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Uneven revenue distribution model picking up steam in the ACC? (The Clemson Insider)

huskymedic said:
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Heard today on local Greensboro sports radio that yes 7 schools met in Greensboro with timing before the Amelia Island ACC annual meeting. But some of the schools in the Greensboro meeting were there to confirm GOR was ironclad.

Show went on to say if FSU and Miami are demanding $5m more, then its a drop in the bucket compared with the $30m gap between ACC and the other 2 main conferences. The show concluded that FSU, who hasn't been in an ACC championship game since 2014, and Miami, who has won conference once in 20 years, can go pound sand.
 
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Nothing is coincidental…

-> For now, the threat of ACC departures looms in the background as a hypothetical built on top of a rocky hill of hypotheticals. The first step on the path of appeasing those seven schools is the push for a new revenue distribution model in the ACC. FSU, Clemson and Miami have explored several variations of a weighted distribution model that would reward schools a more significant percentage of the ACC's revenue based on postseason success.

In other words, a playoff-bound FSU would receive more money than Duke in the Mayo Bowl.

The component that has yet to be discussed is how television revenue would be included in the unequal sharing model. An additional few million dollars each year via postseason revenue (bowls, playoff and NCAA Tournament appearances) would not significantly offset the disparity between the top ACC school and, say, Vanderbilt in the SEC (potentially as much as $30 million per year). The big money lies within the ESPN deal, which pays $36.1 million annually to each ACC school. More than others in the conference, Florida State desires a larger piece of that pie.

Why? Clemson and FSU are by far the ACC's most attractive brands on network television. FSU's regular-season games between 2014 and 2021 attracted more viewers than any ACC school at an average of 3.1 million viewers.

Eighteen ACC football games pulled more than 3 million viewers in 2022, but only one conference game did not involve Clemson or Florida State, according to data compiled by Sports Media Watch. North Carolina-NC State averaged 3.61 million viewers, ranking as the fourth-most watched conference matchup and 10th overall among games involving an ACC team. <-
 
huskymedic said:



Nothing is coincidental…

-> For now, the threat of ACC departures looms in the background as a hypothetical built on top of a rocky hill of hypotheticals. The first step on the path of appeasing those seven schools is the push for a new revenue distribution model in the ACC. FSU, Clemson and Miami have explored several variations of a weighted distribution model that would reward schools a more significant percentage of the ACC's revenue based on postseason success.

In other words, a playoff-bound FSU would receive more money than Duke in the Mayo Bowl.

The component that has yet to be discussed is how television revenue would be included in the unequal sharing model. An additional few million dollars each year via postseason revenue (bowls, playoff and NCAA Tournament appearances) would not significantly offset the disparity between the top ACC school and, say, Vanderbilt in the SEC (potentially as much as $30 million per year). The big money lies within the ESPN deal, which pays $36.1 million annually to each ACC school. More than others in the conference, Florida State desires a larger piece of that pie.

Why? Clemson and FSU are by far the ACC's most attractive brands on network television. FSU's regular-season games between 2014 and 2021 attracted more viewers than any ACC school at an average of 3.1 million viewers.

Eighteen ACC football games pulled more than 3 million viewers in 2022, but only one conference game did not involve Clemson or Florida State, according to data compiled by Sports Media Watch. North Carolina-NC State averaged 3.61 million viewers, ranking as the fourth-most watched conference matchup and 10th overall among games involving an ACC team. <-
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I can see this working if it rewards the teams that are actually good. Rewarding certain brands isn't going to fly. If FSU wants more money, they might want to win some games.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I can see this working if it rewards the teams that are actually good. Rewarding certain brands isn't going to fly. If FSU wants more money, they might want to win some games.
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Why should wins matter? Fans care about that sort of thing. The bean counters don't care. They care about how many eyeballs you are bringing to the party. If winning mattered a good chunk of the P5 schools would be worth $0.00.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Why should wins matter? Fans care about that sort of thing. The bean counters don't care. They care about how many eyeballs you are bringing to the party. If winning mattered a good chunk of the P5 schools would be worth $0.00.
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Because they already have a contract that pays them the same as everyone else. It's no different in the SEC or B1G, for teams like Vandy and Northwestern. There's no way the other schools accept this on a basis that just favors some schools. No league does that, because things change. There's no reason why UNC can't become a huge football brand.
 
On a slightly tangential point. These are the save institutions chirping about social justice, equity and systemic bias…except when it comes their football revenue share …then it’s every school for itself. Laughable irony.
 
giddyup said:
On a slightly tangential point. These are the save institutions chirping about social justice, equity and systemic bias…except when it comes their football revenue share …then it’s every school for itself. Laughable irony.
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That’s more than a tangent bro. It is a non sequitor.
 
if those 7 schools get 3 more schools (duke, gtech, whoever) and just merger with the PAC, I would think the TV Brand would be higher then the big 12 and would save both conference.
 
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even the dukies....

"Odd that Georgia Tech, with 4 national football championships, is less magnificent than UVA, VT, UNC and NC State. I hope Duke has a plan for when the last shoe falls and I hope the plan is to maximize basketball instead a desperation attempt to keep football $ and relevance by cobbling together a second tier conference over an even larger geographic footprint than the current ACC. Perhaps the remaining ACC schools could join the Big East creating a large 2 division basketball conference and a small football conference including UConn and the former ACC schools."

"I could imagine worse scenarios from my perspective. It may seem like an issue of semantics, but I wonder if the ACC left-behinds would join the Big East or they could somehow convince the more attractive Big East members to join the ACC?"

"hard to say.
Would a school with football like uconn make more in the ACC next year than in the big east? Probably.
Would a school like villanova or creighton make more in ACC basketball next year than in the big east?
Will either of those schools be better off tying their fortunes to what could very well be a sinking ship as opposed to something that's going good? Uconn made that mistake once already, and I'm not sure the basketball schools want to deal with being in the tenuous position they were 10 years ago again.
It would be a hard sell for all parties, I think, especially due to the super long GoR and for the ACC, it would mean admitting failure at football, something I'm sure they're trying to avoid at least until the last one out turns off the lights."
 
CL82 said:
You have to appreciate BC's acceptance of the fact that it can't compete in major athletics and its only hope is to remain a parasite for as long as possible.
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It's dawning on Syracuse fans, too.

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probably a dumb question, but if Pitt, Ville and Cuse went to the ACC and said they wanted to go to teh BIG12, would they be able to leave with much of a fight or financial hardship? Assuming those 7 schools would say fine and the other 4 schools wouldnt have much power.
 
Tfoyle said:
if those 7 schools get 3 more schools (duke, gtech, whoever) and just merger with the PAC, I would think the TV Brand would be higher then the big 12 and would save both conference.
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It would seem to be a reasonable play except FSU and Clemson are thinking B1Gger. And the lower half will hang onto the GOR with a kungfu grip.

I am curious, in theory, what the ACC value would be in a couple of scenarios. I know they won't happen because FSU wants out and no conference is going to approach the B1G and SEC money, but it seems more plausible than uneven revenue distribution:
  1. 12 schools vote to dissolve the ACC and it reforms excluding Duke & Wake
  2. 10 schools vote to dissolve the ACC and reforms excluding Duke, Wake, SU, BCU
  3. In either case, poach best of Big 12/PAC, and UConn :cool:
 
huskymedic said:



Nothing is coincidental…

-> For now, the threat of ACC departures looms in the background as a hypothetical built on top of a rocky hill of hypotheticals. The first step on the path of appeasing those seven schools is the push for a new revenue distribution model in the ACC. FSU, Clemson and Miami have explored several variations of a weighted distribution model that would reward schools a more significant percentage of the ACC's revenue based on postseason success.

In other words, a playoff-bound FSU would receive more money than Duke in the Mayo Bowl.

The component that has yet to be discussed is how television revenue would be included in the unequal sharing model. An additional few million dollars each year via postseason revenue (bowls, playoff and NCAA Tournament appearances) would not significantly offset the disparity between the top ACC school and, say, Vanderbilt in the SEC (potentially as much as $30 million per year). The big money lies within the ESPN deal, which pays $36.1 million annually to each ACC school. More than others in the conference, Florida State desires a larger piece of that pie.

Why? Clemson and FSU are by far the ACC's most attractive brands on network television. FSU's regular-season games between 2014 and 2021 attracted more viewers than any ACC school at an average of 3.1 million viewers.

Eighteen ACC football games pulled more than 3 million viewers in 2022, but only one conference game did not involve Clemson or Florida State, according to data compiled by Sports Media Watch. North Carolina-NC State averaged 3.61 million viewers, ranking as the fourth-most watched conference matchup and 10th overall among games involving an ACC team. <-
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Teel: Revenue sharing and generation prevailing topics as ACC opens spring meetings

Emerging from a meeting than ran an hour longer than scheduled Monday night, N.C. State athletic director Boo Corrigan visibly sighed
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Kolumbo said:
even the dukies....

Would a school with football like uconn make more in the ACC next year than in the big east?
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It's not even a probably. 20 years ago the Big East payout was going to be $13m a year per football school before Syracuse and Pitt left.

I can only imagine that the value of schools like Georgia Tech, Duke and Pitt in a 10 team conference is AT LEAST double that.
 
What some of the lawyers have been examining.

The ACC is a non profit incorporated in North Carolina.

The NC statute outlines the dissolution of a nonprofit.
....requires a simple majority of the directors (school presidents in this case)...8 to vote for dissolution.
....requires that a dissolution plan be submitted that outlines the assets and debts of the corporation and how they will be resolved.

If the ACC dissolves, there is no GOR since the grant of rights was to the ACC.

The ESPN-ACC contract would be defunct if there is no ACC.

Interesting questions...but schools could not take the risk without backdoor invites in hand...

 
I've heard that a few times.. but who would be the 8th vote... similarly ESPN could, if they chose, sue the members of the ACC for the costs it incurred as a part of setting up the ACC Network due to the breach of the agreement... similar it could also find damages for the costs incurred to fill empty lineup slots.

While the SEC is reportedly guaranteed pro-rata for any additions, there is little incentive for ESPN to make it easy to have to pay more for content they already own... particularly in a time of corporate belt tightening at Disney. There is certainly no incentive for them to make it easier for Fox to poach potentially valuable content for the Big Ten.
 
CL82 said:
You have to appreciate BC's acceptance of the fact that it can't compete in major athletics and its only hope is to remain a parasite for as long as possible.
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Big East still has a bad taste in their mouth + UConn will never let us in. AAC it is
 
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Scott posted..

I've heard that a few times.. but who would be the 8th vote... similarly ESPN could, if they chose, sue the members of the ACC for the costs it incurred as a part of setting up the ACC Network due to the breach of the agreement... similar it could also find damages for the costs incurred to fill empty lineup slots.

ESPN's contract was with the ACC...no contracts with individual programs...yeah, they could sue the ACC, but if the organization was defunct ?
 
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