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Uneven revenue distribution model picking up steam in the ACC? (The Clemson Insider)

metsfan2323 said:
I keep hearing about this movement to two conferences and a break away....that is something I will believe when I see it. Currently power conferences are expanding, and more schools (Houston, UCF) are becoming power schools. San Diego State and SMU may soon join a power conference.

To date the only former power teams downgraded by the reshuffling have been UCONN and USF.
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True but the money is flowing up not down.
 
huskymedic said:
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Florida State intends to turn up heat for greater revenue at ACC spring meetings this week

Less than three months after publicly criticizing the ACC's television contract, FSU officials will continue the push this week
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-> In an interview this past week with Warchant, Alford said the university will continue to push ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips and the other schools for uneven revenue sharing — with football powers like Florida State and Clemson receiving greater financial distributions than others in the conference — and also encourage the league to find other ways to close the widening revenue gap with the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten.

Alford confirmed those will be “hot topics” when league officials get together in the small beach town north of Jacksonville.

“I make no bones about it that we’re the top brand in the conference,” Alford said. “And when you look at how they measure media contracts, with households, viewership and championships, we’re driving that viewership for our conference at a high rate. “There are a couple schools that are really driving that media contract.” <-
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It's pretty funny to see FSU's AD getting big mad over a deal that they willingly signed on for with the rest of their conference mates. If I'm one of the other schools in the ACC, I wouldn't agree to give FSU, Clemson or anybody even one penny more than what I'm making unless they agree to extend The GOR even longer. Nothing is going to keep FSU or Clemson in the league when the current GOR expires. Why should they pay them more now when they're leaving anyway?
 
The schools moving up are making the P5 become a P2 and Middle 3.

Oklahoma, Texas, USC and UCLA expand the money and power of the SEC and B1G.

BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and whoever the PAC adds are simply backfill that keeps the Big 12 and PAC in business, but does not replace what was lost.

Are the G5 schools in better position for having moved up? Absolutely. But they are still a rung below the SEC and B1G.

At this point, the only question is will the best of the rest in the PAC and ACC after 2036 join forces to form 1 middle conference or will all 3 stay separate and just add more G5 schools? Either way, the power and money separating them from the top rung of the B1G and SEC will only grow larger.
 
Ldandy said:
It's pretty funny to see FSU's AD getting big mad over a deal that they willingly signed on for with the rest of their conference mates. If I'm one of the other schools in the ACC, I wouldn't agree to give FSU, Clemson or anybody even one penny more than what I'm making unless they agree to extend The GOR even longer. Nothing is going to keep FSU or Clemson in the league when the current GOR expires. Why should they pay them more now when they're leaving anyway?
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Who is FSU?
 
Rufus said:
The schools moving up are making the P5 become a P2 and Middle 3.

Oklahoma, Texas, USC and UCLA expand the money and power of the SEC and B1G.

BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and whoever the PAC adds are simply backfill that keeps the Big 12 and PAC in business, but does not replace what was lost.

Are the G5 schools in better position for having moved up? Absolutely. But they are still a rung below the SEC and B1G.

At this point, the only question is will the best of the rest in the PAC and ACC after 2036 join forces to form 1 middle conference or will all 3 stay separate and just add more G5 schools? Either way, the power and money separating them from the top rung of the B1G and SEC will only grow larger.
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Conference revenue is not the determining factor when deciding if a conference is a "power conference", having an auto-bid seat in the playoffs starting next year is the determining factor. The G5 conferences have to share one bid.

Until the PAC 12, ACC, or B12 lose their auto-bid they are a power conference. Do you think revenue was a factor when TCU clobbered Michigan last year?
 
metsfan2323 said:
Conference revenue is not the determining factor when deciding if a conference is a "power conference", having an auto-bid seat in the playoffs starting next year is the determining factor. The G5 conferences have to share one bid.

Until the PAC 12, ACC, or B12 lose their auto-bid they are a power conference. Do you think revenue was a factor when TCU clobbered Michigan last year?
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It's just a perception thing. There's no official organization that bestows power status upon a conference. The NCAA for example does not maintain an official list of who's in and who's out. The term was coined by the media - ESPN was first to use it I believe - during the BCS. You can use whatever metric you like, but once the dust settles, everyone is going to look at the lineup of brands in the B1G and $EC and give them some moniker that differentiates them from everyone else just as was done for the soon to be defunct P5.
 
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Hi- I’m with the AD’s office from [Syracuse, Pitt, BC], are there meetings going on that we should be a part of?

 
huskymedic said:
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Well that is spicy indeed.

No word if BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Wake and Duke had their own secret meetings; ha!

I will assume GT and Louisville have been soundly asleep during all of this. I don't really consider ND as concerned with any of this.

The ACC chaos might serve to slow the B12 down post the P12 media outcome...table CRA another year.
 
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Exit 4 said:
Hi- I’m with the AD’s office from [Syracuse, Pitt, BC], are there meetings going on that we should be a part of?

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Answer: "No" as he casually shuts the packed conference room door behind him.
 
Exit 4 said:
Well that is spicy indeed.

No word if BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Wake and Duke had their own secret meetings; ha!

I will assume GT and Louisville have been soundly asleep during all of this. I don't really consider ND as concerned with any of this.

The ACC chaos might serve to slow the B12 down post the P12 media outcome...table CRA another year.
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Like the secret meetings BC had when they kept us out of ACC expansion?
 
huskymedic said:
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Heard today on local Greensboro sports radio that yes 7 schools met in Greensboro with timing before the Amelia Island ACC annual meeting. But some of the schools in the Greensboro meeting were there to confirm GOR was ironclad.

Show went on to say if FSU and Miami are demanding $5m more, then its a drop in the bucket compared with the $30m gap between ACC and the other 2 main conferences. The show concluded that FSU, who hasn't been in an ACC championship game since 2014, and Miami, who has won conference once in 20 years, can go pound sand.
 
Brett is starting to sound a lot like Fran the Tank

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Nothing is coincidental…

-> For now, the threat of ACC departures looms in the background as a hypothetical built on top of a rocky hill of hypotheticals. The first step on the path of appeasing those seven schools is the push for a new revenue distribution model in the ACC. FSU, Clemson and Miami have explored several variations of a weighted distribution model that would reward schools a more significant percentage of the ACC's revenue based on postseason success.

In other words, a playoff-bound FSU would receive more money than Duke in the Mayo Bowl.

The component that has yet to be discussed is how television revenue would be included in the unequal sharing model. An additional few million dollars each year via postseason revenue (bowls, playoff and NCAA Tournament appearances) would not significantly offset the disparity between the top ACC school and, say, Vanderbilt in the SEC (potentially as much as $30 million per year). The big money lies within the ESPN deal, which pays $36.1 million annually to each ACC school. More than others in the conference, Florida State desires a larger piece of that pie.

Why? Clemson and FSU are by far the ACC's most attractive brands on network television. FSU's regular-season games between 2014 and 2021 attracted more viewers than any ACC school at an average of 3.1 million viewers.

Eighteen ACC football games pulled more than 3 million viewers in 2022, but only one conference game did not involve Clemson or Florida State, according to data compiled by Sports Media Watch. North Carolina-NC State averaged 3.61 million viewers, ranking as the fourth-most watched conference matchup and 10th overall among games involving an ACC team. <-
 
huskymedic said:



Nothing is coincidental…

-> For now, the threat of ACC departures looms in the background as a hypothetical built on top of a rocky hill of hypotheticals. The first step on the path of appeasing those seven schools is the push for a new revenue distribution model in the ACC. FSU, Clemson and Miami have explored several variations of a weighted distribution model that would reward schools a more significant percentage of the ACC's revenue based on postseason success.

In other words, a playoff-bound FSU would receive more money than Duke in the Mayo Bowl.

The component that has yet to be discussed is how television revenue would be included in the unequal sharing model. An additional few million dollars each year via postseason revenue (bowls, playoff and NCAA Tournament appearances) would not significantly offset the disparity between the top ACC school and, say, Vanderbilt in the SEC (potentially as much as $30 million per year). The big money lies within the ESPN deal, which pays $36.1 million annually to each ACC school. More than others in the conference, Florida State desires a larger piece of that pie.

Why? Clemson and FSU are by far the ACC's most attractive brands on network television. FSU's regular-season games between 2014 and 2021 attracted more viewers than any ACC school at an average of 3.1 million viewers.

Eighteen ACC football games pulled more than 3 million viewers in 2022, but only one conference game did not involve Clemson or Florida State, according to data compiled by Sports Media Watch. North Carolina-NC State averaged 3.61 million viewers, ranking as the fourth-most watched conference matchup and 10th overall among games involving an ACC team. <-
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I can see this working if it rewards the teams that are actually good. Rewarding certain brands isn't going to fly. If FSU wants more money, they might want to win some games.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I can see this working if it rewards the teams that are actually good. Rewarding certain brands isn't going to fly. If FSU wants more money, they might want to win some games.
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Why should wins matter? Fans care about that sort of thing. The bean counters don't care. They care about how many eyeballs you are bringing to the party. If winning mattered a good chunk of the P5 schools would be worth $0.00.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Why should wins matter? Fans care about that sort of thing. The bean counters don't care. They care about how many eyeballs you are bringing to the party. If winning mattered a good chunk of the P5 schools would be worth $0.00.
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Because they already have a contract that pays them the same as everyone else. It's no different in the SEC or B1G, for teams like Vandy and Northwestern. There's no way the other schools accept this on a basis that just favors some schools. No league does that, because things change. There's no reason why UNC can't become a huge football brand.
 
On a slightly tangential point. These are the save institutions chirping about social justice, equity and systemic bias…except when it comes their football revenue share …then it’s every school for itself. Laughable irony.
 
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giddyup said:
On a slightly tangential point. These are the save institutions chirping about social justice, equity and systemic bias…except when it comes their football revenue share …then it’s every school for itself. Laughable irony.
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That’s more than a tangent bro. It is a non sequitor.
 
if those 7 schools get 3 more schools (duke, gtech, whoever) and just merger with the PAC, I would think the TV Brand would be higher then the big 12 and would save both conference.
 
even the dukies....

"Odd that Georgia Tech, with 4 national football championships, is less magnificent than UVA, VT, UNC and NC State. I hope Duke has a plan for when the last shoe falls and I hope the plan is to maximize basketball instead a desperation attempt to keep football $ and relevance by cobbling together a second tier conference over an even larger geographic footprint than the current ACC. Perhaps the remaining ACC schools could join the Big East creating a large 2 division basketball conference and a small football conference including UConn and the former ACC schools."

"I could imagine worse scenarios from my perspective. It may seem like an issue of semantics, but I wonder if the ACC left-behinds would join the Big East or they could somehow convince the more attractive Big East members to join the ACC?"

"hard to say.
Would a school with football like uconn make more in the ACC next year than in the big east? Probably.
Would a school like villanova or creighton make more in ACC basketball next year than in the big east?
Will either of those schools be better off tying their fortunes to what could very well be a sinking ship as opposed to something that's going good? Uconn made that mistake once already, and I'm not sure the basketball schools want to deal with being in the tenuous position they were 10 years ago again.
It would be a hard sell for all parties, I think, especially due to the super long GoR and for the ACC, it would mean admitting failure at football, something I'm sure they're trying to avoid at least until the last one out turns off the lights."
 
CL82 said:
You have to appreciate BC's acceptance of the fact that it can't compete in major athletics and its only hope is to remain a parasite for as long as possible.
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It's dawning on Syracuse fans, too.

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