may prefer the idea of FSU prioritizing athletics (football specifically) over academics but the fact remains that FSU is still a school and those in charge are (hopefully) acting in what they believe are the best interests of the school.

I believe you are s bit older than I am (I'm 62). You may remember when Tulane and Georgia Tech left the SEC due to believing they could not compete and maintain their academic status (this is often a challenge for smaller schools, especially when it comes to football). Schools make decisions like those periodically. The Ivies moved to a lesser level of football after WWII. The University of Chicago dropped football (and B-10 membership). FSU was a women's college at that time.

Where the problems lie as I see it are in the lack of consistent direction for your goals. You stated the importance of academics as a reason leadership gave on remaining in the ACC (when B-12 membership was a clear option) yet, your school threatened to leave for the B-12 if Louisville wasn't selected to replace Maryland. I imagine academics weren't the priority that weekend.

One important distinction between your plight and ours is that you are stuck where you are by decisions your school made while we are stuck where we are by decisions other schools made. This should not be minimized.

Actually not really true...other than sports board gossip...FSU, Clemson, Miami, and VT just let it be known that football was the media paymaster and that they, as football schools, preferred that the ACC add a more football oriented school.

This was a time when Coach K thought he and Roy Williams ran the league

There is zero valid reference quoting a person from the institutions of FSU or Clemson saying that they would leave, or any other threat. As it sometimes happens, internet gossip becomes truth over time.

 

[billybud]

What I suspect is that ESPN gave the ACC valuations of proposed new adds.

 

[billybud]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

 

[uconntailgater]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

Best of luck through your treatment and hope all goes well for you.

 

[jostar1]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

I'm sorry to hear that. That is a tough treatment to go through. I wish you the best.

 

[Gburyhusky]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

Prayers for a complete recovery to you.

 

[noeynox]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

Oh damn. Now i can't even dislike your pro FSU posts. Seriously, i wish you best with this. This is just sports talk, and you're a good foil for me as fan hating on schools already in the P5.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

@billybud

My prayers are with you. Hoping you have a full recovery

 

[WestHartHusk]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

A down payment on a hopefully fast and thorough recovery. Be well and stay strong!

 

[businesslawyer]

We all whine based on different circumstances....Yarders whine about getting screwed in realignment.

FSU folks for 20 years, have whined about the wine and cheese crowd of the ACC....and their unhappiness with the conference and Swofford.

But, saying that, I don't think that anyone expects major changes in revenue distribution. Somebody's oxe would get gored, and enough oxen for vote to fail.

LMAO. UConn did get screwed in realignment. By any number of objective standards. FSU voluntarily elected to join a wine and cheese (presumably meaning not deep southern, and focused more on hoops than football) conference because it was better than where they were. Having made that choice, spending 20 years whining about it is just assinine. If you propose to and marry a fat girl, you have no right to complain that your wife is overweight.

 

[businesslawyer]

By the BY...and completely off topic...but I am very grateful that I have been allowed to partake of the fellowship of this board. I picture us as a group of guys who meet regularly to chat about sports. You get to know the others over a decade.

Right now, this board is an important link to the outside for me...I am being treated for pharyngeal cancer matastisized to the lymph nodes of the neck...chemo and radiation blasting....I have lost 35 pounds, am very weak, and haven't had nourishment outside of fluids in 3 weeks.

Two and one half weeks left to go in the regimen, maybe eat in a month when I can again swallow. I get fluid via IV bags twice a week and a liter of chemo by IV once a week, radiation every morning.

But...thank all yarders...good sports, rational discussions, and so very much appreciated.

What I think of your posts at times is immaterial. I hope you get through the treatment as easily as possible, and I wish you a full and speedy recovery.

 

[gars44]

Oh damn. Now i can't even dislike your pro FSU posts. Seriously, i wish you best with this. This is just sports talk, and you're a good foil for me as fan hating on schools already in the P5.

Hey, FSU could be our knight in shining armor. If they manage to blow up the ACC we have a very good chance of inviting the leftovers to the Big East for BBall and then forming a separate unaffiliated league for football. Not the greatest, but better than now. It would be a great basketball conference (addition of Duke, Wake, Ga Tech, Syr, Pitt, ND, Ville, etc.
But back on the track: please get better Billy.

 

[noeynox]

Hey, FSU could be our knight in shining armor. If they manage to blow up the ACC we have a very good chance of inviting the leftovers to the Big East for BBall and then forming a separate unaffiliated league for football. Not the greatest, but better than now. It would be a great basketball conference (addition of Duke, Wake, Ga Tech, Syr, Pitt, ND, Ville, etc.
But back on the track: please get better Billy.

I wouldn't be mad.

 

[TheCatsLair]

Hey, FSU could be our knight in shining armor. If they manage to blow up the ACC we have a very good chance of inviting the leftovers to the Big East for BBall and then forming a separate unaffiliated league for football. Not the greatest, but better than now. It would be a great basketball conference (addition of Duke, Wake, Ga Tech, Syr, Pitt, ND, Ville, etc.
But back on the track: please get better Billy.

Most of those schools would try to get a Big 12 invite first.

 

[B1GEast]

Compensation should be merit based. If you win a major bowl or NCAA title in any sport, that institution should receive funds based on that achievement.

Have a baseline that every school receives and then leave a certain percentage of the table and incentivize the remainder.

Have it reset every few years in case schools get complacent and become bottom feeders.

 

[huskymedic]

Florida State intends to turn up heat for greater revenue at ACC spring meetings this week

Less than three months after publicly criticizing the ACC's television contract, FSU officials will continue the push this week

www.on3.com

-> In an interview this past week with Warchant, Alford said the university will continue to push ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and the other schools for uneven revenue sharing — with football powers like Florida State and Clemson receiving greater financial distributions than others in the conference — and also encourage the league to find other ways to close the widening revenue gap with the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten.

Alford confirmed those will be “hot topics” when league officials get together in the small beach town north of Jacksonville.

“I make no bones about it that we’re the top brand in the conference,” Alford said. “And when you look at how they measure media contracts, with households, viewership and championships, we’re driving that viewership for our conference at a high rate. “There are a couple schools that are really driving that media contract.” <-

 

[jostar1]

Florida State intends to turn up heat for greater revenue at ACC spring meetings this week

Less than three months after publicly criticizing the ACC's television contract, FSU officials will continue the push this week

www.on3.com

-> In an interview this past week with Warchant, Alford said the university will continue to push ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and the other schools for uneven revenue sharing — with football powers like Florida State and Clemson receiving greater financial distributions than others in the conference — and also encourage the league to find other ways to close the widening revenue gap with the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten.

Alford confirmed those will be “hot topics” when league officials get together in the small beach town north of Jacksonville.

“I make no bones about it that we’re the top brand in the conference,” Alford said. “And when you look at how they measure media contracts, with households, viewership and championships, we’re driving that viewership for our conference at a high rate. “There are a couple schools that are really driving that media contract.” <-

I'm loving this:

And, as Alford pointed out, the Big 12 Conference’s recently renegotiated television contract will be up for bid again following the 2030-31 season.

The fact that in-state school UCF is now joining that league is not lost on Alford.

“If you look at the revenue projections, they should have a better agreement than we have by going out to market,” he said. “That means there’s going to be another school in the state that’s going to have a better agreement than Miami and us. And that’s just not acceptable to us.”

 

[jostar1]

Florida State intends to turn up heat for greater revenue at ACC spring meetings this week

Less than three months after publicly criticizing the ACC's television contract, FSU officials will continue the push this week

www.on3.com

-> In an interview this past week with Warchant, Alford said the university will continue to push ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and the other schools for uneven revenue sharing — with football powers like Florida State and Clemson receiving greater financial distributions than others in the conference — and also encourage the league to find other ways to close the widening revenue gap with the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten.

Alford confirmed those will be “hot topics” when league officials get together in the small beach town north of Jacksonville.

“I make no bones about it that we’re the top brand in the conference,” Alford said. “And when you look at how they measure media contracts, with households, viewership and championships, we’re driving that viewership for our conference at a high rate. “There are a couple schools that are really driving that media contract.” <-

Alford says:

“All 20 sports — we fund them to win championships. Not all schools in the country do that. They pick and choose and prioritize sports. Right now, we’re funding them all to go win championships. And that’s something we want to continue to do.”

My answer:

 

[metsfan2323]

Compensation should be merit based. If you win a major bowl or NCAA title in any sport, that institution should receive funds based on that achievement.

Have a baseline that every school receives and then leave a certain percentage of the table and incentivize the remainder.

Have it reset every few years in case schools get complacent and become bottom feeders.

This is the model that makes the most sense, reward excellence. I know it's easy to say that Clemson deserves the most money in the ACC, but that could quickly change. The distribution model should be flexible to account for changes in the pecking order.

 

[noeynox]

This is the model that makes the most sense, reward excellence. I know it's easy to say that Clemson deserves the most money in the ACC, but that could quickly change. The distribution model should be flexible to account for changes in the pecking order.

We will see that model in college sports when hell freezes over. The model continues to move in the exact opposite direction. BCS to Power 5, Power 5 to effectively a Power 2, to possibly a break away of some schools from the NCAA. I just can't see it.

 

[CL82]

I'm loving this:

And, as Alford pointed out, the Big 12 Conference’s recently renegotiated television contract will be up for bid again following the 2030-31 season.

The fact that in-state school UCF is now joining that league is not lost on Alford.

“If you look at the revenue projections, they should have a better agreement than we have by going out to market,” he said. “That means there’s going to be another school in the state that’s going to have a better agreement than Miami and us. And that’s just not acceptable to us.”

I don't think it's realistically possible to pay them enough to be competitive with the SEC schools under the existing ACC finances. If that is the case, that whatever you give them won't satisfy them enough to stay when the GOR lapses, why do anything for them at all?

 

[metsfan2323]

We will see that model in college sports when hell freezes over. The model continues to move in the exact opposite direction. BCS to Power 5, Power 5 to effectively a Power 2, to possibly a break away of some schools from the NCAA. I just can't see it.

I keep hearing about this movement to two conferences and a break away....that is something I will believe when I see it. Currently power conferences are expanding, and more schools (Houston, UCF) are becoming power schools. San Diego State and SMU may soon join a power conference.

To date the only former power teams downgraded by the reshuffling have been UCONN and USF.