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BostonBay said:
How good is Oregon State really? Not on many people's radar before the season. They wont be ranked by end of year, imo.
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trisailin said:
Still 14 unbeaten teams. Last night, Colorado was able to hang on winning 96-70.

Tonight Oregon St. risks their unbeaten record taking on Utah St. I anticipate the game to be close through warm-ups!!
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The game itself is on Saturday night...and "risks"? When Oregon St goes up against that powerhouse Mountain West juggernaut Utah State with a lofty 2-6 record coupled with an RPI of 271 and an SOS 206...risk is not the word I would use, more like going to a bake sale. :rolleyes:
 
trisailin said:
Still 14 unbeaten teams. Last night, Colorado was able to hang on winning 96-70.

Tonight Oregon St. risks their unbeaten record taking on Utah St. I anticipate the game to be close through warm-ups!!
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Yeah, I watched the Colorado “nail biter.” By the end I half expected CU to put in the cheerleaders after clearing the bench.
 
trisailin said:
Could somebody point me to where it definitively says Massey uses the last 10 games? We know they start the season "priming the pump" with some data from last year - but I'm not aware of anything that specifically says "last 10 games".
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They don't eliminate the previous year results until a team plays 10 games. After that it uses every current year game. However, it weighs the more recent games more heavily and it gives added weight to games against higher rated teams. There is also what would be best described as a rule of diminishing returns. Beating 4 teams ranked 48-51 (average 50.5) is not rated as high as playing 4 teams ranked 1, 2, 98, 101 (average 50.5)

Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description
 
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Alydar said:
They don't eliminate the previous year results until a team plays 10 games. After that it uses every current year game. However, it weighs the more recent games more heavily and it gives added weight to games against higher rated teams. There is also what would be best described as a rule of diminishing returns. Beating 4 teams ranked 48-51 (average 50.5) is not rated as high as playing 4 teams ranked 1, 2, 98, 101 (average 50.5)

Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description
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But where does it say specifically that it's after 10 games that the previous year's results are eliminated?
 
Alydar said:
Instead of asking someone to explain a rather complicated algorithm I suggest interested posters should go to the site and read.

Massey Ratings Description
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I DID NOT ask somebody to explain how the math works (I'm an engineer and actually the math is really rather simple - lots of math, but simple math. If you wanted to, you could make a spreadsheet that does the math).

What I did ask, was where it says specifically 10 games. I looked at the links you provided, and either I still missed it, or it doesn't say that at all.
 
Still 14 unbeaten as of this morning

Today eight of them play:

NC St plays Elon
Kentucky plays Louisville
Texas Tech plays Houston Baptist
Florida St plays St. Johns
North Carolina plays Alabama
Kansas plays St Mary's CA
UCLA plays Pacific
Stanford plays Ohio St.
 
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With the losses of North Carolina and Kentucky, there are remaining 12 unbeaten teams.

Team​
Wins​
Arizona​
10​
Binghamton​
9​
Colorad​
9​
Connecticut​
8​
Florida St​
10​
Kansas​
9​
Loyola-Chicago​
8​
NC St​
10​
Oregon St​
9​
Stanford​
9​
Texas Tech​
7​
UCLA​
9​
 
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trisailin said:
With the losses of North Carolina and Kentucky, there are remaining 12 unbeaten teams.

Team​
Wins​
Arizona​
10​
Binghamton​
9​
Colorad​
9​
Connecticut​
8​
Florida St​
10​
Kansas​
9​
Loyola-Chicago​
8​
NC St​
10​
Oregon St​
9​
Stanford​
9​
Texas Tech​
7​
UCLA​
9​
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Five of the 13 are from PAC-12, including Colorado picked to finish last in conference but excluding one loss Oregon picked to finish first. Going undefeated at this stage in the mostly non-conference pre-season is an ego boost but more a reflection on your scheduling than in your actual prowess.
 
Review from the top:
1. Fraud-haven’t played ANYONE
2. See #1
3. See #1 and #2
4. Legitimate
5. Good but suspect due to some close games that shouldn’t have been. They have beaten 2 ranked teams (Mich St and TexasAM) and a good LSU team.
6. Fraud-see #1,2,3
7. Fraud-see 6 and add #6
8. Good beat Texas and a ranked Maryland and nothing else though
9. Legitimate
10. Legitimate
11. Fraud..need I type it?
12. Good. But they haven’t played ANYONE YET. Very disappointing of Cori on her scheduling....especially with Dean, Chou, Onyenwere and others on this team.
 
Re #5....actually only one game was close...beat St. Johns by four after being up by 15.

Beat TAMU by 22 and Michigan State by 10....have a 23.5 winning margin average.

I guess you could consider their next closest game....an 8 point win vs LSU "close"...but FSU pulled away with 8 unanswered points
 
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DefenseBB said:
Review from the top:
1. Fraud-haven’t played ANYONE
2. See #1
3. See #1 and #2
4. Legitimate
5. Good but suspect due to some close games that shouldn’t have been. They have beaten 2 ranked teams (Mich St and TexasAM) and a good LSU team.
6. Fraud-see #1,2,3
7. Fraud-see 6 and add #6
8. Good beat Texas and a ranked Maryland and nothing else though
9. Legitimate
10. Legitimate
11. Fraud..need I type it?
12. Good. But they haven’t played ANYONE YET. Very disappointing of Cori on her scheduling....especially with Dean, Chou, Onyenwere and others on this team.
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As I said, many of these unbeaten owe their status to scheduling but fraud is a bit much. The other team I root for, Colorado, isn’t even going to come close to going undefeated once PAC-12 season play starts, but those nine wins are the result of unexpected excellent play, thanks to exceptional performances from 1st and 2nd year players. But mostly these teams aren’t ranked, that’s where you could level fraud labels, I suppose, though why bother? Winning up to 10 games without a loss is still achievement, never mind the competition. It is, however, how you won those games that is important. And how Colorado won those games impressed me, though I still expect them to lose 10 games this year. Unless you have watched those games you really can’t judge. Is UConn a fraud because it plays in an extremely weak conference?
 
DefenseBB said:
Review from the top:
1. Fraud-haven’t played ANYONE
2. See #1
3. See #1 and #2
4. Legitimate
5. Good but suspect due to some close games that shouldn’t have been. They have beaten 2 ranked teams (Mich St and TexasAM) and a good LSU team.
6. Fraud-see #1,2,3
7. Fraud-see 6 and add #6
8. Good beat Texas and a ranked Maryland and nothing else though
9. Legitimate
10. Legitimate
11. Fraud..need I type it?
12. Good. But they haven’t played ANYONE YET. Very disappointing of Cori on her scheduling....especially with Dean, Chou, Onyenwere and others on this team.
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Binghamton plays Miami tomorrow
 
HuskyNan said:
Binghamton plays Miami tomorrow
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Ok, you intrigued me enough to go to Massey and look at Binghamton. Wow, they have played the worst collections of teams I have seen yet this year! 1 team rated below 200 (@Cornell at #181 and a 59-56 win), they play#56 Miami, then #172 Austin Peary and then ALL 300 ranked teams with some 200 sprinkled in. I encourage anyone to go and look. This team could have just 1 loss come March.
 
Dokey said:
As I said, many of these unbeaten owe their status to scheduling but fraud is a bit much. The other team I root for, Colorado, isn’t even going to come close to going undefeated once PAC-12 season play starts, but those nine wins are the result of unexpected excellent play, thanks to exceptional performances from 1st and 2nd year players. But mostly these teams aren’t ranked, that’s where you could level fraud labels, I suppose, though why bother? Winning up to 10 games without a loss is still achievement, never mind the competition. It is, however, how you won those games that is important. And how Colorado won those games impressed me, though I still expect them to lose 10 games this year. Unless you have watched those games you really can’t judge. Is UConn a fraud because it plays in an extremely weak conference?
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Colorado schedule is currently ranked 200 and given we are talking about “unbeaten” to imply “this team is good”, NO, Colorado is not good. Yes, they are young and yes next year they may be middle of the PAC but to schedule such an atrocious schedule and then for you to express dismay at my “fraud” claim is not logical. They will not make the NCAAT despite being 9-0 and probably 11-0 before conference play begins. That’s a phony 11-0 record as the best team BY FAR they beat was #94 Wisconsin. I stand by my fraud assertion. I will root for them in PAC12 play though as I want the most to be competitive. ;)
 
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DefenseBB said:
Colorado schedule is currently ranked 200 and given we are talking about “unbeaten” to imply “this team is good”, NO, Colorado is not good. Yes, they are young and yes next year they may be middle of the PAC but to schedule such an atrocious schedule and then for you to express dismay at my “fraud” claim is not logical. They will not make the NCAAT despite being 9-0 and probably 11-0 before conference play begins. That’s a phony 11-0 record as the best team BY FAR they beat was #94 Wisconsin. I stand by my fraud assertion. I will root for them in PAC12 play though as I want the most to be competitive. ;)
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Like me, I guess you watched, those 9 games, right, otherwise you wouldn’t give that evaluation. They will lose a lot of PAC-12 games. If they were in UConn’s conference they would battle for second, which I admit is not saying much.
 
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Dokey said:
So,

Like me, I guess you watched, those 9 games, right, otherwise you wouldn’t give that evaluation. They will lose a lot of PAC-12 games. If they were in UConn’s conference they would battle for second, which I admit is not saying much.
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Well, like I said, the Buffs schedule is pathetic and while the AAC is not good and USF may or may not make the Tournament from the American, at least they played a real OOC and would beat Colorado. If you want to say they are worthy, what proof do we have? Beating #94 Wisconsin as your best win? :confused: But yeah, they are worthy...NOT!
 
With Miami removing Binghamton yesterday, we are down to 11 unbeaten teams
Team​
Wins​
Arizona​
10​
Colorado​
9​
Connecticut​
9​
Florida St​
10​
Kansas​
9​
Loyola-Chicago​
9​
NC State​
10​
Oregon St​
9​
Stanford​
9​
Texas Tech​
8​
UCLA​
9​
 
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